Ichiro Suzuki Breaks Pete Rose's Hits Record!!

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  1. Flint

    Flint Mentor Staff Member

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    Another hallowed record has fallen as Ichiro Suzuki breaks Pete Rose's once thought unbreakable career hits record.

    Also Cool Papa Bell has been declared the new holder of best batting average in a season for his average of .747 in 1938 (estimated) breaking Rogers Hornsby .424 in 1924, and Shirly "Beard" Davis is the new most games played consecutively record holder for her record set in the 1947-56 All-American Womens' softball league, passing Cal Ripkens 2632 in a row.

    MLB will now accept any leagues records as being applicable to MLB records as long as the holder is not a white male. (Bonds is still the all-time HR king despite Sadaharu Oh having hit more).

    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2016/06/16/ichiro-suzuki-breaks-pete-roses-hits-record-didnt/

    Kudos to Pete Rose for referring to himself now as the new hits "queen", as Rose is determined to be un-politically correct to the end. For what it's worth most baseball commenters have dissed the idea of Suzuki
    's totals being "in the same league" as Rose's. However the global agenda keeps rolling along.
     
  2. fernchris55

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    Whew! Almost made me throw up there for a second. MLB has not YET gone there. Bleacher Report are like most sports writers a bunch of wannabe jocks who never banged the cheerleaders and settled for Mary Sue Crotch Rot. Ever since, they've reeked their revenge being opinion makers. They including (((they))) probably laugh their Ass's off writing this purposefully provocative crap too rile us up. Amazing how even White sports-loving writers sing the same tune as SJW when it comes to self-hatred and worshipping at the multi-kulti temple. By the way, if you post comments on Ali's passing at anyone of these sports sites; ask them how they reconcile their hero worship of a brain damaged concussion machine with their holier-than-thou concern for NFL players mental health.
    PS....MLB and the NBA started the trend this post is about when they opened up their Halls of Fame to the former Negro Baseball League, WNBA, International leagues etc.....
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    Ichiro has been greatly underappreciated when you get down to it. Didn't play MLB until he was 27 and yet is going to get over 3,000 career hits. His first season with Seattle he hit .350 with 242 hits. His 2004 season reads like something you'd expect from Ty Cobb -- .372 average and 262 hits. He had over 200 hits his first ten MLB seasons, has 504 career stolen bases, and a ton of runs scored. The only thing he lacks is power. If a player been born say in Nigeria or Kenya and accomplished what Ichiro has, he'd have been treated with much more hype and reverence from the media, as the Caste System in most cases is designed to boost the Magical Race above and beyond all others.
     
  4. Leonardfan

    Leonardfan Hall of Famer

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    I like Ichiro and have no issue acknowledging his talent and longevity. I do have issue with the MLB adding his hits from his previous career in Japan though as it is a totally different league. That makes no sense.

    Asian athletes are just like white athletes - humble, hard working and decent for the most part.
     
  5. fernchris55

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    Re-read the above Breitbart article. MLB did not change the record. As it stated in the headline to the Breitbart article (not really). Bleacher Report made a big deal of it, but they're not MLB. The photo at the game where Ichiro set the "unofficial" mark shows the park, with MLB direction and blessing, posting that unofficial total of hits as a sign of respect for a truly great player(it says Japan + MLB). It also makes sense for MLB to celebrate the "achievement" from a global marketing perspective.
     
  6. white is right

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    I think he is the best pure hitter since Boggs and Gwynn (and is a better athlete than both), but if you were to count a level of baseball that is the equivalent of double A or triple A then you need to count Rose's minor league stats too. I guess with Rose's record being unassailable at the moment baseball can't banish Rose into the distant rear view of the collective memories of fans of the sport.
     
  7. knightedsoldier5000

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    Ichiro was a really good player and had some incredible seasons, but take a look at his walks. He never walked. That's why he got so many hits. He only walked more than 50 times twice in his career!!! That's really bad. A lifetime .313 hitter is really good, but not as great as you would think it would be given how many hits he has.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/suzukic01.shtml

    Take Boggs for example. He walked over 100 times 4 straight seasons. Every time he walked was one less chance to get a hit. Lifetime .328 avg.

    Ichiro led the league in AB 8 times - again he got more at bats and more chances to get hits because he wouldn't take a walk.
     
  8. jacknyc

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    On the other hand, by not taking walks, he gives himself more chances to make an out and lower his average.
    Taking a walk, protects and holds your average. Not taking a walk means taking more chances.
    It's a two-sided coin.
    D.J. LeMahieu won the batting crown this season, by not playing the last weekend of the season. By not taking at bats that could have become outs.
    The more at bats you have, odds are 2 to 1 that you will make an out vs making a hit.
    So looking at that way, you have to respect Ichiro's batting average even more.
     
  9. knightedsoldier5000

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    Batting average and racking up hits (which I contend was Ichiro's main objective), are 2 totally different objectives. As you say, taking a walk helps protect the batting average, but gives a hitter less opportunities to get a hit.

    Ichiro ranks #77 on the all time BA list, which is excellent, but not near the top leaders.


    76.
    Ed Morgan (7)
    .3128
    R
    77.
    Nomar Garciaparra (14)
    .3127
    R

    Ichiro Suzuki (16, 42)
    .3127
    L

    Larry Walker (17)
    .3127
    L
    80.
    Joey Votto (10, 32)
    .3126
    L
    81.
    Bill Dickey+ (17)
    .3125

    For additional comparison, Ichiro's OBP was a pedestrian .356 vs. .375 for Pete Rose.

    I guess the point i'm trying to make is that Ichiro's lack of walks gave him the opportunity to rack up as many hits as he did despite the pedestrian OBP and excellent, but not great batting average. Lack of walks meant more "at bats" / opportunitis for hits. Certainly you have to credit him for getting the hits but I would rate Boggs, Gwynn, Puckett, and several others in the last 20-30 years as greater hitters than Ichiro.
     
  10. Van_Slyke_CF

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    Ichiro has been an incredible player for two decades between Japan and the U.S. I think he deserves to be recognized as the world's hit king.

    Rose will retain his title as the MLB hit king, and he deserves it. I visited Cooperstown a few months back and would like to see Rose in the HOF soon.

    Ichiro will be a sure-fire first ballot HOFer in his first year of eligibility.

    Both men should be respected for their tremendous accomplishments in baseball.
     
  11. Don Wassall

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    Ichiro Suzuki retired today, fittingly in Japan as the A's and Mariners opened the season by playing two games in Tokyo. To get over 3,000 hits in MLB after playing his first nine seasons in Japan is a tremendous accomplishment. His retirement received only a small amount of the media coverage a black player would have gotten with a comparable career, showing again that Asians don't benefit from the Caste System, so a tip of the cap to Ichiro for a great career in the U.S.
     

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