Hatton vs. Pacman

[johnnyboy]

haven't posted in the boxing forumn for awhile.

i saw the fight and i was disappointed Ricky didn't show better. in his defense, he was just outclassed. Manny has really developed as a fighter. he's now truly world class.

people will knock his choice in trainers but the truth is Floyd Sr is a good trainer. if you need proof just look at his. PBF, before he retired was easily the most skilled boxer i've seen since pernell whitaker (although with a lot more power). its just unfortunate for Ricky that he only had Floyd now in the twilight of his boxing career. Floyd's style/strategy is suited more for developing younger boxers that can be molded into that defensive counterpuncher slickster mindset. Ricky's a bull, just like Gatti, and those kind of boxers have a real hard time relearning the sweet science later on in their careers. they will practice it but once the bell rings they revert back to the old charging in head first style. and against a world class fighter, more often than not, that style is going to get you knocked out.

i hope Manny fights PBF. however, i dont think it will happen anytime soon. assuming PBF gets serious about boxing again, it will still take hime atleast a yr to get back into world class fighting condition.

i will always root for Manny over PBF but i would never make the mistake of dismissing him. he's too skilled for anyone to say he'd get knocked out by Manny. it would be a battle for both of them.

here's hoping the boxing gods make it so.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

A sad fight and an even sadder result. I've learned not to let these things get me down though. We still dominate the big time divisions.

 

[Thrashen]

"A sad fight and an even sadder result. I've learned not to let these things get me down though. We still dominate the big time divisions."


Yeah, but the problem is that the average drunken white turd doesnt realize that these guys (Pacman and Hatton) weigh as much as your average 12 year old. No discrespect intended, obviously.

Media outlets are only interested in "tiny-boxing," which was quite evident in their infinate hyping of this fight (they even showed the weigh-in)....combined with never, ever mentioning the Klitschko brothers, Pavlik, Calzaghe, or any other dominant white champions.

For god's sake, the only time I heard a single word about the HW division on ESPN is for the purpose of ridicule.

I mean, I honestly dont care much about any division below cruiserweight....as nearly 0% of the white male population could ever weigh so little.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Good points Thrashen.

 

[dwid]

haven't posted in the boxing forumn for awhile.

i saw the fight and i was disappointed Ricky didn't show better. in his defense, he was just outclassed. Manny has really developed as a fighter. he's now truly world class.

people will knock his choice in trainers but the truth is Floyd Sr is a good trainer. if you need proof just look at his. PBF, before he retired was easily the most skilled boxer i've seen since pernell whitaker (although with a lot more power). its just unfortunate for Ricky that he only had Floyd now in the twilight of his boxing career. Floyd's style/strategy is suited more for developing younger boxers that can be molded into that defensive counterpuncher slickster mindset. Ricky's a bull, just like Gatti, and those kind of boxers have a real hard time relearning the sweet science later on in their careers. they will practice it but once the bell rings they revert back to the old charging in head first style. and against a world class fighter, more often than not, that style is going to get you knocked out.

i hope Manny fights PBF. however, i dont think it will happen anytime soon. assuming PBF gets serious about boxing again, it will still take hime atleast a yr to get back into world class fighting condition.

i will always root for Manny over PBF but i would never make the mistake of dismissing him. he's too skilled for anyone to say he'd get knocked out by Manny. it would be a battle for both of them.

here's hoping the boxing gods make it so.

I dont think PBF was trained by his dad, I think hes mostly been trained by his uncle. Whatever Floyd Mayweather SR was teaching Hatton did not suit his skillset and wound up hurting him in the long run. He might be a good trainer for some fighters, but a trainer has to develop a fighting strategy that best suits his fighters ability/skillsetEdited by: dwid

 

[JD074]

When Ricky fired his life long trainer, it was probably as big a mistake as when Wariner fired Clyde Hart.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Hart is the premiere 400m coach in the world. He was Michael Johnson's coach, he was Jeremy Wariner's coach, and when Wariner dumped him, he immediately coached Leshawn Merritt to an Olympic Gold. You can't say that about Billy Graham. I think he was right to change trainers. Perhaps he should've hired a different trainer than Mayweather, Sr., but that doesn't mean that he should've stuck with Graham. There are a few possibilities. Johnny Boy and Dwid mentioned a couple of these, but I'll reiterate:

1) Mayweather, Sr. isn't that good of a trainer.

2) Hatton was trained well but his old habits took over come fight night. His father was quoted as saying that Ricky said that "the heart took over the head" or something like that. He may have been mentally ill-equipped to follow through on a different approach. Lee Beard also said that it's difficult for him to perform because he is so anxious to please his fans.

3) He may not have had enough time to change. It's only his second fight with Mayweather, Sr., and his first against someone who can punch. He fought feather-fisted Malignaggi and then immediately fought one of the best boxers in the world. Not an easy transition.

4) Hatton simply isn't capable of improving and becoming a good defensive fighter. Whether it's hand-eye coordination, reflexes, can't teach an old dog new tricks, he's been in too many wars or his lifestyle has caught up to him, he's past his prime, etc.

Just to be clear, I'm not defending Mayweather, Sr. He's weird and obnoxious and I don't like him. This was undoubtedly the worse performance in Hatton's career. But it's a more nuanced issue than simply Graham > Mayweather, Sr. Personally, I think more white fighters should be open to changing trainers, but no trainer is a miracle worker.

 

[johnnyboy]

When Ricky fired his life long trainer, it was probably as big a mistake as when Wariner fired Clyde Hart.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Hart is the premiere 400m coach in the world. He was Michael Johnson's coach, he was Jeremy Wariner's coach, and when Wariner dumped him, he immediately coached Leshawn Merritt to an Olympic Gold. You can't say that about Billy Graham. I think he was right to change trainers. Perhaps he should've hired a different trainer than Mayweather, Sr., but that doesn't mean that he should've stuck with Graham. There are a few possibilities. Johnny Boy and Dwid mentioned a couple of these, but I'll reiterate:

1) Mayweather, Sr. isn't that good of a trainer.

2) Hatton was trained well but his old habits took over come fight night. His father was quoted as saying that Ricky said that "the heart took over the head" or something like that. He may have been mentally ill-equipped to follow through on a different approach. Lee Beard also said that it's difficult for him to perform because he is so anxious to please his fans.

3) He may not have had enough time to change. It's only his second fight with Mayweather, Sr., and his first against someone who can punch. He fought feather-fisted Malignaggi and then immediately fought one of the best boxers in the world. Not an easy transition.

4) Hatton simply isn't capable of improving and becoming a good defensive fighter. Whether it's hand-eye coordination, reflexes, can't teach an old dog new tricks, he's been in too many wars or his lifestyle has caught up to him, he's past his prime, etc.

Just to be clear, I'm not defending Mayweather, Sr. He's weird and obnoxious and I don't like him. This was undoubtedly the worse performance in Hatton's career. But it's a more nuanced issue than simply Graham > Mayweather, Sr. Personally, I think more white fighters should be open to changing trainers, but no trainer is a miracle worker.

great analysis.

cheers