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Who was the last white running back to win the Heisman Trophy?
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John Cappelletti, Penn State, 1973. Steve Owens of Oklahoma won it in '69.
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It was not thought to be anything out of the ordinary for Owens and Cappelletti to win the award.
Very true. It was right after Cappelletti won that whites were quickly phased out of the running back position. I believe a white rusher for either Utah or Utah State was the leading rusher in the country in '74, the year after Cappelletti won, then 27 years went by before Chance Kretschmer led the country in '01 as a freshman. Kretschmer of course was rewarded by not even making a practice squad in the NFL last year.
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The After Cappelletti won the only other white to win who won on pure atheletism and not drop back passing skills was Eric Crouch. Scence Cappelletti only one White has one the Hiesmon in 33 years who was not a pocket passer.
I consider myself very knowledgeable about football, particularly college football, and I had never heard of Chance Kretschmer until tonight. Where did he play?
I suspect if he had been anything but white and led the nation in rushing as a freshman he would have been a household name for the next 3 years and surely on someone'sFL roster. Caste at work...
I suspect if he had been anything but white and led the nation in rushing as a freshman he would have been a household name for the next 3 years and surely on someone'sFL roster. Caste at work...
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He played for Nevada. He sufferd a devistating Knee his second year, and when he came back the offense was changed to a pass happy one. He was a Maurice Clarrett type runner but without all the off feild problems. He could have been a good N.F.L. Back.
Kretschmerplayed for Nevada. It goes without saying he was a walk-on. He had some knee problems after his freshman year but still had a very fine collegiate career. He's been mentioned a lot on the board, but very little in the past year or so as he quickly faded from view. Wasn't drafted in '05, don't even thinkhe wassigned as a free agent believe it or not. What miniscule buzz there was about him from NFL scouts was that he had to convert to fullback.
Just found this link:
<H2>Moving on: With a prominent career now complete, Wolf Pack running back Chance Kretschmer is ready for his life after football</H2>
After Chance Kretschmer's final game at Nevada against Boise State, he was called into the press room for interviews. But his name was never called to step to the microphone.
Kretschmer peeked into the room at Cashell Fieldhouse, looked around and then walked out.
That was the end to a long, cold 58-21 loss on Nov. 27 and Kretschmer's last night in Wolf Pack blue.
Once again, his name was not called this weekend during the NFL Draft.
A dream that he had worked toward since his record-setting freshman season, when he became just the second freshman to lead the NCAA with 1,732 yards, had come up short. Marshall Faulk led with 1,429 yards in 1991 at San Diego State.
The 16 pounds of muscle that he had put on since the end of the season will not be used to run over opposing linebackers in the NFL as it was in the Western Athletic Conference.
While many draft prospects were invited to NFL, Kretschmer stayed at Nevada hitting the bench with fellow Nevada draft prospects Harvey Dahl and Chris Barry.
Kretschmer had also worked through a torn ACL injury that sidelined him his sophomore year.
"I don't even notice it anymore," Kretschmer said about the knee injury.
It's hard to argue with more than 4.5 yards a carry after an injury that is notorious for shortening the career of running backs: Rashaan Salaam, Terrell Davis and Ki-Jana Carter to name a few.
Kretschmer could have looked at the missed opportunity in the draft as a chance to blame a coaching staff that only gave him the ball 175 times his senior year compared to 302 (an NCAA freshman record) his freshman year. But Kretschmer didn't.
The rest of the story: [url]http://www.nevadasagebrush.com/media/storage/paper553/news/2 005/04/26/Sports/Moving.On.With.A.Prominent.Career.Now.Compl ete.Wolf.Pack.Running.Back.Chance.Kre-937672.shtml?norewrite 200607122337&sourcedomain=www.nevadasagebrush.com [/url]
<H2>Moving on: With a prominent career now complete, Wolf Pack running back Chance Kretschmer is ready for his life after football</H2>
After Chance Kretschmer's final game at Nevada against Boise State, he was called into the press room for interviews. But his name was never called to step to the microphone.
Kretschmer peeked into the room at Cashell Fieldhouse, looked around and then walked out.
That was the end to a long, cold 58-21 loss on Nov. 27 and Kretschmer's last night in Wolf Pack blue.
Once again, his name was not called this weekend during the NFL Draft.
A dream that he had worked toward since his record-setting freshman season, when he became just the second freshman to lead the NCAA with 1,732 yards, had come up short. Marshall Faulk led with 1,429 yards in 1991 at San Diego State.
The 16 pounds of muscle that he had put on since the end of the season will not be used to run over opposing linebackers in the NFL as it was in the Western Athletic Conference.
While many draft prospects were invited to NFL, Kretschmer stayed at Nevada hitting the bench with fellow Nevada draft prospects Harvey Dahl and Chris Barry.
Kretschmer had also worked through a torn ACL injury that sidelined him his sophomore year.
"I don't even notice it anymore," Kretschmer said about the knee injury.
It's hard to argue with more than 4.5 yards a carry after an injury that is notorious for shortening the career of running backs: Rashaan Salaam, Terrell Davis and Ki-Jana Carter to name a few.
Kretschmer could have looked at the missed opportunity in the draft as a chance to blame a coaching staff that only gave him the ball 175 times his senior year compared to 302 (an NCAA freshman record) his freshman year. But Kretschmer didn't.
The rest of the story: [url]http://www.nevadasagebrush.com/media/storage/paper553/news/2 005/04/26/Sports/Moving.On.With.A.Prominent.Career.Now.Compl ete.Wolf.Pack.Running.Back.Chance.Kre-937672.shtml?norewrite 200607122337&sourcedomain=www.nevadasagebrush.com [/url]
Here's SI.com's scouting report on Kretschmer. Notice how blatantly his "positives" are contradicted by his "negatives":
POSITIVES: Super tough ballhandler with outstanding intangibles. Patient, sees the field and waits for blocks to develop. Quickly finds the running lanes, drives up the field and displays top run instincts. Possesses a burst through the hole and works to pick up positive yardage. Solid receiver out of the backfield who displays good eye/hand coordination and lays out to make the tough grab. Picks up blocking assignments and gives good effort.
NEGATIVES: Possesses marginal playing speed and cannot run to daylight. Not a ballcarrier who can quickly cut back against the grain or create when nothing is available. Suffered a major knee injury in .02.
He "cannot run to daylight," yet he "waits for his blocks to develop," "quickly finds the running lanes," "displays top run instincts" and "possesses a burst through the hole." SI's verdict: "His tenacity and football intelligence gives him a slight chance to make it as a team's fourth back." How many teams even carry a fourth running back?
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players /67498.html[/url]
POSITIVES: Super tough ballhandler with outstanding intangibles. Patient, sees the field and waits for blocks to develop. Quickly finds the running lanes, drives up the field and displays top run instincts. Possesses a burst through the hole and works to pick up positive yardage. Solid receiver out of the backfield who displays good eye/hand coordination and lays out to make the tough grab. Picks up blocking assignments and gives good effort.
NEGATIVES: Possesses marginal playing speed and cannot run to daylight. Not a ballcarrier who can quickly cut back against the grain or create when nothing is available. Suffered a major knee injury in .02.
He "cannot run to daylight," yet he "waits for his blocks to develop," "quickly finds the running lanes," "displays top run instincts" and "possesses a burst through the hole." SI's verdict: "His tenacity and football intelligence gives him a slight chance to make it as a team's fourth back." How many teams even carry a fourth running back?
[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players /67498.html[/url]
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Even if Chance had not got hurt and had finished in the top ten alltime rushing he probebley would have not been drafted.
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If Staley's team had been a contender for the national title he might have won the Heismann. That still wouldn't have changed his draft position though.....
Kretschmer leads the country in rushing, Staley wins the Doke Walker award, an Brock Forsey has the second highest touchdowns in a season ever, all within a three year period.It should have been the heralding of a resurgense of white running backs in the NFL.You know, the ones who oppose this site always claim NFL owners would justLOVE to hire white runners but their arent any good ones out there. Instead Kretschmer and Staley never had a single carry in the NFLwhile Forsey kicked ass in two games as the emeergency starter because of injuries and never was given the opportunity to build from those two fine games.
Isn't there a criminal statute on the books somewherecoveringwhat was done to these exceptionally qualified white runners?
Isn't there a criminal statute on the books somewherecoveringwhat was done to these exceptionally qualified white runners?
what happened to Staley can be somewhat explained by his injuries, i just can't think of anyone trying to keep such a talented kid outta NFL... not even the caste system should have accomplished that... Chance is another outrage and unfortunately probably not the last one... Lumsden, Hartigan and some more in the future might just share their fate
First you have to find a "class" of white athletes who would be willing to represent the plaintiffs ina class actionsuit, but the main difficulty is $$$. Such a lawsuit would most likely go on for years and be aggressively defended by the NCAA and NFL (if the NFLwas also a defendant), and of course the media would either ignore the suit or lend its full support to the defendants. The legal feescould easily end up beingin the millions of dollars, which doesn't count further years of appeals that might follow a verdictin favorof the white athletes.
But what could they use as their primary evidence in the lawsuit? Would there be any former/current coaches or owners that would actually take the stand and divulge the caste system that is so obvious to all of us? Im sure the NFL or NCAA doesnt have a written directive (proof) that states an anti-white policy for cornerbacks, running backs, ect...
I actually hope that this transpires in the future, because I see of no other means of attracting attention to this problem. Its evident that the media will never take our position.
I actually hope that this transpires in the future, because I see of no other means of attracting attention to this problem. Its evident that the media will never take our position.
Ithink such a suit may well be filed -- when the time is right. There would have to be a lot more fans' -- and white athletes' -- consciousness raised first. That of course is what we are trying to do here, and I think we have made a bit of progress. White athletes are helping too, by winning basketball tournaments, boxing titles, the World Cup, the 400, and by continuing to dominate the sports they have always dominated.
In football, there is a lot of direct and circumstantial evidence that together makes an incredibly strong case for the existence of the Caste System. There has been about ten MSM articles we've posted on the board or the homepage that admit to discrimination against white football players to varying degrees, including some running backs being told flat out by college recruiters that they're the wrong color for the position. The dominance of white and mostly white football teams at the high school level along with a commensurate amount of white stars at the "black" positions with physical abilities just as scholarship-worthy as blacks is documentable, though it would be quite a task to compile on a state-by-state basis.
There would be depositions of scouts, coaches, executives, etc., who would either have to admit to therealities of racial slotting when it comes to recruiting football players at many positionsor else lie under oath. There would be expert witnesses on both sides, along with the testimony of white athletes themselves who have been openly discriminated against.
It can be done when the time is ripe, but as mentioned above it would take a tremendous legal effort to tie everything together and present it as an understandable whole for a jury. Mucho, mucho, muchodollars and resources would be needed as the NCAA and especially the NFL have unlimited financial resources and in the U.S. legal system the side with the most money wins almost all of the time. And even if the financial resources were found it would still be a David vs. Goliath situation. There would be time-honored delaying tactics and all kinds of other legal and psychological ploys conducted by the defendants.
The justness and righteousness of a cause of action can quite often be defeated by a well-heeled foeand that's what has to be kept in mind. But when the existence of the Caste System finally makes itself known to a critical number of athletes and fans, a class action lawsuit or other form of action will follow naturally and will have a good chance of success.
I feel so badly for the countless white football players who have been screwed over for so long with no end in sight. It truly is heart-rending. It makes me angry as I'm sure it does everyone whose eyes are opened to what has beengoing onin plain sight for many years now, obscured only by the monolithic nature of the corporate media. The Caste System is going to be exposed and defeated eventually, in football and every other sport where it's practiced. Edited by: Don Wassall
In football, there is a lot of direct and circumstantial evidence that together makes an incredibly strong case for the existence of the Caste System. There has been about ten MSM articles we've posted on the board or the homepage that admit to discrimination against white football players to varying degrees, including some running backs being told flat out by college recruiters that they're the wrong color for the position. The dominance of white and mostly white football teams at the high school level along with a commensurate amount of white stars at the "black" positions with physical abilities just as scholarship-worthy as blacks is documentable, though it would be quite a task to compile on a state-by-state basis.
There would be depositions of scouts, coaches, executives, etc., who would either have to admit to therealities of racial slotting when it comes to recruiting football players at many positionsor else lie under oath. There would be expert witnesses on both sides, along with the testimony of white athletes themselves who have been openly discriminated against.
It can be done when the time is ripe, but as mentioned above it would take a tremendous legal effort to tie everything together and present it as an understandable whole for a jury. Mucho, mucho, muchodollars and resources would be needed as the NCAA and especially the NFL have unlimited financial resources and in the U.S. legal system the side with the most money wins almost all of the time. And even if the financial resources were found it would still be a David vs. Goliath situation. There would be time-honored delaying tactics and all kinds of other legal and psychological ploys conducted by the defendants.
The justness and righteousness of a cause of action can quite often be defeated by a well-heeled foeand that's what has to be kept in mind. But when the existence of the Caste System finally makes itself known to a critical number of athletes and fans, a class action lawsuit or other form of action will follow naturally and will have a good chance of success.
I feel so badly for the countless white football players who have been screwed over for so long with no end in sight. It truly is heart-rending. It makes me angry as I'm sure it does everyone whose eyes are opened to what has beengoing onin plain sight for many years now, obscured only by the monolithic nature of the corporate media. The Caste System is going to be exposed and defeated eventually, in football and every other sport where it's practiced. Edited by: Don Wassall
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If a white athlete filed a descrimination suite he would be laughed out of court.
today he would, but what I think Don is saying is that when enough people finally realize the problem the class of plaintiffs will come together, then its a matter of whether enough white people will sacrafice financially tosee the case through to its conclusion. Maybe a few white men of means and principle will step forth to help out. There are plenty of whites with money who think like we do and want to see the entire system changed not just the caste system.
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I am sure you could find a lawyer to do this pro-bono. He would get paid from damage settlement from the NCAA and NFL. I would love to see it happen and get exposed to the nation. Even if you lost the lawsuit. The public would be well aware of this issue and what has been going on. Just having one Heisman Trophy running back in the last 23 years speaks volumes.