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JD074 said:
NotreDameIrish said:
I dont think Sharks 40 yard time will be as important as that of other white Receivers...



The Reason being he Plays for Notre Dame
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That is incredibly optimistic. I've been way too disappointed way too often to be that hopeful.

If Mike Hass had been a ND Receiver,Hed have been top overall pick and probably gone on to be a HOFer
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even being white....

I'm sorry, but that's really hard to believe. Top overall pick? Really??





Yes i believe the Hype of Notre Dame football and its athletescan in partsuperceede the CasteSystem....If Mike Hass hadput up 80 catches for 1,300 yards at Notre Dame...Hed be on the pages of sports illustrated...constantly...and would have been a High First rounder for sure.


Take Zibby for an example.... there were a few games this year he did not play well in...il admit that.There was no calls for him to be replaced though...The Guy is still looked upon as a two sport(boxing and football) superstar...


If Zibby had played poorly as a white safety at any other college football powerin the country...Fans and media would be all over it calling for him to be benched after his first mistake.


Its just the effect Notre Dame has...If ND has a good player...The Country stands up to Notice and everyone wants a piece of him..no matter what colour he is.


I think any big time White Player would be mad not to go to a school which is WHITE friendly.
 

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well, Jeff already has 89 receiving yards including a big 51 yard catch for a TD. and that's with 8 minutes left in first quarter :D

John Carlson also had a TD catch, albeit a shortest possible one.Edited by: backrow
 

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Jeff ended up with 6 for 106 and the TD, and Carlson ended up with that 1 yard TD catch.
 

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So does anyone think Jeff's got a shot at the Bilitnikof Award or are the voters just going to succomb to the media love fest of Calvin Johnson and give it to him.
 

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He might have had a chance if he started off quicker.I don't see him winning it although lately he has been probably the best receiver in the nation over the last month or so.The most important thing is for him to continue putting up numbers and be selected high in the nfl draft.I would love to see Notre Dame make the national championship again too.
 

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Here is to hoping that the "Shark" will have a monster game tommorow in the biggest game of the year.He will be the main focus of the USC Secondary and will draw attention all day long.If he can still have a good game,it can go a long way to helping to get Jeff more respect from the scouts.Good luck to him and all of the rest of the "Fighting Irish".
 

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I've noticed that there are very few top white WRs that are under 6'3 other than Furrey. I omitted Curtis and Stockly b/c they don't start and have had let-down years. Jeff seems to fit the usual tall WR mold. I think If Hass were a mere 3 inches taller he would have been discriminated against less. Maybe Furrey and T. Gonzalez will change this unfortunate bias?
 

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ToughJ.Riggins said:
I've noticed that there are very few top white WRs that are under 6'3 other than Furrey. I omitted Curtis and Stockly b/c they don't start and have had let-down years. Jeff seems to fit the usual tall WR mold. I think If Hass were a mere 3 inches taller he would have been discriminated against less. Maybe Furrey and T. Gonzalez will change this unfortunate bias?

Furrey,with his great statistics, hopefully will have a starting spot for at least next year. Anthony Gonzalez,only because he runs a sub 4.3 40, will probably be the only other white WR under 6'3 to get a fair shot.
 

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I am predicting a big night for the Shark's final collegiate game tonight. I'll go with 7 catches for 143 yards and 2 TDs!
 

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whiteCB, he was certainly open enough for your prediction to come true, but Brady Quinn wasn't his normal self early on, and in the second half LSU all-but dared him to throw to Rhema McKnight.

even with all those problems, the Shark was still solid. he had 8 catches for an unusually low 59 yards and a touchdown. he had a chance at another TD but couldn't find the high-arching pass...

he was pretty much the ONLY Notre Dame threat in the passing game.
 

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after watching a few of the big Brady Quinn games Im convinced that while athletically as gifted as a college QB can get, he is just not accurate under pressure... that is a serious flaw for a QB and I dont think he will go that high in the draft because of it.
 

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I think Quinn will be a good QB at the next level. I just think they never adjusted to the defense. A FB should of been put back there for pass protection. He has all you want from a QB, he makes good reads and goes through progressions but when your constantly pressured you will make some bad decisions. His career numbers are pretty good still though.
 

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in the LSU game he could have positioned himself better for the scramble and should have run the ball a few times sooner. He had the speed to make things happen, he did not make those types of decisions that could have taken some pressure off of the short passes.
 

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The Shark is happy with his decision to concentrate solely on baseball. Note the stereotyping I've highlighted, adhering to the Caste System rule that a white receiver can only be compared to other white receivers never black ones. At least he didn't mention Ricky Proehl:


Samardzija really liked football, loves baseball


Josh Robbins | Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted April 17, 2007


DAYTONA BEACH -- At least one TV in the Daytona Cubs' clubhouse always is tuned to SportsCenter, and at 6:10 one recent night, the show spent a few minutes talking about the New York Jets' needs in the upcoming NFL draft.

Jeff Samardzija didn't even perk up. He was on a leather couch on the opposite end of the clubhouse, surrounded by teammates. He didn't hear the back-and-forth on who the Jets should select with the 25th overall pick.

The Jets could use a wide receiver. They might have wanted to pick Samardzija, who set all kinds of receiving records during a four-year career at Notre Dame.

But he has moved on: Samardzija has given up football to play baseball. Now a full-time pitcher, he's scheduled to start his third game this season Wednesday night at Jackie Robinson Ballpark.

"There's something more to baseball than any other sport that brings something special out when people go to watch games and go to play games," Samardzija said. "It's just like being a kid. That's baseball. You're just being a kid every day of your life, and I think that's what everyone loves about it."

Samardzija, 22, says he feels at peace with his choice. It's other people who won't let it go.

In January, he and the Cubs agreed to a five-year $10 million deal. The team holds options for sixth and seventh seasons in 2012 and '13 that could give Samardzija an additional $6.5 million.

Ever since, instead of saying, "Congratulations," people have asked him why he'd leave football for baseball. His fans know him most for his football exploits, not his 21-6 record in three seasons as a Notre Dame baseball player.

In each of the two games he's pitched this year, fans have come to the games wearing his No. 83 Notre Dame football jersey.

"It just came down eventually to what I wanted to do more, what I wanted to do every day for the rest of my life," he said.

At 6 feet 5 and with a fastball that has topped out around 98 mph, Samardzija looks fearsome when he pitches. Cubs officials think he could become a front-of-the-rotation starter in the majors.

"His stuff's electric," said Daytona Cubs Manager Jody Davis, a former all-star catcher with the Cubs.

Baseball America ranks him as the fourth-best prospect in the Cubs' organization. The Cubs like Samardzija so much they gave him a long look in the big-league camp during spring training and granted him a no-trade clause in his contract.

"I think the guy is the most self-confident, fearless competitor that I've ever coached in my life," said former Notre Dame baseball coach Paul Mainieri, now in his first season as coach at LSU. "Whether or not that comes from his experiences in football, I don't know"

For Mainieri, one moment stands out. When Samardzija started against Michigan as a freshman, he loaded the bases with no outs on three consecutive walks. Mainieri thought he'd have to bring in a reliever but decided against it after a visit to the mound.

"I could just tell after talking to him that he was in total control, that he was going to find a way to get out of it," Mainieri said.

Samardzija allowed one run, and the Fighting Irish went on to win 7-3.

When Notre Dame hired Charlie Weis as its football coach after the 2004 season, Mainieri told Weis the story. Samardzija went on to catch 155 passes and score 28 touchdowns his final two seasons.

"When it was a crucial time, Jeff wanted the ball and Jeff would go get the ball," said Peter Vaas, Notre Dame's quarterbacks coach in 2005 and '06 and now Duke's offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach.


Vaas, also a former head coach in NFL Europe, compares Samardzija to wide receivers Ed McCaffrey and Brian Finneran -- tall players with outstanding hands, great body control and good, but not outstanding, speed.

Vaas said Samardzija had enough ability to be a first-round NFL draft pick and, at the minimum, would have been picked on the first day.


"He had a choice to make between a sport he loved since he was 2 and another one where he established a lot of notoriety for himself," Vaas said. "If the most difficult thing in your life is making a choice to get a lot of money to play baseball or a lot of money to play football, you've got a pretty good life."

The most recent college football star to give up the sport and play baseball full time was Michigan quarterback Drew Henson. In 2001 he signed a six-year $17 million contract with the New York Yankees, but the third baseman struggled during his time in the minors and eventually returned to football in 2004.

Cubs officials feel far more optimistic about Samardzija, though they won't put a timetable on how fast Samardzija will move up through their system. They want him to improve his control, his slider and, in particular, his changeup.

In a few of his seven minor-league starts last season, and in one of his two starts already this season, he has been too hyped-up in the first inning. Sometimes that's led to early walks.

"When the time is right, he'll dominate," said Oneri Fleita, the Cubs' director of player development. "He'll make it known when he should move. . . . He just needs to go out and pitch and he just needs to make sure that little kid in him stays with him."

Samardzija does look like he's having a good time.

When the clubhouse boom box belted out hip-hop music last Friday, he did a little dance. When a new shipment of wooden bats arrived, he peered inside the box, looking like a little kid opening a Christmas present.

"I just love coming to the park every day," he said. "To me, that's what it's all about. It's not a job to me. It's not a career. To me, it's about having fun and enjoying what I've been doing for a long time."


[url]http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/local/orl-samardzija17 07apr17,0,6668782.story?page=1&track=rss [/url]
 

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Thats typecasting if I ever saw it. Not outstanding speed? Yeah, and I'm Bill Clinton.
 

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I guess all those black UCLA cornnerbacks and safeties he juked and blew by in that miracle comeback in South Bend are even slower than he is. It never ends.
 

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Ed McCaffrey was fast. Ed MCaffrey was outstandingly fast in spite of the horrendously innaccurate and negative observations of his speed and ability that were made by broadcast commentators during his career. He was timed at 4.38 (more than once) for the 40 yard dash by the San Diego Chargers. McCaffrey and his wife (daughter of Olympic sprinter Dave Sime) were not happy about his being wrongly labeled as slow and spoke about it in a feature article on McCaffrey in the Nov. 30, 1998 issue of Sports Illustrated.
 

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I had no idea Ed McCaffrey was that fast. I always figured he was faster than the media gave him credit for but a 4.38 forty. Wow!
 

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Vindicator said:
Ed McCaffrey was fast. Ed MCaffrey was outstandingly fast in spite of the horrendously innaccurate and negative observations of his speed and ability that were made by broadcast commentators during his career. He was timed at 4.38 (more than once) for the 40 yard dash by the San Diego Chargers. McCaffrey and his wife (daughter of Olympic sprinter Dave Sime) were not happy about his being wrongly labeled as slow and spoke about it in a feature article on McCaffrey in the Nov. 30, 1998 issue of Sports Illustrated.

You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that article to post would ya? Also DAMN!! I didn't know Ed was that fast.
 

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I know McCaffrey was a consistent 4.40 guy. And I also know he was consistently ridiculed for not being fast. I also know he would have made the Hall of Fame had he been allowed to start in his first or second season like talented black receivers are, rather than having to wait until his eighth season to start.
 

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The Shark is really struggling in minor league ball. I wonder if he has an escape clause in his contract that allows him to play pro football. A couple items from Draft Daddy:


(from 5/22) Baseball News: Former Notre Dame All-American wide receiver Jeff Samardzija was absolutely hammered tonight in a class A-Game -- 9 hits & 7 earned runs in 1.2 innings.


DD.com Comments: As we noted many times before, the Shark's move to baseball never made a once of sense to us, other than the Cubs wanting to piggy back on his Notre Dame fame. Again, he was a solid pitcher in a very mediocre Big East baseball conference, while he was a superstar in football. Check 5/19's blog notes for more of our opinions on this.
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(from 5/19) Checking in with former Notre Dame wide receiver Jeff Samardzija, who is already 0-2 with the Daytona Cubs.


DD.com Comment: While it's way too early to judge how he'll fare in baseball, we still think the Shark was a much better football prospect. He was just a good pitcher (4.33 ERA) in a very mediocre Big East baseball conference in 2006. Meanwhile, he was a two-time All-American at the highest level of college football and one of the first players invited to the Senior Bowl and Combine.


If you objectively look at the facts/stats from his playing days at Notre Dame, all signs pointed to him having a much better chance to excel in football. We still wonder why so few people pointed this out? Perhaps it's because Jeff "looks the part" of a Major League pitcher much more than he does a N.F.L. wide receiver, so most in the media felt his choice to pursue baseball was simply a "no-brainer". To us, it was questionable, at best, as he would've likely been a starter in the N.F.L. early in his career.


P.S: We have one question for all the Cubs fans that wrote to us after he jumped to baseball in January and told us it was a very wise choice for Samardzija to shun football because he wouldn't get seriously injured playing baseball and could pitch with the Cubs until he was 45: What are former Cubs pitching prodigy's Mark Prior and Kerry Wood up to this season?


 

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The Browns should just sign the Shark and entice him with enough money so he quits baseball. Still upsets me that he did not go the football route.
 

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Leonardfan said:
The Browns should just sign the Shark and entice him with enough money so he quits baseball. Still upsets me that he did not go the football route.

same here. maybe Quinn could talk him into coming back to football!
 
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