Italian Serie A 2015-16

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  1. ThePhilosopher

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    This is some way to start this thread.What a free-kick by Marcus Alonso of Fiorentina(against AC Milan):

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  2. frederic38

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    a first defeat for juventus' first game, this season may be very interesting
    juventus started 3 french blacks
    but evra is unlikely to start this season because they bought a non white brazilian fullback who is very hyped

    also this season, don't miss pogba in pirlo's role:

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  3. Matra2

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    They just said on TV before the Arsenal v Liverpool match that Balotelli has been sent back to Milan. Even with Liverpool paying half his wages why would Milan want him back? At Liverpool he had four goals. One in the EPL, one goal in Champions League, one goal in Europa League, and one goal in either the FA or Capital One Cup - I can't recall which. It's almost unbelievable that anyone outside of MLS still wants him.
     
  4. Porthos

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    On Saturday, August 22 Seria A season 2015/16 started with the game Verona- Roma 1:1. As a summary from the 2014/15 season, here is how it ended:


    Chanpion: Juventus (4rd title in a row)
    Champion's League spots: Roma, Lazio (qualifications against Bayer Leverkusen, Lazio won first round 1:0 at home)
    Europa League spots: Fiorentina, Napoli, Sampdoria (qualifications lost against Vojvodina/Serbia)
    Relegated to Serie B: Cesena, Parma, Cagliari
    Promoted from Serie B: Carpi, Frosinone, Bologna

    Seria A teams continue to struggle financially to compete for talents with teams from the Premier League and La Liga, but nevertheless they were the most successful league in European competitions behind La Liga (Juventus was a CL finalist, Napoli and Fiorentina semi-finalist in Europa League), so they must be doing something right, even with relatively limited resources.

    The favorites for winning the title are the usual suspects. Juventus this year seems to be significantly weaker with the departure of Tevez, Vidal and Pirlo. Napoli, Roma and Inter are possible competitors. I personally see Inter as stronger than last year, while the first two contenders (Roma and Napoli) somewhat weaker. Milan in my opinion is not yet at the level where they could attack the scudetto title, while Fiorentina has a good team and could be a surprise. Lazio is also a possible surprise. The main Europa League candidates are with Sampdoria and a possible surprise (in my opinion) Sassuolo. This year there are some really small teams in Serie A - Carpi and Frosinone - which are prime candidates for the relegation together with Empoli which lost some of their best players to bigger teams and Chievo.

    Racially, the league is still overwhelmingly White (83.6%) and is actually slightly whiter than last year (when it was 82.7% White). A significant presence of Blacks and Arabs is mostly due to transfers via France which has become a main entry point for these "talent pools" in the whole of Europe. At this point (the transfer market is opened until September 2 and there are many transfer deals still in progress) it seems almost certain that everybody's favorite player - Mario Balotelli - is coming back to AC Milan, so at least we'll know who we will NOT be supporting this year.
    Financially the league is still reeling from last year's bankrupcy of Parma, and there are several teams who are not in a good position (Genova, for example). As elsewhere in Europe, concentration of wealth in 1-2 teams (in this case - Juventus) is in progress, while smaller teams are struggling. The value of existing teams player assets increased by some 8% (from 2.186 M euros in 2014 to 2.360), either through new acquisitions or through the increase of existing players value.


    Below is the breakdown and numbers.


    569 players (-26 vs last year)
    302 Foreigners (53%) -10 vs. last year, percentage-wise roughly the same.

    Of these, the racial breakdown is:
    Whites 83.63% (+0.9%)
    Blacks 11.8%
    Arabs 2.11%
    Amerindians/Mesitsos
    1.94%
    Asians 0.53%

    % of Whites by team as of August 22:
    Empoli 96.15
    Frosinone 92.59
    Atalanta 90.32
    Bologna 90
    Chievo 90
    Fiorentina 89.29
    Verona 89
    Sassuolo 88.89
    Sampdoria 89.66
    Palermo 86.67
    Juventus 85.2
    Torino 85.19
    Carpi 81.48
    Lazio 78.13
    Genova 77.78
    Napoli 75.86
    Milan 74.19
    Inter 74.07
    Udinese 73.33
    Roma 65.38



    Breakdown team-by-team in detail:
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    Juventus - value - 370M Euros +31M vs last
    year - 27 Players, Foreigners 16 (59%), Whites 85% (+9%), Blacks 15% (unchanged)

    Blacks 4
    Patrice Evra (France)
    Paul Pogba (France)
    Kwadwo Asamoah (Ghana)
    Kingsley Coman (France)

    Notable arrivals:
    Mario Mandzukic (Athletico), Simone Zazza (Sassuolo), Neto
    (Fiorentina), Paulo Dybala (Palermo), Daniele Rugani
    (Empoli), Sami Khedira (Real Madrid)
    Notable Departures:
    Carlos Tevez (Boca Juniors), Arturo Vidal (Bayern Munich), Andrea Pirlo (MLS)

    Possible Team (New players in Capitals):
    4-3-1-2
    Buffon
    Lichsteiner-Bonucci-Chiellini-De Ceglie
    KHEDIRA-Marchisio-Pogba
    DYBALA
    MANDZUKIC-Morata


    Even though they are the main favorites to win Serie A, they seem to be weaker this year than last. They are still negotiating for the black Colombian Juan Cuadrado (Striker, Chelsea) and Alex Sandro (black Brazilian Left Back from Porto), which seem to be likely arrivals, raising the black percentage. They are lacking first and foremost in creativity, and the experiment with Pogba (mr. 100 Million) as a play-maker is likely to be a failure.
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    Napoli - 266M Euros (unchanged) - 29 Players, Foreigners
    21
    (74%), Whites 76% (-8%), Blacks 17% (+7%), Arabs 7% (+4%)
    Blacks 5
    Khalidou Koulibaly (France)
    Allan (Brazil)
    Camilo Zuniga (Colombia)
    Jonathan De Gouzman (Netherlands)
    Nicolao Dumitru (Italy)

    Arabs 2
    Faouzi Ghoulam (France)
    Omar El Khadouri (Morocco)

    Notable arrivals:
    Pepe Reina (Bayern Munich), Vlad Chiriches (Tottenham),
    Mirko Valdifiori (Empoli)

    Notable departures:
    -

    Possible Team:
    4-3-3
    REINA
    Maggio-CHIRICHES-Albiol-HYSAJ
    ALLAN-VALDIFIORI-Hamsik
    Callejon-Higuain-Gabbiadini

    Napoli is a possible contender for the scudetto, has an impressive attack and a solid middlefield, but their problem (as last year) is a relatively weak and unproven defence. I doubt they can have a shot at the title. I see them as a possible contender for a CL place.
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    Roma - 260M Euros (-6M), 27 players, Foreigners 22 (82%),
    Whites 62% (-8%), Blacks 26%(+11%), Arabs 4%(-2%), Asians
    4%
    (unch.), Amerindians 4% (+4%)
    Blacks 7
    Antonio Rudiger (Germany)
    Elio Caparadossi (Italy)
    Ashley Cole (England)
    Maicon (Brazil)
    Seydou Keita (France)
    Gervinho (Ivory Coast)
    Victor Ibarbo (Colombia)

    Arabs 1
    Mohammed Salah (Egypt)

    Asians 1
    Radja Nainggolan (Belgium)

    Amerindians 1
    Juan Iturbe (Paraguay)

    Notable Arrivals:
    Wojciech Szczesny (Arsenal), Edin Dzeko (Manchester City)

    Notable departures:
    Andrea Bertolacci (AC Milan), Alessio Romagnoli (AC Milan)

    Possible Team:
    4-3-3
    SZCZESNY
    Florenzi-Manolas-Castan-Torosidis
    Nainggolan-De Rossi-Pjanic
    IAGO FALQUE-DZEKO-SALAH

    Roma is the least White team in Serie A. Their main problem will be replacing Francesco Totti, which will probably only play sporadically this year. On paper a strong team, in reality I am not really convinced their trio of strikers will be able to deliver. Contender for a CL place.
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    Inter Milan - 225M (-34M), 27 players, 20 foreigners
    (74%),
    Whites 75% (+2%), Blacks 19% (+4%), Asians 4% (unch),
    Arabs
    4% (+4%)
    Blacks 5
    Miranda (Brazil)
    Juan Jesus (Brazil)
    Geoffrey Kondogbia (France)
    Fredy Guarin (Colombia)
    Jonathan Biabiany (France)

    Asians 1
    Yuto Nagatomo (Japan)

    Arabs 1
    Saphir Taider (Algeria)

    Notable Arrivals
    Stevan Jovetic (Man City), Miranda (Athletico), Geoffrey
    Kondogbia (Monaco), Martin Montoia (Barcelona)

    Notable departures:
    Mateo Kovacic (Real Madrid), Podolski (Galatasaray),
    Shaquiri (Stoke City)

    Possible Team:
    4-3-1-2
    Handanovic
    MONTOYA-MIRANDA-MURILLO-D'Ambrosio
    Guarin-Medel-KONDOGBIA
    Hernanes
    Icardi-Palacio

    Inter seems to be Juve's the main rival this year, at least this is my opinion. Very strong attacking duo from Argentina, and solid defense. The middlefield with Kondogbia looks flaky though. Likely CL place, possible Scudetto candidate.
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    AC Milan - 199M Euros (-7M), 31 players, 13 foreigners
    (42%), Whites 74% (+4%), Blacks 23% (+8%), Asians 3%
    (unch)
    Blacks 7
    Cristian Zapata (Brazil)
    Alex (Brazil)
    Nigel De Jong (Netherlands)
    Nnamdi Odumandi (Nigeria)
    Carlos Bacca (Columbia)
    Luiz Adriano (Brazil)
    M'Baye Niang (France)

    Asians 1
    Keisuke Honda (Japan)

    Notable Arrivals:
    Carlos Bacca (Sevilla), Andrea Bertolacci (Roma), Alessio
    Romagnoli (Roma), Alessio Cerci (Atletico)

    Notable Departures:
    Pazzini (Verona), El Sharawy (Monaco)

    Possible Team:
    4-3-1-2
    Diego Lopez
    Abate-ROMAGNOLI-Mexes-Antonelli
    Montolivo-DeJong-BERTOLACCI
    Bonaventura
    Menez-BACCA

    At the moment of this writing, it seems that Mario Balotelli will be joining them (paid mostly by Liverpool). It doesn't look good. Pippo Inzaghi was building a team made mostly of young Italians and the project was looking promising. The new coach - Sinisa Mihajlovic - seems to be poised to undo most of that work. Balottelli was probably brought in on a loan because he's cheap (most of his pay will be paid by Liverpool). The new partial owner - Mr. Bee (the Chinese-Thai businessman) has not brought the money they expected from him and most of the transfers were done with the money from Silvio Berlusconi. Also, Milan's new partnership with Doyen Sperts - a financial speculator company buying and selling players (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...artnership-with-doyen-sports-raises-questions ) doesn't look promising. EL place contender.
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    Lazio 180M Euros (+32M) - 32 players, foreigners 25 (78%),
    Whites 78% (+2%), Blacks 13% (-5%), Amerindians 6%(unch),
    Arabs 3% (+3%)
    Blacks 4
    Edson Braafheid (Netherlands)
    Moustapha Seck (Senegal)
    Ogenyi Onazi (Nigeria)
    Keita Balde (Senegal)

    Amerindians 2
    Ricardo Kishna (Netherlands)
    Felipe Anderson (Brazil)

    Arabs 1
    Abdoulay Konko (France)

    Notable Arrivals:
    Dusan Basta (Udinese)

    Notable Departures:
    -

    Possible Team:
    4-3-3
    Marchetti
    BASTA-Gentiletti-De Vrij-Radu
    Cataldi-Biglia-Parolo
    Candreva-Klose-Anderson

    Lazio looks good this year, although one of their best players, the Argentinian Biglia - got injured and will be out for a long time. What raises questions is the age of their best striker - Klose - who is getting old. The qualification to CL could bring in a nice treasure with which they could further reinforce the team. Possible contender for the CL place, together with Juve, Inter and Fiorentina - possible surprise Scudetto candidate.

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    Fiorentina - 121M Euro (-83M), 28 players, 21 foreigners
    (75%), Whites 89% (+10%), Blacks 7% (unch), Amerindians 3%
    (-3%)
    Blacks 2
    Gilberto (Brazil)
    Khouma Babacar (Senegal)

    Amerindians 1
    Jose Maria Basanta (Mexico)

    Notable Arrivals:
    Mario Suarez (Atletico), Nikola Kalinic (Dnipro), Astori
    (Roma)

    Notable Departures:
    Neto (Juventus), Salah (Roma), Savic (Atletico), Mario
    Gomez
    (Besiktas)

    Possible Team:
    4-3-3
    SEPE
    GILBERTO-Rodriguez-ASTORI-Pasqual
    Mati Fernandez-SUAREZ-Borja Valero
    Joaquin-KALINIC-Ilicic

    Fiorentina looks really good this year, even though their team is worth less then last year. I am venturing to say they could be a dark-horse surprise contender for the title.
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    Sampdoria - 98M Euro (+19M), 29 players, 14 foreigners
    (48%), Whites 91% (+5%), Blacks 6% (-5%), Arabs 3% (+3%)
    Blacks 2
    Fernando (Brazil)
    Luis Muriel (Brazil)

    Arabs 1
    Djamel Mesbah (Algeria)

    Notable Arrivals:
    Antonio Cassano (Parma)
    Notable Departures:
    Romagnoli (Roma-Milan)

    Possible Team:
    4-3-1-2
    Viviani
    CASSANI-Silvestre-Regini-ZUKANOVIC
    Soriano-FERNANDO-BARRETO
    Cassano
    MURIEL-Eder

    Sampdoria lost disastrously the qualifications to the Europa league against the Serbian side Vojvodina, but looks a solid team on paper. Europa league material.
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    Genoa - 87M Euro (+9 M), 27 players, 19 foreigners (70%),
    Whites 78% (-6%), Blacks 22% (+11%)

    Blacks 6
    Sebastien De Maio (France)
    Issa Cissokho (Senegal)
    Alassane Tambe (Mali)
    Issac Cofie (Ghana)
    Serge Gakpe (Togo)
    Olivier Ntcham (France)


    Notable Arrivals
    Goran Pandev (Galasataray)
    Notable Departures
    -

    Possible Team
    3-4-3
    Perrin
    MUNOZ-Burdisso-De Maio
    CISSOKHO-Tino Costa-Rincon-FIGUERAS
    PANDEV-Pavoletti-Perotti

    Genoa is slightly weaker then last year and their financial situation is in disarray (they were dropped by UEFA from the EL qualifications because of financial issues). Possible EL contender, but in my opinion - mid table team at best.
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    Udinese - 77M (-22M), 30 players, Foreigners 24 (80%),
    whites 73% (+6%), Blacks 14% (-7%), Amerindians 10% (+2%),
    Arabs 3% (+3%)

    Blacks 4
    Molla Wague (Mali)
    Edenilson (Brazil)
    Emmanuel Badu (Ghana)
    Duvan Zapata (Colombia)

    Amerindians 3
    Lucas Evangelista (Brazil)
    Ivan Piris (Paraguay)
    Rafael Romo (Venezuela)

    Arabs 1
    Ali Adnan (Irak)


    Notable Arrivals
    -
    Notable Departures
    -

    Possible Team
    3-5-2
    Karnezis
    Wague-Danilo-Domizzi
    Widmer-Badu-Pinzi-ADNAN
    ZAPATA-Di Natale

    Udinese has brought in the first Iraqi player in Serie A. This year they look better, with players in defence playing together a long time. Mid table team.
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    Sassuolo - 76M Euro (+3M), 27 players, 3 foreigners (11%),
    Whites 91% (-6%), Blacks 6% (+3%), Arabs 3% (+3%)

    Blacks
    Alfred Duncan (Ghana)
    Gregoire Defrel (France)

    Arabs
    Karim Laribi (Italy)

    Notable Arrivals
    -
    Notable Departures
    Simone Zazza (Juventus)

    Possible Team
    4-3-3
    Consigli
    Vrsaljko-Acerbi-Cannavaro-Peluso
    Biondini-Manganelli-Missiroli
    Berardi-DEFREL-Sansone

    Sassuolo, even though from a town of just 30 thousand people, looks good this year. In defense they have the Croatian Vrsaljko who will probably go to Juventus next year, Acerbi and Cannavaro, middlefield has veteran Biondini and Missiroli, attack with Berardi and Sansone is strong, the team mostly white. EL place for this small provincial superpower is possible.
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    Torino - 71M Euro (-8M), 27 players, 14 foreigners (52%),
    Whites 85% (-5%), Blacks 15% (+15%)

    Blacks 4
    Lys Gomis (Senegal)
    Afriyie Acquah (Ghana)
    Joel Obi (Nigeria)
    Bruno Peres (Brazil)

    Notable Arrivals
    -
    Notable Departures
    Matteo Darmian (Manchester United)

    Possible Team
    3-5-2
    Padelli
    Maksimovic-Glik-Moretti
    ZAPPACOSTA-Benassi-BASELLI-ACQUAH-AVELAR
    Quagliarella-Maxi Lopez

    Torino seems to be very strong this year although they did loose one of their best players - Darmian - to the Premier League. The attacking duo Quagliarella-Maxi Lopez is promissing spectacular things. Strong EL contender.
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    Palermo - 55M Euro (-3M), 30 players, 16 foreigners (53%),
    Whites 88%% (+6%), Blacks 3% (-9%), Arabs 6% (unch),
    Amerindians 3% (+3%)

    Blacks 1
    Robin Quaison (Ghana)

    Arabs 2
    Abdelahmed El Kaoutari (Morocco)
    Achraff Lazaar

    Amerindians 1
    Giancarlo Gonzalez (Costa Rica)

    Notable Arrivals
    -
    Notable Departures
    Paulo Dybala (Juventus)

    Possible Team
    3-5-2
    Sorrentino
    STRUNA-Gonzalez-EL KAOUTARI
    Rispoli-Rigoni-BRUGMAN-HILJEMARK-Lazaar
    Vazquez-Belotti

    Palermo lost their jewel Dibala to Juventus and did not bring any notable players. They look slightly weaker this year. Mid-table team.
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    Atalanta - 51M Euros (-18M), 31 player, 12 foreigners
    (39%),
    Whites 91% (+3%), Blacks 6% (unch), Amerindians 3% (unch)

    Blacks 2
    Boukary Dramme (Senegal)
    Richmond Bokaye (Ghana)

    Amerindians 1
    Marcelo Estegarribia (Paraguay)

    Notable Arrivals
    -
    Notable Departures
    -

    Possible Team
    4-3-3
    Sportiello
    Raimondi-Stendardo-Masiello-Drame
    Carmona-Cigarini-KURTIC
    Estegarribia-Denis-Gomez

    Atalanta looks a solid mid table team this year, although one of their best players - Carmona - is injured and may be absent for a long time.
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    Bologna - 45M (new, promoted), 30 players, foreigners 11
    (37%) Whites 90%, Blacks 10%

    Blacks 3
    Ibrahima Mbaye (Senegal)
    Amadou Diawara (Guinea)
    Mamadou Sarr (Senegal)


    Notable Arrivals
    Mattia Destro (Roma)
    Notable Departures
    -

    Possible Team
    4-3-1-2
    MIRANTE
    Mbaye-ROSSETTINI-Oikonomou-Masina
    PULGAR-CRIESTIG-RIZZO
    BRIENZA
    Acquafresca-Mancosu

    The newly promoted Bologna doesn't really have any stars in the team, except the Serie A veteran Robert Acquafresca. Lower half of the table is likely, but I don't see them being relegated.

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    Verona - 43M Euros (+11M), 27 players, 13 foreigners
    (48%),
    Whites 89% (-3%), Arabs 7% (+3%), Amerindians 3% (unch)

    Arabs 2
    Samuel Souprayen (France)
    Mohamed Fares (Algeria)

    Amerindians 1
    Romulo (Brazil)

    Notable Arrivals
    Gianpaolo Pazzini (AC Milan)
    Notable Departures
    -

    Possible Team
    4-3-3
    Rafael
    Sala-Marquez-HELANDER-ALBERTAZZI
    Ionita-VIVIANI-Halfredsson
    PAZZINI-Toni-Jankovic

    Verona - the right wing team that traditionally has no Black players - looks solid this year, with the addition of Inter and Milan veteran Pazzini to the eternal Luca Toni in attack. Mid table position seems likely, upward potential.
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    Carpi - 38M (promoted - new), 27 players. 11 foreigners
    (41%), Whites 82%, Blacks 11%, Amerindians 7%
    Blacks 3
    Gabriel Silva (Brazil)
    Wallace (Brazil)
    Jerry Mbakogu (Nigeria)

    Amerindians 2
    Gaspar Iniguez (Argentina)
    Ryder Matos (Brazil)

    Notable Arrivals
    Zeljko Brkic
    Notable Departures
    -

    Possible Team
    4-3-3
    BRKIC
    Letizia-Romagnoli-SPOLLI-Gagliolo
    Bianco-Porcari-LAZZARI
    MATOS-Mbakogu-MARTINHO

    The small Carpi seems to have a relatively modest team. The unknown Black Mbakogu smack-dab in the middle of their attack is not very promising. Relegation struggle likely.
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    Chievo - 38M Euros (-12M), 30 players, 12 foreigners
    (40%),
    Whites 90% (-4%), Blacks 10% (+4%)

    Blacks 3
    Maodo Malick Mbaye (Senegal)
    Paul-Jose Mpoku (Kongo DR)
    Ali Sowe (Gambia)

    Notable Arrivals
    Simone Pepe (Juventus)
    Notable Departures
    -

    Possible Team
    4-4-2
    Bizzarri
    Frey-Cesar-Danieli-GOBBI
    CASTRO-Christiansen-Radovanovic-Hetemaj
    Paloschi-MPOKU

    The second team from Verona is always a relegation candidate, but somehow always delivers at the last moment. I would say more of the same this year...
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    Empoli - 36M Euros (+6M), 26 players, 11 foreigners (42%),
    Whites 96% (+8%), Blacks 4% (-4%)

    Blacks 1
    Assane Diouse (Senegal)

    Notable Arrivals
    Lukas Skorupski (Roma), Riccardo Saponara (AC Milan)
    Notable Departures
    Daniele Rugani (Juventus), Mirko Valdifiori (Napoli)

    Possible Team
    4-3-1-2
    SKORUPSKI
    Laurini-COSTA-Tonelli-BRITTANTE
    MAIELLO-RONALDO-Croce
    Saponara
    Maccarone-Pucciarelli

    Empoli -somewhat of a positive surprise last year - lost 2 of their best players (Rugani and Valdifiori - both called up to the Italian national team) to bigger teams, so it will be weaker this year. Nevertheless, this 96% White team deserves our support in what will likely be a fight for survival.
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    Frosinone - 25M (promoted - new) - 27 players, 4
    foreigners
    (15%), Whites 93%, Blacks 7%

    Blacks 2
    Modibi Diakite (Mali)
    Raman Chisbah (Ghana)

    Notable Arrivals
    -
    Notable Departures
    -

    Possible Team
    4-4-2
    LEALI
    ROSI-DIAKITE-Blanchard-PAVLOVIC
    VERDE- CHISBAH-Gucher-SODDIMO
    LONGO-Dionisi


    Frosinone, a team that never before played in serie A, from a small town near Rome, has the least valuable team in the league. A relegation struggle is more than likely.
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  5. ThePhilosopher

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    Mod Alert!

    Mods have a look here,please!!!

    Oops,I just copy pasted the title from a previous thread and forgot to change the year:embarassed::moony:.Can a mod please delete this thread,and if possible move the posts to the thread created by Porthos?Thanks!!!:biggrin:
     
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    Oops - I thought this was last year's thread and opened a new one on the same topic. Sorry. If this thread couls be merged with the one I created it would be great, thanks!
     
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  8. Porthos

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    If the first match day can be taken as a harbinger of things to come, a few things should be noted:

    - Juevntus was a shadow of its former self, a team without clear ideas of what to do with the ball. Pogba did almost all the corners and free kicks and almost all of these ended up in the stands. It is obvious that Pogba is not a Pirlo and I would predict that Pogba's price (which was pumped up as high as 100M euros by sympathetic journalists) will deflate quickly. In addition, Juve doesn't have a player like Vidal which was fundamental in their game last year and would raise the aggression level of their middle field significantly. Lastly, They don't have a player like Carlos Tevez in attack which. We'll see how this will look like, but for now it doesn't look good.
    - Fiorentina confirmed to be a team to keep an eye on, with their easy victory against AC Milan on Sunday, while Milan was a disappointment. Several bright points for Fiorentina were the Spanish defender Marcos Alonso who scored a nice goal from a free kick, in middlefield the Spanish Borca Valero confirmed a string of good performances extending from last year, while in attack, the Slovenian Ilicic and (to a lesser degree) the Croatian Kalinic who arrived from the Ukrainian side Dnipro, seem to be a good match. Milan on the other hand was pretty harmless, with the only danger emanating from the middlefielder Bonaventura who arrived from Atalanta last year.
    - Inter put on a solid performance against Atalanta with the winning goal from Jovetic in extra time and might to be one of the main contenders for the title. Napoli, on the other hand - lost to Sassuolo confirming their defensive limits that positioned them out of the CL despite having scored more than 100 goals last year. Roma also performed rather poorly against Verona and grabbed a not completely deserved point against a solid Verona team.

    - On the still active transfer market (that will close on September 2), there have been some notable signings. Juventus signed the Black Brazillian Left Back Alex Sandro from Porto and also brought back to Italy the Black Colombian striker Quadrado from Chelsea on loan. Milan brought back Mario Balotelli from Liverpool on a very cheap loan (Liverpool will still be paying most of his wages) in a move that confirms their president's Silvio Berlusconi descent into dementia. Inter Milan seems to be closing in on the Croatian striker Ivan Perisic from Wolfsburg and even possibly on PSGs Argentinian striker Ezequiel Lavezzi, which would further strengthen Roberto Mancini's team.

    Results:
    Empoli 1-3 Chievo,
    Fiorentina 2-0 Milan,
    Frosinone 1-2 Torino,
    Inter 1-0 Atalanta,
    Juventus 0-1 Udinese,
    Lazio 2-1 Bologna,
    Palermo 1-0 Genoa,
    Sampdoria 5-2 Carpi,
    Sassuolo 2-1 Napoli,
    Verona 1-1 Roma

    Winning goal from the Udinese's French striker Cyril Thereau, best player on the field:
    [video=dailymotion;x32ry62]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32ry62[/video]


     
  9. ThePhilosopher

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    Oh,it was a cracker all right:

    http://streamable.com/lnxy

    :hat:
     
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    regarding hellas verona, they have one black player now because souprayen is not arab :afro:
    also, it's surprising to see an italian with a very blatant french name (blanchard) in the starting 11 of the promoted team (firosine)
    it's unusual to see french immigrants in italy
     
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    Well, Souprayen does look very dark, but dos not really have the typical black facial features. To me he looks like a very dark (and ugly) Arab, but now I see that he is from the island of Reunion in the Indian ocean. Anyway - not good.

    Regarding French sounding last names of Italian players in the Serie A - there are several - Sergio Pelissier in Chievo, there is also Alex Meret playing as a goalkeeper in Udinese. Simone Scuffet in Como (serie B). Enzo Bearzot was a famous defender in the 50s (played for the national team) and even more famous coach of the Italian national team that won the 1982 World Cup.
     
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    Thanks Don Wassall for merging these threads!:usa2:
     
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    yes you're right, he's not 100% black, he could have looked like dimitri payet considering where he comes from, but he looks more like coquelin who is from the same island
    his surname seems to be indian but he has oviously some black in him


    i read that blanchard had a french grandfather
     
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    There were numerous teams in the CL playoff that Lazio would've beaten but they were unlucky getting Leverkusen. I didn't see the first leg but Lazio looked poor in the second. No CL windfall for Lazio this year.
     
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    so after a terrible first game:






    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pogba-doubts-juventus-face-scudetto-rivals-roma-013244493--sow.html

    pogba disappears totally against AS roma, with evra getting a red card (pogba could also have been red carded in this game)
    juventus still have zero points
     
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    Pogba was an absolute disaster again. This guy wouldn't know how to send a long ball if his life depended on it, even a still ball from a free kick or a corner... and he's supposed to be a playmaker and replace Pirlo? Ridiculous.
    Yesterday Milan's coach Sinisa Mihajlovic kept Balotelli worming up for the last 30 minutes, but didn't put him in, as the result against the "giants" of Empoli was too tight (2:1) - a sign of how much confidence the coach has in "Super Mario"?
     
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    Actually Sampdoria equalized and the game ended 2-2 (they almost won at the end, but Napoli's goalkeeper Pepe Reina managed a big save and kept them afloat). Napoli is again suffering from defensive problems as last year, and having that useless black Kalidou Koulibaly in the middle of their defence certainly doesn't help.
    Below is a video with the 4 goals, notice how this useless prick is positions himself during the second goal.

    [video=youtube;znbIJ_r-P80]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znbIJ_r-P80[/video]
     
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    Yes,you're right.Actually the place where I this,they only had these two goals,so I thought.....
    Am I only one to think that Higuain made a mistake by going to Napoli?They're not even in the CL now:icon_mad:
     
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    And it begins....

    Marotta: ‘€100m not enough for Pogba'

    Well,he's right on one thing....the English Clubs will come up with the €100m:crazy:
     
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    if martial is worth 80 millions, pogba is worth 200 millions because he has actually played soccer professionally :dork:
    and his haircut is more marketable :dork:
     
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    Salaries in Serie A (pre-tax) by team are:
    Juventus (109 M Euros)
    Roma (99,6 M Euros)
    Inter (85,6 M Euros)
    Napoli (75,2 M Euros)
    Milan (73 M Euros)
    Lazio (52,8 M Euros)
    Fiorentina (35,4 M Euros)
    Sampdoria (32,3 M Euros)
    Sassuolo (30 M Euros)
    Torino (28,5 M Euros)
    Bologna (28,2 M Euros)
    Udinese (25 M Euros)
    Palermo (24,6 M Euros)
    Atalanta (24,6 M Euros)
    Genoa (23,4 M Euros)
    Verona (20,2 M Euros)
    Chievo (17,1 M Euros)
    Carpi (13,6 M Euros)
    Empoli (13 M Euros)
    Frosinone (12,9 M Euros)


    In the table below (millions of Euros per year - after tax take home pay) are specific salaries for every player.
    Most top earners still seem to be White except in Juventus (Pogba), Inter (Kondogbia) and Milan (Bacca).
    These salaries look relatively low compared for example with EPL or the top Spanish teams.

    [​IMG]
     
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    What has Kondogbia ever done in his life to get 3.5m per year?:crazy:
    I mean he's scored six professional goals in his entire career,so far:tinfoil3:.Mikel would've been proud of that:fear:
    And of course,the less said about Pogba,who has really done nothing his entire life except sitting and watching as the jews sold Pirlo's,Marchisio's and even Vidal's genius as his own,the better.:mmph:
     
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    bacca's wage on the other hand is logical since he has scored a lot and was a big profile signing
    menez is a little bit low in ac milan's rankings considering he comes from a rich club, was ac milan's top scorer, and can do things that very few players can
     

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