Europeans in boxing

[Guest]

Conn was better than Robinson.Tunney was a better defensive boxer then Johnson-but Johnson was a very good defensive boxer Choyenski taught Johnson well.Dempsey would have walked right though Johnson however.Clay had some good Irish blood without that he would have been like Buster Mathis.

Conn better then SRR ???


SRR had a 101 KO's in his carreer more KO's then Conn had fights. SRR went his first 40 fight undefeated Conn LOST in his first 40 fights .after the loss to Lamotta SRR went on a 91 fight win streak again more fights then Conn had And before you say that SRR lost 19 times 16 of those losses occured after 1955 when SRR had slipped slightly after his comeback. Never compare Conn with the Greatest ever again and b.t.w Conn lost 11 times SRR lost 19 times in 205 fights in a 30 carreer.


Tunney was Good Johnson was better at defense


Ali was only 1/8 Irish not that it really matters


Educated again

 

[Guest]

The Boxing writers association voted him the greatest lightheavy weight of all time. The Associated press voted him in the top ten fighters of the century. If the liberal media gave him these awards that says a lot. Strange many people have not heard of Conn but we hear of the Welterweight great SRR instead.

Pleazze everybody who is is not a casual fan of boxing has heard of Conn. And yes Conn was an alltime great but SRR was the best P4P of alltime. Conn was'nt even the best LHW in my opinion Gene Tunney Archie Moore Micheal Spinks Bob Foster where all better at LHW then Conn.


And at WW SRR was truly the best of alltime SRR did not lose at WW in91 fights thats more fights then Conn had.


And no Lewisis not overrated neither is Jack Johnson.


Lewis had on of the best carreers of alltime


Johnson was the best Defensive fighter of alltime and him being able to win the title in the times that he lived in is a pretty big acomplishment in its own right.

So since Johnson won the title in what some consider a biased era, that makes him the greatest? In thatcase, Klitschko should also be number one, since he won the title in a very biased era.


Lewis is not overrated, neither is Johnson? Where are your facts? Rahman beat Lewis, MCall beat Lewis. True he beat them in the return, but if he's so great, why did he lose at all? Same with Johnson. It only took three rounds for 160 pound Choynski to KO him. Had it not been for Choynski teaching him to fight in jail, no one would have ever heard of him. Besides, its already been shown that he didnt exactly fight the greatest crop of fighters. They were great middleweights, great heavyweight years out of their prime, and one or two average fighters.

Lewis BEAT every man in his ring carreer either the first time or in rematches how many other great HW's can say that ? except for marciano who fought in a weak era.


The ''supposed'' Bias Vitalli endured is nothing compared to what Jack had to deal with Idiot

 

[Kaptain]

SRR best record was 128-1-2


Willie Pep's best was 135-1-1


SRR career - 175-19-6


Willie pep's career record 229-11-1


Common on! Now we gotta feel sorry for Jack Johnson? All the prostitutes, showboating, and immoral behavior (read Cash's column). You don't think he brought it on himself?


You asked for it buddy! Must be tough on the low end of the bell curve.

 

[Guest]

SRR best record was 128-1-2


Willie Pep's best was 135-1-1


SRR career - 175-19-6


Willie pep's career record 229-11-1


Common on! Now we gotta feel sorry for Jack Johnson? All the prostitutes, showboating, and immoral behavior (read Cash's column). You don't think he brought it on himself?


You asked for it buddy! Must be tough on the low end of the bell curve.

SRR record carreer record 175-19-6 with 101 KO's how many KO's did Pep have ?


Besides being a superb boxer the man had KO power in every punch and 99 % of the people who saw both in action rank SRR HIGHER. But i guess they where all wrong right ?

That article is a piece of crap


1 Jack Johnson was the only guy of the time period CONVICTED of the mann act only two other guys where prosecuted for breaking the Mann act i wonder why Jack was the only one convicted ?


2 Jack Johnson was far from an ignorant man he was actually very intelligent and well spoken. And yes he was brutal to women but lets not forget that the ''Great'' Jack Dempsey ''broke'' in young girls so that they could work as hookers. And that Dempsey pimped out his first wife. But i guess since he is one of your white gods thats allright


3 Jack Johnson had more guts in his pinky then you could ever have in your whole life . Walking into a ring when thousands of people would like nothing more then to see you dead takes Guts.


That is another lesson learned the next lesson will cost you $ 50 bucks payable by Pay Pal


Funny how you have stopped saying that Conn was greater then SRR

 

[Gary]

Conn was better then Robinson and if record's impress you how about 49-0 like Marciano had. Robinson lost to Maxim.Maxim was not that good.Greb was better then Robinson.Greb had 299 fights and lost only 8! Greb beat the big guys>Greb beat Tunney!Robinson couldn't beat Maxim!JackJohnson was a near moron and Clay was also very dumb could't pass his army test!Blacks in the USA have had it easy compared to what the Russians had to go through,so you couldn't eat a toasted cheese at a woolworth lunch counter and you had to go to the back of the bus!These Russians saw there grandmothers hung by the nazi's and lost 20 million in WW2.Food shortages, cold weather,revolutions,warswhile blacks got food stamps and hand outs.And you got the gall to complain.Lewis and other blacks moving to white nations so they could eat daily.Now you know why Vitali beat Williams so badly.Mention Wlad,Vitali or Golota to Bryd and he has a bowl movement!If the US was so bad why did Johnson want to return here and why did he go to Europe?Why not Africa?Get a life loser!!

 

[Gary]

By the way the article on Johnson was very good-better then that PBS nonsense. Johnson was an overhyped bum.Peter Jackson was good Jeffries ko'd him.Sam Langford would never fight Jeffries.Dempsey was good,Marcaino was good,but Jeffries was the best heavyweight ever.Keep your foolish posts pudking-your a bigot and that's your problem.If Vitali ko'd satan and ended world hunger you would not be happy.Cheer for your race-I'll cheer for mine.By the way who is the black hope?When Vitali retires,Chagaev will beat champ!!

 

[Guest]

Conn was better then Robinson and if record's impress you how about 49-0 like Marciano had. Robinson lost to Maxim.Maxim was not that good.Greb was better then Robinson.Greb had 299 fights and lost only 8! Greb beat the big guys>Greb beat Tunney!Robinson couldn't beat Maxim!JackJohnson was a near moron and Clay was also very dumb could't pass his army test!Blacks in the USA have had it easy compared to what the Russians had to go through,so you couldn't eat a toasted cheese at a woolworth lunch counter and you had to go to the back of the bus!These Russians saw there grandmothers hung by the nazi's and lost 20 million in WW2.Food shortages, cold weather,revolutions,warswhile blacks got food stamps and hand outs.And you got the gall to complain.Lewis and other blacks moving to white nations so they could eat daily.Now you know why Vitali beat Williams so badly.Mention Wlad,Vitali or Golota to Bryd and he has a bowl movement!If the US was so bad why did Johnson want to return here and why did he go to Europe?Why not Africa?Get a life loser!!

Johnson a moron ?

Strange he played the Bass violin had several patents for tools after his boxing carreer acted on stage . Many people who first though he was dumb because thats how the racist white media potrayed him . Said that when they met him thety where suprised how intelligent he was .


And again SRR was LEADING on all scorecards when he could'nt go on against Maxim because of heat exaustion.


Byrd beat Vitali and deserved the decision against mister quitter Golota who has NEVER won a big fight in his life. Wlad calls bums like Brewster and Purrity father

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And pleazze tell me why Conn was better then SRR ?


Was he a better boxer ? No


Better Knockout artist ? No


Why do 99 % of boxing historians who actually saw these guys fight say that SRR was the best of them all are they all liars because they dont follow the KKK doctrine ?.


I guess living in a country where you could get lynched for looking at a white woman the wrong way . Where Jim Crow laws where in place to make sure you had no political power. Where your children could'nt get decent healthcare because of their color . Where your wives and daughters where fair game for white men but where you could be lynchedif some whit slut accused you. Is living soft in your eyes right ????. You are an ignorant fool


Oops where you made to look ignorant again ?

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[Guest]

By the way the article on Johnson was very good-better then that PBS nonsense. Johnson was an overhyped bum.Peter Jackson was good Jeffries ko'd him.Sam Langford would never fight Jeffries.Dempsey was good,Marcaino was good,but Jeffries was the best heavyweight ever.Keep your foolish posts pudking-your a bigot and that's your problem.If Vitali ko'd satan and ended world hunger you would not be happy.Cheer for your race-I'll cheer for mine.By the way who is the black hope?When Vitali retires,Chagaev will beat champ!!

The article is a piece of crap full of misinformation


Jeffries KO'd a way past his prime peter jackson.


I loved the PBS documetary very good


Stop lovin me jim

And its you who are the bigot you go out of your way to smear fighters just because they are black.

 

[Gary]

Robinson lost to Maxim. Conn was leading on all cards against Louis.Wlad beat Bryd and McCline does that make him there daddy?Dempsey,Corbett,Johnson,Burns all called Jeffries the best. If you don't like this site why post here?I 'll tell you why.Your a poor self imaged negro who is ashamed of his race's lack of progress-lets face it while Europeans were going around the world in ocean going vessels,blacks were building dwellings like the musrat and beaver were building in North America-even today in 2005 what all black nation can even feed itself much less build a ship or sent a rocket to the moon?Greb was better then Robinson-so was Conn.Who is your black hope?Stop lovin me Cassius

. Johnson had no education. Booker T .Washington was ashamed of him.Russians have and have always had it worst then blacks-if we had't brought you to America you would have starved to death . Stop reading your Black Muslim material and try to get a job.Since you like PBS you'd better go now and watch Barney-you like purple don't you?

 

[Gary]

Sorry I made you look like a fool again! It can't be helped it's genetic

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[Gary]

The best fighters of all-time were white-the list looks like a who's who of Hall of Famers-John L. Sullivan,Jim Corbett,Bob Fitzsimmions,Tommy Loughran,Gene Tunney,Jack Dempsey,Harry Greb,Willie Pep, Jim Jeffires,Rocky Marciano,Mickey Walker,Terry Mc Govern.The Irish alone have had many champs-so have the Italians.Now the Eastern Europeans are taking over-the Russians and Ukrainians.They have the numbers,genes and talent to rule boxing for years to come.I am happy for them.They have waited a long time while lesser men had there day.

 

[Guest]

Robinson lost to Maxim. Conn was leading on all cards against Louis.Wlad beat Bryd and McCline does that make him there daddy?Dempsey,Corbett,Johnson,Burns all called Jeffries the best. If you don't like this site why post here?I 'll tell you why.Your a poor self imaged negro who is ashamed of his race's lack of progress-lets face it while Europeans were going around the world in ocean going vessels,blacks were building dwellings like the musrat and beaver were building in North America-even today in 2005 what all black nation can even feed itself much less build a ship or sent a rocket to the moon?Greb was better then Robinson-so was Conn.Who is your black hope?Stop lovin me Cassius

. Johnson had no education. Booker T .Washington was ashamed of him.Russians have and have always had it worst then blacks-if we had't brought you to America you would have starved to death . Stop reading your Black Muslim material and try to get a job.Since you like PBS you'd better go now and watch Barney-you like purple don't you?

Stop loving me Cassius is a pretty dumb thing to say since nobody ever taunted Ali like that . while Jack Johnson did Taunt Jim Jeffries like that when Jeffries could''nt hack it and had to clinch with Jack. Jeffries was raped and destroyed by Jack Johnson you did see the PBS documentary about this

I liked when Corbett tried to smacktalk to Johnson during the fight and Johnson was simultaniously kicking Jeffries ass while giving Corbett a verbal asswhipping very entertaining

Timbuktu Kush Nubia Ethiopian empire just soem of the black Kingdoms from from the past


Funny that you still havent given any real reason why Greb and Conn where better when Nearly everybody who has seeen these guys in action claims that SRR is better.


And do some research on Johnson dumbass allthough he had no formal education like alot of boxers he was a pretty intelligent guy.


And i have a job unlike you ignorant redneck i did'nt know they let the janitors use the computers at your place of work.


Question why dont you post your ignorant theories at ESB because you know you will be laughed of the site if you did . This is the only site you can hide on is'nt it ??

 

[Guest]

The best fighters of all-time were white-the list looks like a who's who of Hall of Famers-John L. Sullivan,Jim Corbett,Bob Fitzsimmions,Tommy Loughran,Gene Tunney,Jack Dempsey,Harry Greb,Willie Pep, Jim Jeffires,Rocky Marciano,Mickey Walker,Terry Mc Govern.The Irish alone have had many champs-so have the Italians.Now the Eastern Europeans are taking over-the Russians and Ukrainians.They have the numbers,genes and talent to rule boxing for years to come.I am happy for them.They have waited a long time while lesser men had there day.

John L Sullivan ducked Peter Jackson


Jim Corbett was good for his time Jack Johnson was better


Bob Fitz was killed in two round s by Papa Jack


Tommy Loughran he was good i suppose


Gene Tunney drew the color line would not fight black fighters


Dempsey ducked Wills


Greb way overrated


Pep P4P great was asswhipped 3 times by the great BLACK fighter Sandy Saddler


Jeffries Ducked Jack Johnson was destroyed when he finally fought him


Marcianochampion in aweak era Never fought a big heavy in his prime was lucky to get out before he had to face Liston fought mostly old men.


Micky Walker Lost to Tiger Flowers and everybody who saw the fight knows it Walker was Greb lite


Terry McGovern insignificant





The only P4P great white fighter today is Kosta Tzyu.


Tell me again how Harrison

and Hatton are P4P greats

Educated again

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[Gary]

Africans were eating each other until Europeans got there. You take Ethiopia I'll take England and lets check the history books.Ethiopia can't feed her people without a hand out from Europe.Willard didn't talk to Johnson -except with his fists and ko'd him.Greb had a better record then Robinson. Jackson collapsed in his fight with Corbett when the fight was called a draw.It was supposed to be to the finish.Corbett was still fresh-Jackson like Robinson couldn't take the heat !Fitz was 44 when he fought Johnson-Louis was younger when Rocky put Louis through the ropes.Liston spent his time in prison and was Ko'd in1 round by light hitting Clay.Dempsey never ducked Wills.You fool don't you know Dempsey signed to fight this bum twice-no promoter wanted itbecause Johnson had been such a jerk.Johnson drew the color line after he was chump-even that moron knew a fight with a black man wouldn't sell.Now tell me who is your black hope? You can only talk of past blacks?Did the Big Bad Russians drive your hero's out of boxing

 

[Sean]

gk, you are the most ignorant boxing "fan" I have ever heard. Greb was overrated? When was the last time his name came up in a boxing conversation? He beat Gene Tunney!!!


Marciano beat everyone they put in front of him. Something no other heavyweight can say. You claim that Rocky was champ ina weak era. Louis was champ in a weak era for the most part. Dont you remember the bum of the month club...oh yeah, they dont say that on boxrec! And, by the way Lewis' era was weaker than Marciano's! Lets look at who Lewis defended his title against: Tucker, Bruno, Jackson, McCall (KO'd in 2), McCall (nervous breakdown?), well, I dont want to name off anymore. Roland La Starza was ten times better than most of these guys. Walcott and Moore were better then them. Dont talk about Rocky having a weak era, and then say Lewis didnt! Rediculous. Both Lewis' losses were early Ko's to bums. Rocky would have destroyed Lewis. Lewis was on his way to being belted out by Vitali, until the stoppage. Still, one has to credit Lewis with being smart. He never tried fighting Vitali again

Dempsey signed to fight Wills twice, and Rickard refused to promote it. Instead of Dempsey, he got to fight Sharkey. AP quote: "Wills was battered about the ring from the start."


Fitz was 44 years old with torn ligaments in his right elbow. I'm surprised Johnson had the courage to fight him.


Jeffries would have killed Johnson. Jack got leveled by Choynski! Slapping away a prime Jeffs punches wouldnt be enough. And besides, as fiercly proud and egotistical as Johnson was, he still admitted Jeffries was the greatest of all time.


Why was Conn and Greb better than SRR? Well Greb easily was, because he battered around HEAVYWEIGHTS, including one of the greatest of them all, Gene Tunney! Pep was better. And your little remark about the "great Sandy Sadler...Sadler only whipped Pep once! Pep DIMINATED Sadler in the next fight, and was forced to quite due to a seperated shoulder in the next. He was also winning that fight by the way. Their final fight was when Pep was again forced to retire. Hardly what you crack it up to be. And your great black Sadler got pounded by Demarco. As for Conn, my only point on that is this: Yiou rated Louis the best heavyweight of all time, and Conn gave him a boxing lesson!


Walker beat Flowers.


And, I would like to finish with, the only reason you changed the topic to "p4p" is because whites are begining to dominate the heavyweight division, and all the best prospects on the horizon are white! Edited by: Sean

 

[Sean]

Tunney was Good Johnson was better at defense

Why was Tunney never Ko'd then?

 

[Gary]

Nice post Sean-you have been doing your homework-forget Pudking-he hasn't got the intelligence to learn much more then gum chewing -sure he has a job-he works with Fred Sanford in his junk yard. I heard that Jack Sharkey had fun with Wills in there"fight".Sharkey also beat George Godfrey another black hope of the time and a one time sparring partner of Dempseys,until he left camp because Dempsey hit too hard.

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[Sean]

Greb, I forgot to mention, fought most of his career being BLIND in one eye! When you look at all he accomplished, and add on to the fact he was half blind, with rapidly declining sight in his good eye, he is far and away greatrer than Robinson!

 

[Gary]

Hey Mr.Ethiopia,since you feel blacks are better fighters then whites you take Quinn Navarre and I'll take Oleg Maskaev.Just think if Navarre wins you can brag to Fred and Aunt Esther?Navarre lost a close decision to your all-time great Larry Holmes so Quinn should have no trouble against this Russian.The fight is Saturday night.Navarre would have killed Dempsey and Marciano in 1 round?Right!

 

[Sean]

Timbuktu Kush Nubia Ethiopian empire just soem of the black Kingdoms from from the past

I'm sure we couldnt do without their contributions to society

 

[Gary]

The best heavyweight in the world is Vitali Klitschko{Pro}.The best amateur in the world at heavyweight is Alexander Povetkin.Vitali is the Champion.Alexander is the Gold medal winner in the Olympics.End of Discussion!!

 

[Guest]

gk, you are the most ignorant boxing "fan" I have ever heard. Greb was overrated? When was the last time his name came up in a boxing conversation? He beat Gene Tunney!!!


Marciano beat everyone they put in front of him. Something no other heavyweight can say. You claim that Rocky was champ ina weak era. Louis was champ in a weak era for the most part. Dont you remember the bum of the month club...oh yeah, they dont say that on boxrec! And, by the way Lewis' era was weaker than Marciano's! Lets look at who Lewis defended his title against: Tucker, Bruno, Jackson, McCall (KO'd in 2), McCall (nervous breakdown?), well, I dont want to name off anymore. Roland La Starza was ten times better than most of these guys. Walcott and Moore were better then them. Dont talk about Rocky having a weak era, and then say Lewis didnt! Rediculous. Both Lewis' losses were early Ko's to bums. Rocky would have destroyed Lewis. Lewis was on his way to being belted out by Vitali, until the stoppage. Still, one has to credit Lewis with being smart. He never tried fighting Vitali again

Dempsey signed to fight Wills twice, and Rickard refused to promote it. Instead of Dempsey, he got to fight Sharkey. AP quote: "Wills was battered about the ring from the start."


Fitz was 44 years old with torn ligaments in his right elbow. I'm surprised Johnson had the courage to fight him.


Jeffries would have killed Johnson. Jack got leveled by Choynski! Slapping away a prime Jeffs punches wouldnt be enough. And besides, as fiercly proud and egotistical as Johnson was, he still admitted Jeffries was the greatest of all time.


Why was Conn and Greb better than SRR? Well Greb easily was, because he battered around HEAVYWEIGHTS, including one of the greatest of them all, Gene Tunney! Pep was better. And your little remark about the "great Sandy Sadler...Sadler only whipped Pep once! Pep DIMINATED Sadler in the next fight, and was forced to quite due to a seperated shoulder in the next. He was also winning that fight by the way. Their final fight was when Pep was again forced to retire. Hardly what you crack it up to be. And your great black Sadler got pounded by Demarco. As for Conn, my only point on that is this: Yiou rated Louis the best heavyweight of all time, and Conn gave him a boxing lesson!


Walker beat Flowers.


And, I would like to finish with, the only reason you changed the topic to "p4p" is because whites are begining to dominate the heavyweight division, and all the best prospects on the horizon are white!

Saddler STOPPED Pep 3 times dipsh*t check the record


And again why do most people who saw Conn Grebb and SRR fight say that SRR was the best of them all . Where they al prejudiced against whites

Lastarza ????

Walker earned a gift decision against Flowers everybody who saw the fight knows it


Jeffries was raped by JAck Johnson end of discussion


Vitali is the ruler of a weak division nothing more.

 

[Gary]

Louis was raped by Marciano-so was Charles,Walcott and Moore!Vitali is the best period.Now tell me who is your black hope??All you can do is talk about some dead guys from 40 years ago-This is 2005 and the comrades have pushed the inner city punks right out of the heavyweight division!!!

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[onewarrior5]

The heavyweights of today are much bigger,stronger and quicker then the heavyweights of the past.people say ali was the greatest.he had at least 5 gift decisions.his record should be 51-10. Does that sound like the greatest heavyweight ever?????????lol





Ide take Vitali and Wladimir klitschko over any fighter from the Ali era including ali.Ali was nothing more th en a media creation like Roid Jones was.

 

[dkr77]

Onewarrior5, I also tried to explain that to him but he just doesn'tgrasp thelogic in it. My guess is he is either part black or a wigger, since he seems to know how to spell. The american renaissance website has some excellent articles on and about people like him. Check it out if you get a chance.