Gonzalez, Colts....

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  1. kissthefuture

    kissthefuture Newbie

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    Anyone catch the highlight of Manning to Gonzalez against Minnesota?

    Did any of you catch J.B. call him a tight end in calling the play? Haha, I guess a black man can't fathom that a white guy can catch a ball and be a wide receiver.[​IMG]
     
  2. ToughJ.Riggins

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    Welcome to the site kissthefuture! Yes the white Gonz is a great player, but certainly not a TE. He had a big week. Yes, I've seen announcers mistake a white WR for a TE a few times before, but things are beginning to change a little I think.
     
  3. kissthefuture

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    Thanks for the welcome.
     
  4. backrow

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    from rotoworld:

    Peyton Manning said "I can throw anything to Anthony Gonzalez with my eyes closed."

    That's music to the ears of fantasy owners. Gonzo is in line for a ton of targets and catches from Manning this season as he is the official No. 2 option for the first time. It would be hard for Gonzalez not to have a career year.

    SOURCE: SI.COM

    he also mentions Collie working out of a slot.
     
  5. whiteathlete33

    whiteathlete33 Hall of Famer

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    Please don't tell me Pierre Garcon is going to be the #3 receiver instead of Austin Collie. The depth chart shows that at this point.
     
  6. referendum

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    The few reports I've read are suggesting that things are still unsettled, but that both Garcon and Collie will be in the mix. I'm also intrested to see if an increidible third white wide receiver will make the team.
     
  7. dwid

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    you can see clearly that Collie is better than Garcon from watching the game. Garcon should be a 5th receiver at best, dont they use him on returns or something? I dont remember him catching a pass, just dropping it.
     
  8. FootballDad

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    I just noticed that Gonzalez is getting another opinion on his knee, the thought is that it might be a tear rather than a sprain. In the meantime, Colts fans are making amazing comments that I thought I would never see from the DWF club. They comments that without Gonzo, they're in trouble, cover Wayne, Collie, and Clark, and that leaves "hit or miss" Garcon or (heaven forbid) Baskett.
     
  9. Kaptain

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    Sounds like Gonzalez may play this week. Details as to how much are still pending.
     
  10. Don Wassall

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    He was placed on IR today. A completely lost season for him.
     
  11. Jimmy Chitwood

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    the negrophiles at ESPN takecheap, potshots at White athletes every chance they get ... in the most recent, they manage to insult Anthony Gonzalez AND Austin Collie in one blurb. [​IMG]

    so even if Gonzalez recovers, there's no way he'll be any good. [​IMG]and Austin Collie, who caught 13 more balls and 3 more touchdowns than Garcon, was a lesser performer. [​IMG]

    the caste system never lets up. so we must never give up, either.
     
  12. Kaptain

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    Gonzalez was a number one draft pick who waited his turn and played the slot reciever for two years - winning the superbowl one of those two. In his last season in the slot his numbers were similar to Garcon's season in the #2. IMO, Collie is the best of all three of them, but it is truly ridiculous that Gonzalez must now step aside to Garcon.

    Through the years white recievers have filled in for injured black recievers and at times done outstanding. In every single instance when the black starter returned, the white fill-in was given a slap on the back, a "good job filling in", and sent back to the bench.
     
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    Sometimes they don't even get to play until the injured starter returns, the coaches endlessly search for some scrub to replace a good white player who is performing well. I remember in 1996. Robert Brooks, one of the Packers starting outside receivers hurt his knee halfway through the season at the beginning of a game against San Fransisco, Don Beebe stepped up and had 11 receptions for 220 yards, but was never considered good enough to be more than a "# 3 receiver and special teams guy"

    Here is all I can find about the situation from a Packers site

    "the preseason favorites were playing every bit the part...that is, until
    #1 wide receiver Robert Brooks tore his right knee into two or three
    pieces and went on the IR list. Like any GM after the trade deadline,
    Wolf gave Mike Holmgren time to see if the team could compensate for the
    loss.



    But a 2-2 record dropped the team to 8-3 and doubts were beginning to
    creep in. Don Beebe, so instrumental on special teams and as a #3
    receiver, was unable to play at the level of a starter, and the Packers'
    offense began to sputter. With the trade deadline past, Wolf found any
    options to upgrade the position very limited: most players available
    off the street weren't going to outplay Beebe, and that wasn't going to
    be good enough."

    "Except for the troubled Andre Rison, he of the infamous burning house by
    his ex-girlfriend only a few years prior. Off-the-field issues haunted him in Atlanta, and followed him to his
    short stints in Cleveland and Jacksonville."

    "But he was also the only receiver available that would legitimately
    upgrade the receiving corps, and Wolf felt it was worth the risk to the
    locker room. "

    According to this site Rison was an instrumental part of why the Packers went on to do so well and won the Superbowl. His stats with the Packers for the last 5 regular season games were 13 catches for 135 yards, Beebe during that time, despite rarely seeing the field had 10 catches for 142 yards. Rison did a little better in the playoffs, averaging 46 yards per game, but not that much of an impact player.

    Apparently they were searching for anyone to play outside receiver besides Don Beebe, who had 18 catches for 349 yards in the 3 games he was allowed to get significant time, ( btw they won those 3 games). The 200 yard performance was when he was lined up as the number 1 wideout, but I guess he "just wasn't good enough to play as a starter" but apparently Rison was, with his impressive 2 catches for 14 yards against Chicago, or his 1 catch for 7 yards against Denver, yes, that is how a true "starter" performs.
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  14. Don Wassall

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    Unfortunately Gonzalez is reminiscent of the league's many perpetually injured black players.

    According to ESPN.com's John Clayton, Anthony Gonzalez's left knee injury is to the PCL after taking a "cheap shot" from Texans SS Bernard Pollard Monday night. ESPN.com agrees with the Indianapolis Star's speculation that Gonzalez will miss significant time, perhaps the rest of the season, with the injury. A PCL injury and subsequent complications to his right knee in 2009 kept Gonzalez out 15 games. Expect Austin Collie to play the slot in Week 9, with Blair White staying in the fourth receiver role.
     
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    A once promising career, the extremely rare White receiver to be drafted in the first round, Anthony Gonzalez now has a bleak future in the NFL after having a second straight season wiped out by injury.

    Colts placed WR Anthony Gonzalez (knee) on injured reserve, ending his season. It's the second year in a row that a PCL injury has taken away a significant portion of Gonzalez's season. For now, rookie Blair White will take over as the team's No. 4 wide receiver. We don't know when or if Gonzalez will undergo surgery on the knee, but it's a big blow to Gonzalez's longterm future with the team regardless of what happens.
     
  16. whiteathlete33

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    I always wonder why the best white athletes at receiver end up with poor careers. Gonzalez is dealing with injuries, Jeremy Bloom has world class speed and isn't in the league, Jones is screwed, and Kevin Curtis never became the star he should have.
     
  17. foobar75

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    Gonzales appears to be a classic under-achiever at this point. He's a very talented player, a rare white WR who has been allowed to play on the outside, but he's been unable to reach his true potential due to a number of injuries the last 2 seasons.

    Indy now has a crowded receiving corps, with Wayne, Collie, Garcon, White, plus their talented group of TEs lead by Dallas Clark. Gonzales' history of injuries won't help his cause as each year goes by and he gets older, but I hope he can go to another team, get an opportunity and turn things around. He'll be 27 when the 2011 season starts, so if he can somehow stay healthy, 3-4 more productive years are not out of the question.
     
  18. Jimmy Chitwood

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    i would disagree. he's played well when healthy. the only knock on Gonzalez that i think is legitimate is that he can't stay healthy.

    i understand that the injuries were fluke things and they are beyond his control, but that's the way life happens sometimes. his lack of playing time due to them is a legitimate issue.

    i hate it for him, because his injuries have shelved an otherwise talented, productiveathlete. but if you can't show up for work, in the real world most of us would lose our jobs.
     

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