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  1. mastermulti

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    a montage of Boling's big moments - all recent of course because he's just really starting out
    Interestingly, I thought he showed a Wariner style ease of movement/ fluidity, in that 200. He may actually prove to be a devastating 400 runner.
    I know we here love to put 100/200s first but thoughts?
    A great 400 sprinter should find national representation easier on a regular basis than chance the 100 where anyone can pop a big one out on the day
     
  2. jacknyc

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    My initial thought was . . . this is the fastest kid in the country and he's never run the 100m in high school before! Probably due to the caste system at work. His coach probably never thought to put a white kid in the 100m.
    Aside from that, considering his inexperience at the 100m and 200m, one of those may be his best event. I thought he looked fluid and powerful in the 200m (like Wariner as you described). No doubt that the 400m is the better/easier event to make a national team. But I would love to see his potential in the shorter sprints. I suppose we'll have to see how his season progresses at all those events, plus the long jump.
     
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    I had been trying to figure out who that other white kid is .
    I think he is Thomas Donley - a Sophomore! - who came in 3rd in 10.58.
    Another kid worth watching.
     
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    This is video has clips of Matthew's big day at the Texas Relays.
    Great angle on the relay, to see how much ground he made up on the other runners.
    And great (sarcastic) commentary from the Asian guy.
     
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    "It is really impressive how this kid who is clearly less athletic than everybody else, is using his grit and determination to somehow beat all these other faster, more athletic people."

    This was said tongue-in- cheek in the above video. Obviously we aren't the only ones aware of the caste system and caste speak in the sports world.
     
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    Here's a great shot of both of them.
    You can clearly see that Boling dominated this race.
     

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    Excellent pic jacknyc. I have to admit I'm worried about a few things.

    To name just a few names of kids who could have become huge sprinting stars from high school I will just name 2 off the top of
    my head. Matt Bruno and Curtis Godwin. There are so many white kids that give up track/especially sprinting after high school. This
    really pisses me off when some of these kids have the potential to possibly become elite track stars someday. Hoping Matthew Boling doesn't
    give up his first love of track and field.

    My other concern is that if they don't allow him to run the 100 & 200 meters. The kid was born to be sprinter. Yes maybe he could be a champion
    in the long jump too but the money, fame and star power is in the sprints. So if Boling is reading this we are rooting for you.
     
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  12. jacknyc

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    Some fast times from Texas HSers in their district meets

    100m (nwi) Jadon Maddux 10.53
    200m (nwi) 1 Jadon Maddux 21.11; 2 Braden Jetton 21.11

    100m (2.4) Thomas Donley 10.54
    200m (2.7) Thomas Donley 21.17

    I've mentioned Donley before; he's a sophomore.
     
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    Matthew Boling ran 10.11!!!
    Trying to find out if it was wind legal.
     
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    In looking at his meets, when he runs, he's not even being pushed. The next closest sprinter I believe was 10.6. I look to see Boling get much better when he gets to Georgia and competes against stronger competition. He should break 10.0, however, I've heard stories of HS sprinters running 10.2, but never breaking 10.0?
     
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    I think one big bonus for Boling is that he is in the US and will be regularly training with and running against some of the best sprinters and will have some of the best coaching possible. As we’ve said many times here, with the exception of RCSMAN , that was always one of Lemaitre’s downfalls.
     
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    I've seen the video of the race and he just destroys everyone. Incredible generational talent! Congrats to Matthew Boling![​IMG]
     
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    Apparently Thomas Donley is the son of former Cowboy, Doug Donley, the original 'white lightning'.
     
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    A name for next year, junior Ryan Mulholland.
    He had the 2nd fastest qualifying time in the Calif HS State Championships, 10.48.
    He took 3rd in the final, with 10.53, the same time as 2nd place.
    You can see the video here. He is 2nd to last at 15 meters, but comes on strong at the end.


    Meanwhile, Braydon Borquez, also came on strong at the end to take 2nd in the 400m.
     
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    Received this email from a CF supporter today:

    Don:

    There are three fast white high school freshman sprinters, who might bear watching. I hope they found inspiration in Matt Boling this season.

    Aidan Laughery: 10.74 and 22.35 (22.13w) He looks like he's 13. Melvin Sibley HS, Gibson City, Illinois.

    Tyler Yurich: 10.75 and 22.70 He looks 14 or 15. Seneca Valley HS, Harmony, Pennsylvania.

    Dylan Randall: 10.86 (10.79w) and 22.15. He looks 14 or 15. Canal Winchester HS, Canal Winchester, Ohio.

    From the photos I've seen none looks like a man-boy type. They all look about right for the 9th grade, although Laughery could pass for an 8th grader. This suggests to me, barring injury, they all should improve greatly over the next three years. Of course, there are many other things to factor in but white kids that fast at that age who don't look physically mature certainly should be of some interest to the fans of castefootball.

    I couldn't have asked for more than Matt Boling this season. The way he accelerates away from the competition in the 100 and runs down other teams on his relay leg reminds me of Forrest Beaty in 1961 and 1962. Even my wife, who usually only watches horse races, has watched all the Boling videos. Her favorite and mine is the one with the black guy saying something to the effect, "Here come white lightning. You better hurry. Here he come." Whites in the stands are afraid to express themselves in such a manner. Blacks are typically uninhibited. With Boling I've noticed the blacks are either quiet and sullen or seemingly getting a kick out of the white boy smoking their black brothers.
     
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    Excellent Don. I hope this lurker may be inclined to sign up! Good to see supportive people out there and he even included 3 young prospects for us to keep an eye on!
     
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    Nice to see the mention of Forrest Beaty. I never saw him run, but I know he was the T&FN HS Athlete of the Year in 1962.
    He was the #1 ranked high school sprinter in the 100y and 220y sprints that year. I'm pretty sure he was the last white HS athlete to be ranked #1 in the sprints, although Boling will likely equal all his achievements this year.
    However, despite being the #1 HS sprinter in the country, when Beaty went to university, he was moved up to the 440yd dash. I don't know the reason why, but it may have been a caste move. He was fairly successful at that distance, but I've always wondered why he didn't run the short sprints at university.
    Don't be surprised if that happens to Boling as well. I've already heard many track 'fans', say that his future is in the 400m.

    Another example of a super successful white HS sprinter being moved up is Anthony Tufariello. In 1977 he was the #1 400m runner in the country. He best time was an amazing 46.09! Yet, as soon as he got to Villanova, he was moved up to the 800m. A case of racial profiling in my opinion.

    I think Beaty and Tufariello were the only #1 white high school sprinters in the country in the last 60 years, and both of them were automatically moved up in distance as soon as they got to university. Coincidence.....I personally don't think so.
     
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    Forrest Beaty moved up to the 440 as a freshman at Berkeley because of a badly torn hamstring he suffered in his final high school race in 1962. Much of the time he ran with his thigh bandaged. If he hadn't torn that hamstring, I'm convinced he would have been an Olympic medalist in the 100 and probably a gold medalist in 200 in 1964--and he would have been only 19 years old.

    For those at Castefootball who are not acquainted with the prep phenom Forrest Beaty he was a legend in Southern California in the early 60s. People who were not track fans went to watch him run and break records. In 1960 as a 15-year-old sophomore from Hoover High in Glendale he won the CIF Southern Section title in the 220. The next year, 1961, he came into national prominence, running several 100-yard-dashes in 9.5 and several sub 21 flat 220s. Yes, these were hand timed but they were run on dirt tracks. Conventional wisdom says add two tenths to 100 yard or 100 meter times to convert to full automatic timing. However, what is left out of the equation is the great advantage of running on the new artificial track surfaces, which I think gives a 2 tenths advantage in the 100 and 4-5 tenths in 200 or 220. Something else to note: Beaty ran most of his 220s on the straightaway and only a few on the turn. This can also be misleading when comparing with today because when the 220 was run on the turn back then it was a full turn and significantly slower than the partial turn that is run today.

    In the CIF Southern Section finals in 1961 Ralph Turner, a senior at Burroughs High in Burbank and another blazing white sprinter, ran 20.5, the fastest time ever run by a prep. It was good for only second place. Forrest Beaty ran a mind-boggling 20.2, a national high school record and a mere two-tenths shy of the world record. Beaty was 16 years old. In the California state championship Beaty won the 100 in 9.5 and Turner was second in 9.6. The 220 was run into a strong headwind and the solidly built Beaty powered into the wind and won easily. The tall, lanky Turner was nosed out for second. Turner's high school career was over but Beatty, the fastest prep in the nation, had another year left.

    Beaty got off to a fast start in 1962. By mid-March he had already run the 100 in 9.5 and the 220 in 20.6--the best times in the nation. Then, on the last day of the month, Beaty ran the 100 in 9.4 to tie the national prep record set by Jesse Owens in 1933 and tied by Jim Jackson in 1954. When Owens set the record he was nearly 20 years old, and Jackson a month shy of 19 when he tied it. Beaty was 17 1/2. In meet after meet during the spring of 1962 Beaty continued to blister tracks and smoke all competition. His relay legs were beyond belief. Once, on a lark, he ran the 440 and recorded a 47.3, the third-fastest time in the nation. Under less than ideal conditions he won the CIF Southern Section in 9.5 and 20.4. In the California state championship in the 100 he got off to a terrible start and was in dead last. He won pulling away in 9.5. Most observers thought a good start would have given him a 9.3.

    Thousands of spectators now waited eagerly for the 220 final. The field included several runners who had broken 21 flat. "This kid Beaty just might break the world record" was the comment heard throughout the stands. When the starter fired his gun, everyone was on his feet, and nearly everyone held a stopwatch. At 70 or 80 yards Beaty began pulling away from the field. At 110 yards he was at least six or seven yards ahead and still accelerating. Forrest Beaty was demolishing one of the finest 220 fields in state history. Then it happened. His hamstring ripped. Richard Stebbins, from Fremont High in the heart of South-Central Los Angeles, went on to win in 20.9. Knowing how powerful Beaty was in the second half of the 220, everyone thought he would have beaten Stebbins by 10 yards or more and run a world-record sub-20 flat. What were called "track nuts" back then--guys who attended all the major meets, timing and recording every race, and many of them coaches and former athletes--agreed that Beaty, but for the hamstring tear, would have run 19.7 or 19.8.
     
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    Thank you so much Thousand Okie, for all the info on Beatty.
    It sounds like the buzz surrounding his incredible sprinting is similar to the buzz about Boling these days.
    But in fact, Beatty had a much longer, and more successful high school career.
    What a shame about his torn hamstring in that final 220 yd race at the California State Finals.
    And just for those who don't know, Richard Stebbins, who won the race after Beatty pulled his hamstring, made it to the 1964 Olympics, running in the 200m and the US 4 x 100m relay.
    What might have been . . .
     

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