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  1. jaxvid

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    Ethan Kilmer, Ryan Lacosse, Tim McGarigle, David Anderson, have all been drafted in the 7th round. Sometimes being drafted this late is worse then not being drafted, as a free agent you can look for teams that will be your best match. These late picks are token picks. There are just there to field a practice team for summer camp.
     
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    I looked through the draft and there was 61 white players drafted at my count. 61/255 = .239 so about 24% of the players drafted were white. I think it is about the same as last year. Man this is frustrating. Maybe next year with high profile players such as Zbikowski, Quinn and Samardija coming out hopefully some of this can change but I think it is status quo.
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    Less than one fourth of the starters in the NFL are white so obviously that won't be increasing anytime soon. So many proven, productive white players were ignored or drafted late at the expense of "projects" and guys who "have trouble keeping their head in the game," not to mention more than a few who compiled criminal records during their days as a college "student." Pathetic.
     
  4. White Shogun

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    Listening to the talking heads on ESPN's draft day, I heard them refer to the Falcon's lack of good receivers yet again as an explanation for Vick's malfunction. Chris Mortensen said that Dez White and Jenkins have improved considerably and should help Vick next year, of course without mentioning the #1 receiver on the Falcons, Brian Finneran.

    Vick is going into his 6th year in the NFL, and he is still a project. They are considering more shotgun formations and they actually said the Falcons are even considering running some type of option, all in an effort to make Mike Vick a viable NFL quarterback.

    There was another black quarterback drafted, I don't remember his name, who was quoted as saying the days of the Mannings and Bradys are over, the future is in athletic, mobile quarterbacks. To my surprise, the talking heads lambasted this guy's quote, but in actuality he isn't saying anything that they themselves haven't said, more than once on TV and talk radio. The problem is none of their pet projects ever pan out. Even the black quarterbacks who have had some success did so only after becoming established pocket passers, like McNabb and McNair.
     
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    The whole mobile qb thing has been around for about 10 yrs and they still have not had success. Every year they are supposed to take over. I wish you remember the qb who said because I think that only 3 black qbs were drafted...Young, Jacobs and Jackson.
     
  6. Don Wassall

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    It was Reggie McNeal of Texas A&M. I read an almost identical quote from Penn State "quarterback" Michael Robinson a few days ago.


    And the talking heads who lambasted McNeal were the ones saying the same thing for years going back to the Kordell Stewart era. It's only when it became overwhelmingly obvious even to the Caste System's propagandists that black QBs were going to have to actually throw the ball that white pocket passers began to get some begrudging respect.
     
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    oh that mcneal guy is full of himself. i despise him. he will amount to nothing in the NFL. this weekend has not been a good one for me or for most of you I can imagine. I will no longer root for the Steelers after the display this weekend [​IMG] . I might be back next year to cheer for them if they get posluzny or leonard but I am not holding my breath. This season I will focus more on college I think and just follow all the white players in the nfl. I just feel like a kid disappointed on Christmas morning right now.
     
  8. White Shogun

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    There were more than Young, Jacobs, and Jackson.

    Add McNeal, Robinson, Shockley, Marques Hagans, and Brad Smith to that list, too.

    I don't know how many other black QB's were drafted, but I'm sure there were more. Some are expected to return kicks and / or play wide receiver, but then you have to remember that these guys were chosen over proven wide receivers like Hass to fill WR slots, when they've never played the position.

    In other news, another white player sells himself short. Here is a clip from an ESPN article:

    Dumervil led the nation in sacks, but is 'happy' he fell to the Broncos in the fourth round. [​IMG] I know he means that he is happy that the Broncos picked him up instead of another team, but still.. leads the nation in sacks and he goes in the 4th round?
     
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    dumervil isnt white...but I was just counting the black qbs that were drafted to play qb.
     
  10. Kaptain

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    Dumervil fell because he recorded only one sack his last five games and I believe he had an unimpressive 40 time for someone his size (smallish) for a DE.

    I think he had 15 sacks the first three games against subpar competition.
     
  11. foreverfree

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    I guess nobody wants to... (rolls eyes)

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    I think the supplemental draft is in june or july. the compensatory selection are picks given to teams when they lose a player in free agency...i think it is supposed to compensate for the loss of the player. i think thats the general idea behind them.
     
  13. StaleyWasScrewd

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    Michael Robinson and Brad Smith weren't drafted as QBs, though, so they don't count. But yes, it is frustrating to see freaking BRAD SMITH drafted ahead of Mike Hass.

    I do have some hope for Hass. The Saints are starting with a clean slate, and the new regime seems to at least consider white players. The team is so dreadful that they really have no choice but to give him a chance.

    Man, this NFL.com scouting report on Hass is absolutely brutal:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/hass_mike

    "Despite running sharp routes, his lack of burst keeps him from being able to get separation from defenders. He does not have the playing speed to get deep down the field to make long plays."

    I saw him get plenty of "separation," and I saw him make plenty of "long plays." I don't know what games these tools were watching.
     
  14. white lightning

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    I was really happy to see David Anderson finally get drafted in the final minutes of the 7th round.What a joke!He deserves better.I just hope they give him a chance.David Anderson is a star receiver just like Hass.At least he will have a little better chance of making the team than if he was a unsigned free agent.Good luck to Hass & Anderson.Hopefully,the rest of the guys will get some offers in the coming weeks.I can't believe nobody even considered drafted Hartigan! [​IMG]
     
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    Here are a few notable FA signings
    Steven Gregory CB Chargers
    Nick Turnbull DB Falcons
    Nick Reid LB Chiefs
    Ed Nelson TE Rams
    Ryan Neil DE Bills
    John Bushing LB Bengals
    Ryan Hamby TE Bengals
    Paule Pinegar QB Jaguars


    Ill add more as I see them. anyone else feel free to add as well!
     
  16. StaleyWasScrewd

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    I'm surprised Will Derting of Washington St. wasn't drafted and hasn't signed as an FA yet. He's one of the few white guys that seemed to have been hyped since his freshman year.
     
  17. white is right

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    Gerald Riggs jr wasn't drafted, but he is a poor mans version of Walter Payton's kid. Mike Vick jr wasn't drafted either maybe there is a god after all.... [​IMG]
     
  18. SteveB

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    With the new regime in Houston, the team got whiter this offseason at the skill positions.

    Signed FA - Kevin Walter-WR, Jeff Putzier-TE, Chris Doering-WR

    Draft - Owen Daniels-TE, David Anderson-WR

    With three WR, hopefully a couple of them get a chance.
     
  19. backrow

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    thanks Pitt... i wonder how many of those will actually obtain a roster spot...
     
  20. Jimmy Chitwood

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    as of noon, Monday, May 1...
    -the Falcons signed WR Troy Bergeron and OC Brian Ferentz (Iowa), but they are already listing Turnbull as a safety.
    -the Ravens signed WR Ed Hinkel (Iowa), OC Kyle Roper (Arkansas), DL Nick Leaders (Iowa State), QB Drew Olson (UCLA), and LB Jimmy Cottrell (New Mexico State).
    -the Bills signed DE Ryan Neill (Rutgers).
    -the Panthers signed QB Brett Basanez (Northwestern) and OL Adam Stenavich (Michigan).
    -the Bears signed OL Mark LeVoir (Notre Dame) and OL Travis Leffew (Louisville).
    -the Bengals signed LB John Busing (Miami Ohio), OL Jesse Boone (Utah), QB Erik Meyer (Eastern Washington), and TE Ryan Hamby (Ohio State).
    -the Packers signed OT Josh Bourke (Grand Valley State), TE Scott Weaver (Portland State), and OT Mike Brisiel (Colorado State).
    -the Jaguars signed OT Ryan Gibbons (Northeastern), TE Brandon Twito (Pittsburgh State), and QB Paul Pinegar (Fresno State).
    -the Chiefs signed FB Jake Slaughter (Auburn), WR Travis LaTendresse (Utah), and TE Bob Docherty (Wisconsin-Oshkosh).
    -the Patriots signed WR Matt Shelton (Notre Dame)and OL Randy Hand (Florida).
    -the Giants signed OL Todd Londot (Miami Ohio).
    -the Jets signed LB Blake Costanzo (Lafayette) and OL/deep snapper Ed Blanton (UCLA).
    -the Raiders signed WR John Madsen (Utah).
    -the Steelers signed OL Nick Hagemann (South Dakota), DT Scott Paxson (Penn State), and TE Jon Dekker (Princeton).
    -the Chargers signed OL Nick Mihlhauser (Washington State).
    -the Seahawks signed TE Matt Henshaw (Florida State).
    -the Rams signed former basketball player TE Ed Nelson (Connecticut).
    -the Titans signed OL Rob Smith (Tennessee).
    -the Redskins signed LB Spencer Havner (UCLA).

    so far every free agent signing that i've found by the following teams has been black (except of course for kickers, punters, and the occasional QB): Arizona, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Indianapolis, Miami, Minnesota, New Orleans, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Tampa Bay.

    how sad is this list? [​IMG][​IMG]
     
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    Kudla got signed by the Steelers...I really hope he sticks.
     
  22. Don Wassall

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    Guys like Kudla, Havner, Busing and others not being drafted is almost as pathetic as Hass not going until the 6th round, Anderson the 7th, and Hinkel not being drafted.


    And yeah, it's nice if Reggie Bush put in a plug for Hass to be drafted by the Saints, but oh the irony of it all -- the best running back in the country, who went number two overall, asking his team to draft the best wide receiver in the country, who nearly wasn't drafted at all. [​IMG]
     
  23. Jimmy Chitwood

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    i heartily agree with Don! this is [​IMG]

    can you believe laurence maroney went in the first round, but the two all-Americans blocking for him, Greg Eslinger and Mark Setterstrom, didn't go until late in the 6th and 7th rounds? unbelievable! just look at the disparity in the descriptions of the black afaleete and the white players by the talking heads: linkEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood
     
  24. White Shogun

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    What happened?? Reggie Bush actually said that, is it rumor or something that we're wishing / speculating had happened? I missed the story.
     
  25. Jimmy Chitwood

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    any word on Nate Soelberg, Josh Golden, or Andrew Pace? how about any white RBs?
     

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