Jacob Hester, RB

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  1. whiteathlete33

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    It's surprising they haven't told Gerhart to put on 20 lbs to around 250 and become a human battering ram. I'm guessing his 4.53 Combine time saved him from that fate. One thing I'll admit is that Hester is slightly slower than the average running back. His 40 time is around a 4.63. I'm thinking that's what is holding him back.
     
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    Kaptain great analysis. Ahman Green was a Packer back who finally showed that. But our caste whore media want to see dancing.
     
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    Ultra-fragile Ryan Matthews left yesterday's game in crutches, while Mike Tolbert suffered a concussion, which forced the Chargers to actually use Hester at running back. Unless Tolbert's concussion is very mild he'll likely miss at least one game. But San Diego's bye is this week, so Hester probably won't be used much in Week 7.
     
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    yeah, they announced it's a mild one, he will be back by next time.
     
  6. dwid

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    Hester looks ready to play tailback though, he doesn't looked beefed up like in year's past, maybe he realized he should be running the ball with the recent success of Hillis. He was kind of naive coming into the NFL, willing to play any position. Looks like he has been waiting for this opportunity.

    His 4.63 is around the same time Mark Ingram ran, and people raved on about how Ingram had the fastest 10 yard split "which is the thing that really matters", Ingram's 10 yard split was 1.54, Hester's is 1.5 even. Shonn Greene ran a 4.64, Blount runs a 4.7. He is more versatile than all of those guys and shiftier than Greene and Ingram. Blount is pretty shifty or a bigger guy but like Greene, he can't catch. With guys like Greene, Blount, Lawfirm etc having success not to mention Wells 4.58, Moreno 4.62 and Ingram 4.62 being 1st rounders , I would say the average 40 time is closer to 4.6 than 4.5 right now.

    Mike Tolbert is averaging 2.9 ypc and Matthews is doing the same thing he did in college, showing a few flashes before getting injured.
     
  7. Fundamentally sound

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    I hope he does not get screwed, however, judging by his past amount of playing time it looks like he might. It seems like they always find someone else to put in. I just don't think the coaching staff views him as "the guy"; instead they view him as a third down back at best. I really hope I'm wrong.
     
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    Ryan Matthews is probably out for this Sunday's game against the Pack, don't know if this will help Jacob get some carries or touches.

    Brinkey the affletetic replacement 2011 10 att 4.3 avg
    Hester the "Fullback" 2011 15 att 4.1 avg but no breakdown on how many short yardage attempts against the loaded box were in these stats
     
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    Brinkley promptly got injured during his first extended NFL playing time (concussion). The Chargers are trying to get Tolbert up to speed to carry the load on Sunday. I've yet to see Hester mentioned anywhere as getting some carries and he likely won't unless Tolbert goes down during the game and he becomes the team's embarrassing "emergency" back until one of the blacks ones gets healthy.
     
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    Caste abiding coach, Norv Turner (who must be one of the worst and least creative coaches of my lifetime), will never allow Hester to be a primary ball-carrier. The fact he uses Mike Tolbert, a true fullback type, to tote the rock instead of him speaks volumes. SD's GM Smith is or was like Chicago's GM Angelo in that he will draft White players. However, their coaches both refuse to use these guys. :crazy:
     
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    Hopefully a miracle happens and Hester is allowed to carry the ball. Same with Leonard, then it will make up for the injury issues Hillis going through. If Hester shows some flashes and Hillis can play the last few games of the season and next year it will be much easier or guys like Burkhead and Line to get a legit shot.
     
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    Freethinker, I believe comparing A.J. Smith and Jerry Angelo is solid. Both seem to be about the same age (cut their teeth in the NFL in the '70's) and don't mind drafting the best available players, regardless of race. They are both reviled by the DWF's in their respective cities because their coaches have a tendency not to play many of their top picks (mostly the white ones). Chargers also have another negative -- with Smith getting older and close to retiring, supreme caste clown Randy Mueller was brought in to take away some of his work load, so the Chargers have gotten darker (and worse on the field) since he came in a few ago. Still, they are better to watch and follow than the Bears under Hatie Smiff, who at times have only started 2 or 3 whites.

    By the way, I looked Tolbert up recently. While Hester was gaining over 1,100 yards and leading LSU to a national title, Tolbert was splitting carries at 'super power' Coastal Carolina and had a career high of 700 yards as a senior. He ran fairly poorly at his pro day so he went undrafted and was supposed to be purely a NFL blocker for guys like Hester. But, as we know so well, none of that (talent, college production, speed) really matters, as Tolbert possesses the right look to run the ball in the NFL, while Hester does not.
     
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    That right there is the quintessential example to explain the caste system to a DWF. I hope everyone will use this information in their next "debate" with one of our less enlightened brothers.
     
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    I watched most of this game yesterday, and to me, the Chargers use of Tolbert is interesting to say the least. He's not a terrible back, but is much more a prototypical blocking/short yardage/safety valve fullback than a tailback. As a tailback, sure, he's got a decent burst and is tough to bring down one-on-one, but he has no speed or other "black tailback" qualities beyond that. He averages around 4 YPC and is normally not a threat to break off a big run.

    Hester, playing at his proper weight, is all of these and more, but lacks the proper melanin concentration. Early in the game, Hester dropped an easy pass in the flat, and I knew right then and there that we wouldn't see much of him for the rest of the game. There is very little margin for error for white skill players.
     
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    I got some of this game as well. It was just so ass backward to see Tolbert at RB while the obviously more " prototypical " RB Hester was lead blocking for him.
     
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    FTR; Hester according to Milwaukee's paper leads the ProBowl voting for the AFC FB, but of course FB being an afterthought since he has 100,000 some votes to Mr. Giselle who has 1,100,000 votes.
     
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    It looks like Jacob Hester is going to be the most screwed of the triumvirate of white running backs that have REALLY been screwed by the system. Peyton Hillis, Toby Gerhart, and Jacob Hester, are the three most talented running backs (maybe Brian Leonard is another) that actually played at major colleges and excelled to the point that pro teams were virtually forced to draft them.

    Hillis and now Gerhart have been given an opportunity, Hillis by virtue of the (Don Wassall named) 'Hillis curse', the uncanny ability to be on teams where all of the other black running backs on his team managed to get themselves injured and/or play so badly that even a white guy is given a chance. And who knows we may be talking about the "Gerhart curse" soon.

    Hester, oddly enough, probably should have had the best chance of any of them. Starring at an SEC school and helping them to a national championship should have been a springboard to a good shot at a pro gig but he was drafted behind LaDainian Tomlinson, supposedly as his back up, but Tomlinson was soon gone and Hester has been given absolutely NO opportunity to run for San Diego.

    He out of the three mentioned was the LEAST capable of being bulked up to be a human battering ram that is the modern life of a fullback. So Hester has been set up for failure. Of course he has done a great job with the bad breaks he has been given but that is typical of any white athlete that has negotiated the racial mine field from peewee thru high school thru college thru pros.

    Unfortunately at this point in his career he has been permanently stamped with the label 'fullback' and that is usually a curse that no white man can dodge (see Alstott, Mike).
     
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    Jaxvid, what really sucks is not only did he NOT replace LT, he's currently not even the 2nd or 3rd running option in the Chargers offense. The 2nd and 3rd options are recent undrafted free agents, while the Chargers traded away picks in order to move up into round three so they could select Jacob. Does this make any sense at all?

    Tolbert wasn't even a feature back at Coastal Carolina (a mediocre FCS team) and never even came close to rushing for 1,000 yards in college. Hester is a better athlete, rushes for over 1,100 yards and 12 TD's for a FBS National Championship team and he's blocking for this fat slob?...The other guy, Brinkley, looks like he's 5' 3", 150 pounds soaking wet and is nothing special.

    The DWF's should consider Hester a "wasted pick", but the Caste media has probably convinced them that Hester is a great blocker, special teamer and awesome "locker room guy", so they wont see it that way. But my bet is undrafted P-squader Billy Latsko could do the same things at fullback (or better) if he had to block for Hester as the feature back.

    You are correct about Hester being sterotyped as a FB by now and it's likely he'll never get a chance to run the ball much, barring a rash of injuries. Only guy I can think of in the last 20 years that went from a "total blocking dummy" to an occasional runner was Bob Christian of the Falcons. He never became "the man" at running back, but Dan Reeves did give him a moderate amount of touches (running/rec) at the very end of his career -- from about 1999 to 2001?
     
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    Nice recall of Bob Christian, Truthteller. Even after many years of being a beefed up human battering ram Christian could still run well. 2001 was his best season statistically, 44 rushes for 284 yards -- a very healthy 6.4 average per run -- and 45 catches for 392 yards, giving him close to 700 yards from scrimmage in his tenth season. The systematic underuse of White fullbacks going back decades is a disgrace, as most of them were/are fully capable of being effective power backs.

    Hester's miscasting brings to mind Scott Greene, who was a very good running back for Michigan State in the mid-90s with very nimble feet who was forced to try to become a blocking fullback for Carolina. He didn't have the genetics to bloat into the desired 260 pound size for the position and so had a short and very forgettable NFL career because no team would use him as the tailback he was.
     
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    Don, I remember Greene real well. I think I even have his rookie card**, which is no doubt as worthless as Tommy Vardell's?

    The opposite of Christian (who got to run a bit when he was over 30), of course, was Brad Hoover who carried the ball with some frequency due to injuries as a young back and did well -- had a 100 yard on MNF @ the Packers in 2001. But he finished his long career as nothing more than a battering ram blocker for legends like Nick Goings....Christian, Greene and Hoover all really began their careers with the Panthers.

    It will be interesting to see what Hester does going forward. Amazingly, the useless caste-clown Norv Turner will return next season, at the same time he becomes a free agent. I wish he'd go out there and try to find a new team in hopes of getting more touches, but I really doubt he will. He seems sort of meek-- unlike Hillis and Gerhart who fought to not be typecaste (sic). Him and Brian Leonard are the type of white sheep the Marxist in the NFL and the media love. Don't be surprised if Jacob and Brian eventually become anti-white, caste-clown broadcasters at some level -- i.e Hoge, Ricthie and the turd-like Moose, who loves to bash whites.


    ** http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards/Football/1998/Topps/92/Scott_Greene/884293
     
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    Truthteller, your memory retention ability is truly impeccable, although I believe the Monday Night Football game you mentioned actually occurred late in the 2000 season (November) instead of 2001.

    I was around 15 years old at the time, and in my mind’s eye I can still see then-rookie running back, Brad Hoover, gashing the Packers’ Chocolate-Chump defense that night. That game certainly marked the first time that I’d ever witnessed a white running back start an NFL game (although Hoover did start the week before against Minnesota, he didn’t get nearly the amount of touches). The Panthers starting running back, Tim Biakabutuka, was injured again that night. What was also interesting about that game was that white fullback, Chris Hetherington, was blocking for Hoover as he amassed 117 rushing yards with 1 rushing TD on 24 carries, as well as 41 receiving yards on 3 catches.

    Notice how lean and muscular Hoover was as a rookie…you know, prior to being forced to utterly transform his frame into a racially-suitable battering-ram so that inferior athletes of African descent could accrue their requisite glory…

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    Here are some interesting quotes on Hoover after the game…

    [Translation: “I’m an unathletic, self-loathing white-boy who merely got lucky tonight. I’ve risen above my Caste in life, and for this I apologize.”]


    [Hoover is white, and played well against an all-black defense…so he must be discredited immediately.]

    [If Hoover were black, you’d be dead right, Muhammad]

    [And Biakabutuka is some sort of speed maven? Yeah, right. Thanks for the kind words, though, you ignorant, self-abhorring white peckerhead.]
     
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    You are correct Thrashen, that 117 yard night @ GB happened in the fall of 2000, which was his rookie season. He got a fair amount of carries the week prior to GB and the week after, accumulating about 240 yards in 3 weeks. He ran for only 290 his entire rookie year! The next three seasons, he rarely ran and never gained more than 33 yards rushing in a single game. I was surprised (no shocked) to see that he ran for 63 and 99 yards in consecutive weeks in 2004. So, about 400 of his 961 career rushing yards came in just 5 games (3 in 2000 & 2 in 2004). It must be noted, Hoover played/started for 10 full seasons -- that's over 150 games.

    Ironic tie in with Hester: One of the reasons the DWF's didn't fully embrace Hoover as a anything more than a blocker was because he was a 6', 240 pound undrafted free agent from Western Carolina. After all, how can a "bulky", undrafted kid from a 1-aa school run the ball regularly in the NFL? But they seem to have no problem embracing a chubby 5' 9", 250 pound undrafted free agent from Coastal Carolina getting tons of carries with the Chargers these days (Tolbert).


    Here's a recent photo of the "svelte" Tolbert dancing:
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    J. B. Cash wrote an excellent column on Hoover and White RBs called "Hoover and the Great Depression" during Hoover's brief "emergency" usage in 2004, but alas it was one of the Cash articles replaced by spam on the previous site due to security holes that allowed spammers to partially hack it.
     
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    With the injury of Matthews the Chargers said they wouuld go rbbc, you think Hester's name would be in there? nope. At the top of thed list was Ronnie Brown, yeah he is a little washed up, but more understanble than LeRon McClain, the bigger fullback who runs a 4.88 (might as well be 4.9) and Curtis Brinkley, the UDFA that is 205 pounds and surprise, runs a slower 40 yard dash than Hester at 4.63, almost a 5 second 20 yard shuttle (4.77, 15 offensive linemen ran faster than this year) and 7.33 3 cone drill (9 offensive linemene have run faster). This was at a pro day, so his 40 would be around a 4.7 at least had it been at the combine.

    I mean Hester has been in the league for 4 years now, which gives him benefits later in life, he should have a good amount of money just in case something were to happen but it couldn't hurt his job that much to speak up and ask for the ball more with the roster they have.
     
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    I remember Hoover was a block of granite who was a steady downhill runner in those games that he started. He could have been the proverbial "Bell Cow" type back for the Panthers. I wonder what happened during the off season did management imply that he couldn't compete for the starting tailback job or did they tell him that he had the starting fullback job and he would be in the mix as an emergency tailback. If you look through the stats Carolina didn't have dominant year from the tailback until Steven Davis about 3 years later and then he was injured himself the following year. Sad waste of his talent as he could have been a 2000 era version of Mark Van Eeghan.
     

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