Early Caste-Speak

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  1. Stlouis

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    I just started reading a fairly recent biography of Mickey Mantle and I was astonished to find this early version of the denigration of white athletes:

    What I remember from my childhood about Mickey Mantle was that there was no one faster from home to first than he was; even as an adult, I always read that he was the fastest ever from home to first as he would often beat out ground balls to shortstop in the minors. Anyway, here is the quote from fellow Oklahoman Alvin Dark of the New York Giants after seeing Mantle on the base paths during game 1 of the 1951 World Series: "Fastest white guy we've ever seen to first base."

    Incidentally, the Giants were known for starting an all black outfield in 1951. Today in 2017, the Giants start 2 whites and one black in the outfield with a very dark Venezuelan as a reserve.
     
  2. foreverfree

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    Is that book entitled The Last Boy: Mickey Mantle and the End of America's Childhood by Jane Leavy (Jewess no doubt)? I bought my copy at B&N's discount bin but hadn't opened it until right after I saw your post, Stlouis, and found Dark's quote with the help of the index. So what? Dark was just speaking his mind.

    John
     
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  3. Stlouis

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    I am sorry that I did not have an opportunity to respond before your edit but I was driving. Yes, that was the book that I was writing about.

    As for your last sentence, I think that you are missing my point: of course, Alvin Dark was just speaking his mind. I was not asserting in any way, shape or form that he or anybody else is not entitled to say what he or she thinks; rather I started this thread because I was surprised by what he said.

    When I started kindergarten in 1964, I immediately became enamored with baseball. My classmates and I would talk about our team, the Cardinals and the base stealing prowess of Lou Brock and Curt Flood; however, whenever we debated who was faster, someone would always point out that no one was faster than Mickey Mantle who was towards the end of his career with the Yankees. Baseball was fully integrated by then, but not once did anyone say: 'Mantle is the fastest amongst the whites.' Even today Mantle's speed from home to first is legendary.

    Therefore, I was surprised that Dark would make such a comment at a time when there were relatively few blacks in major league baseball; my first thought upon reading that quote was "How would you know." After all, he did not say: 'Willie Mays is faster or Monte Irvin is faster,' then I would have understood it. Maybe Dark spent his teenage years watching Negro League baseball, but somehow I doubt it.

    I hope that you enjoy the book more than I did, as I would not recommend it.
     
  4. Don Wassall

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    I recall Al Dark as being singled out for being "racist," one of the few from that era to get smeared the way Ty Cobb was after his career. Did a quick search and came across a book called "Baseball With a Latin Beat: A History of the Latin Game" that slams Dark as a "racist," "bigot," "liar," "vicious," etc. Dark (kind of an ironic surname) was likely obsessed with race, as just about everybody in America is given how the media and government are, and was of a time when some White men spoke more openly about race than any do now.
     
  5. La France Blanche

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    Ty Cobb has been smeared by the far-left mainstream media more than any athlete of his time (although of course modern-day guys like John Rocker, Riley Cooper, and Tim Tebow have received it even worse). But the mistreatment of Cobb is particularly disgraceful because I consider him one of the three greatest baseball players of all time (along with Babe Ruth and Ted Williams). Instead of talking about how great he was, the average person on the street will likely respond with "he wuz rayciss" to an inquiry of what they know about Ty Cobb.
     
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  6. Extra Point

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    The anti-whites never refer to white men as men. They always call them boys, males or guys - never men.

    Mickey Mantle was not a boy.
     
  7. La France Blanche

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    Funny that we were just talking about Cobb. I just watched an old episode of Mayberry RFD on Amazon and Ty Cobb was mentioned in a positive way. One of the last gasps of the media not being controlled by anti-whites.
     

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