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  1. Spooge

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    Yet again a core of elite aff a leets proved that speed and color don't
    make for the best recievers. Brett Farve made many good throws to
    his dark stars and they caught some, missed some, dropped some and let
    one get taken away (long return, set up a touch down or field goal for
    the other team.) Not one of his " weapons" displayed any
    frustration for flubbing the passes. Typical caste type reaction,
    they alomost appeared offended cause Favre didn't catch it for them
    too. It was refreashing to see Favre chewing out one reciever on
    the sidelines after he had a ball literally taken out of his
    hands.
     
  2. KG2422

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    It sucks to see him out there without any help.
     
  3. Southern Knight

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    It is painful to watch a future Hall of Famer surrounded by a much inferior cast. Green Bay is lousy in virtually all facets of the game -- I've rarely seen more dropped passes, butterfinger fumbles, missed tackles, and blown coverages as the Packers displayed against Carolina. You can see the frustration in Favre's face as he watches the Packers' defense embarass themselves play after play.
     
  4. White Shogun

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    I made the mistake of tuning in to Colin Cowturd's show on ESPN Radio this morning. I have to stop doing that; my blood pressure sky rockets every time he opens his mouth. At any rate, he was up to his usual BS, praising Vick (and McNabb) while badmouthing Brett Favre. He continued his old schtick that Favre should retire, he is costing his team wins, blah blah blah. So I thought it would be interesting to run an actual stats comparison of Favre v Vick, and Culpepper, just for fun.

    First, let's look at Favre's first five years in the NFL, compared to Vick's first five:

    Favre = 63 games, 2,149 ATT, 1,342 COMP, 14,825 YDS, 108 TDS, 66 INT; RUSH YDS 797, TDS 7

    Vick = 47 games, 1,032 ATT, 556 COMP, 7,114 YDS, 40 TDS, 28 INT; RUSH YDS 2,456, TDS 14

    Favre played in 16 more games over 5 years, or one whole season more than Vick, because of his durability.

    Favre's completion percentage was 62.4%, or 7.6% higher than Vicks. Favre's INT % was .03 per attempt, while Vick's is .027 per attempt, almost as high yet despite throwing the ball less than half as often as Favre.

    Favre gained 15,622 yards combined passing & rushing; Vick has gained 9,570 combined. Put another way, Favre gained 247.9 yds per game, Vick 203.6.

    Favre earned 1.8 TD per game; Vick 1.14.

    Now, let's look at Favre's LAST five years, since Vick has been in the league:

    GAMES 68
    ATT 2,231 COMP 1,410 or 63%, YDS 16,069
    TDS 130, INT 77
    RUSH YDS 217, TDS 1

    So, in the LAST five years of his now washed-up career, Favre has outgained Vick 16,286 total yards to 9,570; he has 131 TDS versus 54 TDS combined for Vick; and his INT per attempt is .034, which is the only stat in which he is actually worse than Vick, but again, this is in more than twice as many attempts.

    Now, let's take a look at Culpepper's last five years. How many times have you heard someone say Culpepper should retire?

    GAMES 61
    ATT 2,050 COMP 1,329, or 64.8%, same as Favre's, YDS 15,680
    TDS 100, INT 68
    RUSH YDS 1,927, TDS 22

    TOTAL YDS 17,607, TOTAL TDS 122, INT % .033

    So in his last five years, the starting QB of the Minnesota Vikings, with Randy Moss and crew, threw for more yards, but less TDs and the same INT % as Favre.

    If you throw in fumbles, Culpepper turned the ball over more than both Favre and Vick, despite all the negative publicity that Favre receives for throwing INTs.

    But Favre should retire, right? He is not what he used to be, I'll grant you that, but he is still as good as Vick and Culpepper, easily.

    Even at the end of his career.
     
  5. Spooge

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    I don't know why everyone keeps saying Favre is at the end of his
    usfulness. He is still very productive (he would have pulled the
    game out last night if not for Driver) and no amount of athleticism
    makes up for his experiance and abliltiy to read and react to
    defenses. If and when Favre retires it will be his choice, not
    becuse he can't play anymore. Now if Brett should choose to leave
    his current sh itty team, there are many organizations that he improve
    on the spot. Old school quarterbacks (and Brett is a throw back)
    played far past their prime and remained productive. Oh, but
    thats when there were more white supporting players back then
    (recievers that knew how to come back to a quarterback on a busted
    play, etc.)
     
  6. whiteCB

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    Farve has got at least 3 good seasons left in him. Every year for the past 3 years its benn the same story. The media says Farve should hang it up then he leads his team to the playoffs and throws for over 3,000 and over 20 TDs. Kepp in mind Farve is playing in the NFC North the worst division in football and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he makes the playoffs. And white shogun why are you listening to that ESPN B.S. morning show. Those idiots have no idea of what they are talking about and just love giving Vick BJs.
     
  7. Colonel_Reb

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    It was sad seeing Favre not have anyone who he could depend on to catch the ball. Even John Madden commented on it. It is clear that he is frustrated at this lack of talent. I don't blame him either. Green Bay seems to be doing nothing to better the situation either.
     
  8. White Shogun

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    Call it "show prep." Gives me plenty of material to post about on the boards here.[​IMG]
     
  9. jaxvid

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    What really matters is the fantasy football value of a player. Favre is fourth in the Caste Football league, Culpepper is 43rd and Vick 55th overall. HA!
     
  10. White Shogun

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    ESPN writer Greg Garber has an article describing the current demise of the Packers, who haven't faced a losing season going back 13 years to Mike Holgrem's arrival in Green Bay. Which, why coincidentally enough, was the Favre's sophomore year in the NFL.

    Even with a future Hall of Famer like Favre quarterbacking the franchise, Garber still finds a way to credit Mike Holgrem with the Packer's winning records throughout his tenure with the team.

    To his credit though, he writes that the Packer's present dilemna is less about Favre and more about his starting cast. He even throws a disparaging remark or two Donald Driver's way, saying that the receiver has let Favre down.

    For the full article, see:

    Favre article
     
  11. Kaptain

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    I heard Joe Theismann say that the Packer's new coach should have forced Favre to retire or leave the team. Kornhieser, to his credit, argued with Theismann and defended Farve.
    Later I heard several other ESPN talking heads say that if Favre doesn't perform in the first couple of games that he should be replaced by Rogers.
    BTW, not one word about Steve McNair being forced to retire only unwavering praise because the Ravens finally got a "real quarterback".

    Gimme a freakin break! When was the last time McNair, Vick, Culpepper, McNabb, Brooks, Ron Mexico actually had a good year? It's been at least two years since any of those guys did anything yet they are all the unquestioned starters for life. None of those guys come close to Brett Favre's greatness. [​IMG] Edited by: Kaptain Poop
     
  12. Don Wassall

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    Brett announced today that he's playing in 2007. I know Favre has his detractors among CF supporters, but I think it's great news. Now the media can leave Brett alone and double their efforts to egg Roger Clemens into retiring.


    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2752040
     
  13. White Shogun

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    I knew Favre was a good quarterback, but I wasn't aware just 'how good' he really is. Dan Patrick was discussing Favre on ESPN radio today, and noted the following facts about Brett Favre (I don't recall the exact numbers):

    Favre is within a few touchdown of breaking Dan Marino's all-time touchdown record.

    Favre is within 3900 yards of breaking Dan Marino's all-time passing yardage record.

    Favre is within a few games of breaking John Elway's all-time victories record.

    Favre has the most consecutive starts by a quarterback in NFL history.

    Favre will also likely break George Blanda's all-time record for interceptions, too.

    Most pundits say that to be considered among the greatest quarterbacks of all time, a quarterback must have won a Super Bowl. I'd say that a case could be made that Brett Favre is THE greatest quarterback to ever play the game, particularly in the event that he breaks the aforementioned records held by Marino and Elway. Unlike Marino, Favre did win a Super Bowl, and lost another.

    Your thoughts?
     
  14. Run Stuffing LB

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    Favre is certainly one of the best of all time. All these calls for retirement are ridiculous. If the Green Bay receiving corp wasn't so awful he'd be putting up huge numbers.

    I think the Packers are on the right track in terms of recovering from the 2005 nightmare, so why not stay on another year and maybe have another playoff run?

    Also, back-up Aaron Rogers is not ready, to say the least.
     
  15. Colonel_Reb

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    I'm glad Favre is coming back. He'll shut the mouths of the critics for a while. Anytime someone says he should retire, I always bring up McNair and how he's in the same boat but nobody wants a "magnificent leader" like him to retire. I can't wait to see Brett play again. Here's to the man from Kiln!

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  16. Deadlift

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    Brett Favre is still relevant in Green Bay!! Two Super Bowl appearances, one victory and one defeat.

    And, to think, the MSM was super-eager to "erase him".. :biggrin:
     
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    They could have used his spark last night, flat all game.
     
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    Rodgers hadn't played a snap in 3 weeks before that game, and it showed.
     
  19. Don Wassall

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    Rodgers never came close to getting injured all season, yet still sat out Week 17. My guess is that after this, more teams with a bye will play their starters in meaningless final games of the season, at least through the first two or three quarters. Keeping a player fresh for the playoffs is better than sitting him because of the slight chance of injury.
     

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