Group loyalty

[White Shogun]

Here is an interesting paragraph from an article I was reading about the development of morals outside of religion. I thought it very apt to our discussions here on Castefootball.

A group in which the members show little signs of a common action of loyalty to each other, is most likely to be subjugated, or wiped out and replaced by a group in which the cohesion is greater and the subordination of purely individualistic tendencies to the welfare of the whole is greater.

I am of the mind that the white race has imposed a rising civilization on the rest of a humanity which is not ready to share its principles. White men seem to me to be more considerate of humanity and mankind as a unit, or whole, whereas other races are still of tribal mindset.

Since in this case the white race is subjugating its own survival to that of all humanity, the tribal groups, of which the rest of the world is composed, will overthrow the civilization of the white race, and perhaps in the process either eliminate it entirely or make its future influence negligible.

The only recourse that I see is for the white race to shake off the pacifistic, love-thy-neighbor-as-thyself nonsense of religion and assert itself as a tribe, restoring group unity and reasserting cooperation based on race and tribe first, not last or not at all.

But despite the small undercurrents visible in some parts of the world, I don't see this happening. I see the world becoming one big morass of seething humanity, mostly brown in color, with lowered standards of living throughout.

Its an interesting juxtaposition, one where mankind finds itself on the cusp of such great new understanding in the fields of quantum physics, and cloning, and other technological and scientific breakthroughs, yet cannot and will not keep pathological killers from spreading fatal diseases, stop crack addicts from fathering 15 children, and whole sale massacres of people of all races all around the world. Edited by: White Shogun

 

[Lord_Lugdreg]

The only recourse that I see is for the white race to shake off the pacifistic, love-thy-neighbor-as-thyself nonsense of religion and assert itself as a tribe, restoring group unity and reasserting cooperation based on race and tribe first, not last or not at all.

But despite the small undercurrents visible in some parts of the world, I don't see this happening.

The problem is not Religion in general, it is specifically judeo-christianity.

The White Race survived for thousands of years with the religion of Paganism (all the European Pagan religions are the same just with different names, check out this Link: Europe And Europe's Soul - By Varg Vikernes ) and it is only very recently with the spreading of the alien semitic poison of judeo-christianity (in particular Gal. 3:28 egalitarianism) that this unprecedented weakening has occured.

Things can't go on much longer as they have though and I would urge everyone to prepare for the Civil War 2: The Coming Breakup of America predicted by Thomas Chittum.

 

[JD074]

Great stuff, Shogun. Couldn't agree more. There are twp big problems that we have to address, or our societies will be taken over, relegating us to minorities throughout the Western World:

1) We must end our addiction to, and dependence on, cheap Third World labor. The White Man's obsession with cheap labor is his greatest sin. It's the reason why we have 30+ million blacks in America, and it's the reason for the Third World Invasion of the Western World. We have to kick this awful habit. (And who knows, maybe a scarcity of workers would also provide an impetus for the creation of labor-saving technology, which would be a great thing.)

2) We must fix our collapsing birth rates. Simple as that.

I am of the mind that the white race has imposed a rising civilization on the rest of a humanity which is not ready to share its principles.

Yes, all because of our demand for cheap labor. We never should have mingled with these peoples. So many of these problems could have been avoided if white explorers, settlers, etc., did all the work themselves (including developing technology to lighten the load.) And whenever they wanted a certain territory/ resources, they should've either tried voluntary trade with the people already there, or driven them out (like we did with the natives here in N. America, or the Mexicans in the Southwest.)

The only recourse that I see is for the white race to shake off the pacifistic, love-thy-neighbor-as-thyself nonsense of religion and assert itself as a tribe, restoring group unity and reasserting cooperation based on race and tribe first, not last or not at all.

Well said. I think small pockets of white people will do this, but unfortunately I don't see it happening on a grand scale, at least not anytime soon.The future could very well be large populations of brown peoples dominating the West, with Amish-like white people scattered throughout.

 

[Spooge]

It was not " Our demand for cheap labor" We, you and I did not
wish for cheap labor. It was foisted upon us. I'm sure you
would give up crappy Wal Mart (save for their white box ammo) products
made in China for some good old American made items. The market
brokers, merchant aliance, captains of industry along with
many administrations (republican included) have sold out our
birthright for a bowl of CHEAP stew.

 

[White Shogun]

Speaking of Chinese products, I can't believe the variety and sheer number of their goods on our shelves. Do we make anything anymore?

I'm serious.

Everything I see in the store has 'made in China' stamped on the bottom of it.

Personally I avoid Walmart as much as possible, but shopping at Target and KMart aren't much better. The small shops that have survived often offer the same foreign-made products as the chain stores, they just charge more.

I'm all for laissez-faire capitalism, and honestly I don't know enough about trade and tariffs to make a cogent argument either way. I just feel empty when I see that the bulk of goods on the shelves of a capitalist, free-trade nation have been put there by one of the remaining communist empires on the planet.

The way I see history, and most likely the future, is that the white race was not ought fought, nor conquered through force of arms, nay, but by simply being out-f***ed. If we as a race and nation(s) were not so adamant in pursuing salvation for others from their own folly, even being out-bred would not be a problem because nature would take its course and these would be eliminated. As it is, the rule today seems to be, he who makes the most babies, wins.

Our government has no qualm with supporting an unwed illegal alien mother with 8 chidren with your tax money. As long as we as a society are willing to do so, none of these people are forced to face the true consequences of their actions. We have benefits without consequence, achievement without reward, and penalty for performance, in this twilight-zone world we call Don King's America.

 

[JD074]

It was not " Our demand for cheap labor"  We, you and I did not
wish for cheap labor.  It was foisted upon us. 

Not you and I, but our ancestors (blacks in America) and the white people in charge today (Hispanics in America, Muslims in Europe.) We're paying for their mistakes.

 

[JD074]

I'm all for laissez-faire capitalism, and honestly I don't know enough about trade and tariffs to make a cogent argument either way.

I don't either but I will anyway!

From what I've read so far (and I'm just starting,) the main issue with free trade is the re-building of our manufacturing base. Libertarians and others make a lot of feel-good arguments about the "free flow of ideas and labor" and "what would America be like without Chinese food" and that sort of thing, but I haven't seen them address this issue. If tariffs on foreign- made goods could help resurrect our manufacturing base, I'm for it. (Of course we would also have to curb immigration so that when the jobs come back, they won't be given to Mexicans and Indians here instead of there.) I like Ravi Batra's idea of "competitive protectionism" (Myth of Free Trade.) A competitive domestic economy (as opposed to a stagnant one, which is what the Libertarians and free traders are afraid of,) with tariffs on foreign-made goods to prevent the hemorrhaging of manufacturing jobs. And of course foreign companies should be free to come here and build plants, factories, and offices, hire Americans, and compete with US-owned businesses. Why is the competition that a Japanese company that is located in Japan brings to our economy superior to the competition that it would bring if it were located here? I guess I don't get the free trade logic.

Laissez faire makes some sense when it's applied within our domestic marketplace (just like it makes some sense when applied to our own race, but not necessarily others.) But we're simply at a huge disadvantage trying to compete for jobs with workers in countries that have such terrible living standards and get paid next to nothing. We need decent wages. Also, in a domestic marketplace, there's one set of rules for everyone to follow. It's not fair that an American company that is located in America, hires Americans, and has to abide by the rules here in America, has to compete with an American company who hires workers in China, and can pretty much do whatever it wants to those workers there.

So we could slap tariffs on foreign-made goods, severely curb immigration, provide a business-friendly marketplace that entices companies, both American and foreign, to stay here, or come here (the FairTax that you posted about is one possible way to entice businesses to stay here instead of fleeing.) And there should be plenty of laissez faire competition to keep things honest, cheap, and efficient.

The way I see history, and most likely the future, is that the white race was not ought fought, nor conquered through force of arms, nay, but by simply being out-f***ed.

Yep. It's that combination of low birth rates and addiction to cheap labor that's really going to do us in.

Edited by: JD074

 

[jaxvid]

Another point in favor of tariffs is that American companies are forced to pay infastructure costs that foreign companies do not. Not only have domestic companies paid for roads, river improvements, rail roads, airport and ports, but also the tremendous bureaucracy to support all of that. Not to mention monies for the education and health of workers it is supposed to be hiring.

How is it fair that American companies have paid to provide Americans with a standard of living such that they can afford to buy all of those cheap chinese goods?

I know the free market approach, but that approach is based on the "fairness" of competition. To really be "fair" foreign companies should have to pay the difference in lifestyle costs which were "purchased" by the investments of our ancestors for us! not for someone else to come in without paying and realize the profits.

 

[Spooge]

"Yep. It's that combination of low birth rates and addiction to cheap labor that's really going to do us in.
"



Well I've done my share to fight againts low birth rates. I have
five sons. I also moved to Central Montana. There are no
Wal Marts, K Marts, or Targets in my town. We trade with " Mom
and Pop" store owners. It's a simple life , but it's worth it not
to see minions of illegal Hispanics crawling all over themselves
like they do in the southern and western states.

 

[White Shogun]

I thought you guys would appreciate an article supporting closed borders, from a *gasp*, Libertarian point of view.

Libertarian closed border policy

In my opinion, the point is well reasoned and can't really be argued against.

Let me know what you think.

 

[Lord_Lugdreg]

The way I see history, and most likely the future, is that the white race was not ought fought, nor conquered through force of arms, nay, but by simply being out-f***ed.

The same thing happened to the Romans. They were 'out reproduced' (is that even a term LOL!) by Barbarians.

[rant on]

(Also please note that the term Barbarian is NOT bad and is the name of a Germanic People. The same goes for Vandals who were a different 'tribe'.

The proper disparaging term for Racial Aliens is Savage which is what Indians were called. Even recently Vice President Cheney has called Iraqis Savages and didn't get any flack from the jewish neo-cons so that is the term that should be used IMO.)

[/rant off]

 

[Southern Knight]

White Shogun wrote: "Speaking of Chinese products, I can't believe the variety and sheer number of their goods on our shelves. Do we make anything anymore?"

Our dependence on Chinese-manufactured goods may have disastrous effects that are more than just economic; it may affect our ability to throw off the shackles of the federal government. In wartime, it is vital to have manufacturing plants that can be modified to produce munitions and materiel. No factories = no ability to produce arms. And this, I believe, is an intended effect of FedGov's push to remove manufacturing from this continent: it lessens the possibility for revolution.

Of course, the government has its defense contractors lined up to produce bullets to place into the backs of anyone who disagrees with them too strongly.

 

[backrow]

The way I see history, and most likely the future, is that the white race was not ought fought, nor conquered through force of arms, nay, but by simply being out-f***ed.

The same thing happened to the Romans. They were 'out reproduced' (is that even a term LOL!) by Barbarians.

[rant on]

(Also please note that the term Barbarian is NOT bad and is the name of a Germanic People. The same goes for Vandals who were a different 'tribe'.

The proper disparaging term for Racial Aliens is Savage which is what Indians were called. Even recently Vice President Cheney has called Iraqis Savages and didn't get any flack from the jewish neo-cons so that is the term that should be used IMO.)

[/rant off]

barbarian came from Greek barbaros meaning: foreign people, it never used to be derigatory

 

[White Shogun]

White Shogun wrote: "Speaking of Chinese products, I can't believe the variety and sheer number of their goods on our shelves. Do we make anything anymore?"

Our dependence on Chinese-manufactured goods may have disastrous effects that are more than just economic; it may affect our ability to throw off the shackles of the federal government. In wartime, it is vital to have manufacturing plants that can be modified to produce munitions and materiel. No factories = no ability to produce arms. And this, I believe, is an intended effect of FedGov's push to remove manufacturing from this continent: it lessens the possibility for revolution.

Of course, the government has its defense contractors lined up to produce bullets to place into the backs of anyone who disagrees with them too strongly.

The problem is it can also hamper fedgov's ability to wage war, should the host countries of our manufacturing base turn against us. One good example, I read a report that stated we no longer have a facility in this country to produce combat boots. All the boots that shod the feet of our soldiers are made overseas.

 

[SteveB]

I am going to have to disagree with you all on this one. If you want to know why everything is made overseas, all Americans must look in the mirror at themselves. Be honest, if you are in any store and there are two products sitting on the shelf, 90% of you are going to select the least expensive product. It's human nature, just like negotiating a lower price on a new car. People want to get the most for their money.

With unemployment lower than 5% as it is, if all of the products made in China were made here, who would do the work. Talk about having an immigration problem. The same comments were made 30 years ago about Japanese products, now even the Japanese are having all of their products made in China.
Edited by: SteveB

 

[Colonel_Reb]

I'd rather see a repeat of the Crusades than see Christianity be gotten rid of. You let Christianity disappear in favor of anything else, and white society will crumble.

 

[jaxvid]

I am going to have to disagree with you all on this one. If you want to know why everything is made overseas, all Americans must look in the mirror at themselves. Be honest, if you are in any store and there are two products sitting on the shelf, 90% of you are going to select the least expensive product. It's human nature, just like negotiating a lower price on a new car. People want to get the most for their money.

The prices on the Chinese goods should be higher as we mentioned by using tariffs to equalize the cost associated with manufacturing and selling in the US.

 

[White Shogun]

You let Christianity disappear in favor of anything else, and white society will crumble.

I think the goody two shoes, help your fellow man at your own expense philosophy of Christianity is bringing about the fall of the white man, not propping it up. Christian religious organizations are leading the way in the resettlement of third world refugees into the United States. Church are 'no-go' zones for immigration officers, they aid and abet illegal immigration with impunity.

The Christian right is also instrumental to the United States' adherence of the fanatical, Israel - right or wrong, foreign policy. Without the support of such types, I doubt that our policy would be as staunchly pro-Israeli as it is.

As I've seen your views expressed on the forum here, Col. Reb, I feel (unfortunately) that only a small minority of Christians feel as you do.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

After talking with other Christians on these issues, I believe it is a bigger group than you may think, WS; but it is disheartening to see so many more worried about people's problems overseas than here in our own yard. As for aiding illegal immigration, I have never seen that once in all the churches I have been in, but I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I think many of these people may not be Christians, or if they are they have been influenced by the liberal multicultural worldview. What they are doing ain't love thy neighbor, it's worldwide welfare.
"If any would not work, neither should he eat."
II Thessalonians 3:10

 

[White Shogun]

Reb, the USA is a big country so I don't doubt that our experiences, formed in different places and among different people, are both true, though contradictory.

I would rather that you be right, than I.

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Reb, the USA is a big country so I don't doubt that our experiences, formed in different places and among different people, are both true, though contradictory.

I would rather that you be right, than I.

You may be right about our experiences, WS.

 

[Lord_Lugdreg]

Here is a good basic article that includes many of the reasons some are hostile (I myself am VERY hostile) to judeo-christiantiy.

Christianity, Pro and Con: I. How Christianity Harms the Race II. A Defense of the Faith

Edited by: Lord_Lugdreg

 

[SteveB]

The prices on the Chinese goods should be higher as we mentioned by using tariffs to equalize the cost associated with manufacturing and selling in the US.

Tariffs sound good on the surface, but they are just another hidden tax that is paid by the consumer. As if we aren't taxed enough already. When everyone was debating NAFTA, the protectionist said there would "a giant sucking sound" of jobs moving to Mexico. If that were only true, we wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.

 

[JD074]

Be honest, if you are in any store and there are two products sitting on the shelf, 90% of you are going to select the least expensive product.

Of course. Even if that product is made by 12 year old Chinese girls for pennies an hour. But I hate this argument that free trade is good for the consumer even when it's so clearly bad for the worker. The consumer and the worker is the same person.

With unemployment lower than 5% as it is, if all of the products made in China were made here, who would do the work.

People who had to take crappy service jobs (like retail and restaurants) because they got laid off.

Talk about having an immigration problem. The same comments were made 30 years ago about Japanese products, now even the Japanese are having all of their products made in China.

Indeed, China is a much different animal than Japan. And Japan is having many of the same problems that we're having (like low birth rates and an aging population.)

 

[JD074]

Tariffs sound good on the surface, but they are just another hidden tax that is paid by the consumer. As if we aren't taxed enough already.

If I were in power, and of course I'm not, I would start by replacing most taxes (income, payroll, SS, Medicare, capital gains, etc.) with a national retail sales tax (one version of which is called "FairTax," as discussed in another thread.) If that did enough to relieve American businesses of their tax burdens, maybe it would be enough to reverse much of the outsourcing. If not, I would implement tariffs on foreign-made goods.

I would also drastically reduce government spending (get rid of all the pork, end the War in Iraq, get rid of the Education/ Agriculture/ Labor/ other Departments, privatize SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, end all foreign aid, withdraw our troops from most foreign lands, like South Korea, etc.) That way the sales tax would be much less than the "revenue neutral" 30% (tax-exclusive rate, 23% tax-inclusive) suggested by the FairTax guys.

Eliminating the tax burden on businesses would help with the prices of goods since consumers would no longer be burdened with "embedded taxes" (taxes that businesses pay that get passed on to the consumer.) A 10-20% sales tax would be a lot less than the embedded taxes that Americans are paying now. Obviously a higher average tariff would add to that. I don't know how much more the tariffs + a NRST would be than the current embedded taxes. I would love to see a mathematician or economist crunch the numbers.

I would put the NRST ahead of tariffs though. If I had to pick one.

When everyone was debating NAFTA, the protectionist said there would "a giant sucking sound" of jobs moving to Mexico. If that were only true, we wouldn't have an illegal immigration problem.

It's outsourcing and "insourcing." We outsource to China and India, but we still have Chinese and Indians coming here in droves. There's more than enough of them to take our jobs there and here, at the same time.