Green in Culpepper out

White Power

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For once the caste system worked in reverse Trent Green will be miami's starting quarterbcak while Dante Culpepper will be unemployed at least for now. If you look at the Dolphins roster they are much more white now than they were under the caste negroe loving whore Nick the prick Saban. Green knows the offense, and he will be the stater until john Beck is ready to play. Now I can truly be happy that Culpepper is gone because he really sucks as a quarterback without Randy Moss to bail him out on broken plays. This should make everyone on this board extremely happy. I know that I am estactic about the change. I think saban bringing in Culpepper last year was the reason he went back to college. He proved how much of and idiot he really was last year The dolphins could of signed Drew Brees without giving up any draft picks. On the bright side at least Dante's career in miami is OVER.Edited by: White Power
 

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I don't disagree with you at all, but Saban bringing in Culpepper was unanimously hailed by everyone -- writers, fans, coaches. I don't recall a single fan or media person saying the Dolphins should have signed Brees instead of "C-Pep." And while Culpepper looks to be sinking into oblivion, the same people for years to come will be singing the praises of Vince Young, Jason Campbell, Tavarious Jackson, JaMarcus Russell, and whatever black quarterbacks end up being drafted early in '08.


Saban is a particularly noxious Caste fanatic, but it's only a matter of a fewdegrees separating him from the rest of the pastors of the religion known as the NFL andtheir followers; whileothers are just as bad if not worse.
 

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Don wassell we need to cheer every victory no matter how slight I think it's only a matter of time before the NFL figures out that their bread and butter will be the white players who will mostly be identified with the overall fan base of the leauge. The fact that an aging white player can upsurp a younger black player who is not better does my heart good. Throw in Roger Goodell's new policy on behavior and more and more whites will play in the leauge, because black athletes don't know how to behave when thrust into the spot light. That is just a common fact.
 

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I called this months ago. I live in Miami and when the Dolphins signed Culpepper a year ago, everyone heralded him as the man who would take the Dolphins to the promised land. I was one of the few people here in the Miami area who realized what a huge mistake it was for them to sign this guy instead of Brees. Look who was right and look who was wrong

John Beck is going to be the real deal. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST! and Trent Green is the perfect guy to mentor himEdited by: Lance Alworth
 

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If Culpepper hadn't blown out his knee and then been unable to recover, he'd have been given years as the starter. I'm glad to see the Green trade finally done, and even happier to see Saban out of Miami, but I've been watching the league for too long, and know how important the Caste System is not only to the NFL but the Powers That Be in general to think this is going to change anything.
 

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Don Wassall said:
If Culpepper hadn't blown out his knee and then been unable to recover, he'd have been given years as the starter.

I dont know about that Don. I mean, I might be a little overly optimistic here, but I have a feeling that Cam Cameron knew that Culpepper wouldn't be the guy to lead this team in the future. You see, Cam Cameron is a quarterback guru and his offense is somewhat complex. Culpepper has never been known as a "smart" QB and even the biggest caste-system proponents would have to agree that he doesn't fit Camerons offense at all. Plus, who would you rather have mentor John Beck, Culpepper or Green? The biggest caste-whores will even tell you Green would be better suited for that. Of course they wont tell you the real reason why that is cough*GreeniswhiteCulpepperisblack*cough
 

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I have to disagree a little bit here. Imho, Culpepper is one of the few black QBs who actually lived up to the hype. Actually, Culpepper may be the only black QB in history to have been a little underrated. This guy threw for 33 TDs and ran for 7 more in his second season in the league. That's pretty good, no matter how you look at it. He also had a season where he ran for 10 TDs, and then had a monster year in 2004, with 39 TD passes and almost 5000 yards. That's one of the best passing seasons in the history of the NFL. Yes, he had Randy Moss, but we have to be fair; do we credit Peyton Manning's success to Marvin Harrison, who has been a much more consistent #1 WR than Moss ever was? And in Culpepper's biggest season (2004), Moss was hurt and missed the final 3 games of the season. He caught only 49 passes for 767 yards. Culpepper threw for just about 4000 yards to recievers other than Moss that season.

I have no special liking for Culpepper, and no one takes a backseat to me when it comes to criticizing the media's fawning over black QBs, and the double standard that applies to them. However, I think we lose credibility when we lump in guys like Culpepper, who did a fine job for most of his tenure in Minnesota, or Donovan McNabb, who has been as good as almost any QB for the past several seasons, with the likes of Mike/Michael Vick, Byron Leftwich, Tavarious Jackson, Jason Campbell, Quincy Carter, David Garrard, etc. I believe it is possible for a black to play QB at a high level, just as we all believe it is possible for many whites to play at high levels at every position, including verboten ones like RB and CB.

Finally, it is ironic that Culpepper achieved the kind of remarkable numbers he did in Minnesota without the same kind of hype that almost every other black QB has recieved from the jock-sniffers in the media. His stats should have garnered the kind of ridiculous praise that Mike/Michael Vick gets when he dives into the end zone from a yard out, or completes a ten yard pass. Culpepper WAS the black QB the media has been dreaming of for many years, but they never really fawned over him, for whatever reason. We also should remember that Culpepper began life in the worst way possible; he was born in prison (mother a prisoner). Despite this, to my knowledge, he has committed no crimes, and seems to be a pretty decent fellow. I know these may not be popular sentiments here, but I think in the name of fairness that someone should point them out. Just my two cents worth.
 

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I did forget about the "Love Boat" incident. I think you'll have to acknowledge, however, that was pretty small stuff when compared to the normal crimes and escapades these players are involved in.
 

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Bigunreal, you are certainly correct in stating that Duante had serveral NFL seasons worthy of any great QB. Statistically speaking, of course, seeing as they were awful in the playoffs. Also, he does seem like a nice person (aside from the love boat scandal, which was more funny than anything). What I don't understad about the media's unbiased love for the "new breed of QB's," is the ones in which they choose to adamantly stand behind. For instance, Vick's Falcons have gotten worse and worse since losing NFC championship game to the Eagles a couple seasons ago. However, Vick is more popular than ever (despite his coutless legal issues) among fans young and old. Only as of the past couple months, have the fans turned on him, and the media actually ran negative stories about him. Culpepper was honestly a great QB (for 2-3 seasons), but guys like Vick, Leftwich, Jackson, and Gerrard simply don't have what it takes. As for the media not endlessly fawning over Culpepper, you're right (though I saw Dante in several commercials/endorsement adds) he never 1/100th the attention of Michael Vick.
 

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I watched Culpepper here in Orlando before he turned pro. He wracked up massive stats against bad teams and fell apart against major college teams. Some of that had to do with the rest of the UCF team not able to compete well against the bigger teams also. Some was because of his terrible choices made. I got so tired of hearing the local media talk as if he could walk on water. I think I would have disliked him whether he was white or black, but then he would not have been hyped as much if he were white.
 

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A couple of observations about Culpepper. He was one of those players whose stats looked better than the actual results. He was a fantasy football "stud" but the Vikings werenot a greatteam with Culpepperstarting.


He also stepped into agreat situation, with Moss and Cris Carter to throw to and Robert Smith running the ball. He also had a tremendous pass-blocking offensive line. I don't think any quarterback has ever had the time to throw the ball that Culpepper consistently did during most of his tenure with the Vikings. When the line fell off in quality a bit, and Moss left, Culpepper looked pretty ordinary, especially so under pressure, fumbling, throwing picks,and being sacked with the best (worst) of them. Once the running ability left -- andit wasn't going to last for longwith him playing at a ridiculous 265 pounds -- he was exposed as lacking as a pocket quarterback, just like with so many other black QBs.


Culpepperdidn't get close to the hype that Vick did, but he garnered plenty. I remember in 2000, his first year as a starter, the intro to a Sunday night game had a five-minute piece on Culpepper as the prototype of the "new" quarterback of the then-new century. ESPN and the usual suspects featured plenty of puff pieces on Culpepper. Here's Daunte playing video games, there's Daunte talking about his friendship with Randy Moss, etc., etc.


He also did a lot of whining once things started to go south. He came across as an ingrate who forced the Vikings to let him go. If he was smart he would have played at much less weight, but then again he never came across as very smart to put it gently.
 

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Yes..Culpepper is WAY too overrated..

I have watched this guy because I am a Vikings fan and I can't believe how much he sucks. He is a chronic fumbler , he chokes, and he never ,ever leads a 4th quarter comeback like the great ones do. Game management, forget it as Daunte is always trying to get his "roll" on-painful so don't ask.

His career year-2004- was as flukey as you could get. We have no running game whatsoever, Mike Bennett and Moe Williams, so we never tried to run the ball in when we got close so majority of passing TDs were against crap teams (5 each against Texans and Saints) on short jump balls to Moss!

I thought I would create a +/- stat for Touchdowns Minus Interceptions minus Fumbles lost. We will call it +/- TD/Int/QB Fumble

Here is TD/Int/QB Fumble for various QB's

Palmer +18
Leftwich -3
Brady +24
Manning +105(fricking impressive)
Brees +17
Favre +37(last couple of years have killed him)
Hasselbeck +20
Brad Johnson! +14
Trent Green +12
McNair +2
McNabb +36(the only real good black QB)
Vick -28(ouch)

Where is the new age QB fall in this key stat?

Culpepper -10

Daunte Culpepper should be a backup in this league.Edited by: voice
 

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Wow, very telling stat, voice. Really shows the difference right there in uh, black and white!
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Good stuff!
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Winnipeg in CFl tried to contact him! lol if Culpepper go to CFL I'll laugh 'cause he will be SO bad. In the CFL you need to be agile and a dual threat(Culpepper was but not now)Quincy Carter was ridiculous when he tried the Montreal Alouettes camp, and he quit 'cause he wasn't able to sucess in the CFL format who is axed on pass.
 
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The problem with Culpepper is that whenever he was out (due to injury or simply sucky play) the white replacement matched or even exceeded his performance (Bouman, Frerotte, B. Johnson). The guy had perhaps the most fragile ego I have ever seen from a professional athelete, and he was the epitomy of a fair weather player. He was great when things were going great and folded at the first sign of adversity. I saw almost every game he played as a Viking and I can count on 1 or 2 fingers the number of times he led the team from behind to victory.
 

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reclaimsocal said:
The problem with Culpepper is that whenever he was out (due to injury or simply sucky play) the white replacement matched or even exceeded his performance (Bouman, Frerotte, B. Johnson).

Dont forget Joey Harrington
 

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That goes without saying. It's difficult to even imagine how oppressed Daunte must feel right about now.
 

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Good riddance. Culpepper was average in his prime, and those days are long past.

Those stats on Manning are no surprise to me. I wonder how he would factor in against some of the all time greats using that formula?
 

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Dull/Cry/Fumblepepper better get over it. I'm glad the system finally worked for one of our guys, or should I say, against itself.
 
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