Disarming the populace - "gun control"

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  1. werewolf

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    THEY want to do this so badly. Then we will be defenseless like Sweden and Germany and the mass third world invasion and destruction of the white race can begin in earnest!

    After WW2 Russia was awash with guns. The Judeo-Bolshevik rulers (they're here now) disarmed the populace by simply making it the law that it is the death penalty for anyone found with guns or ammunition. That's all it took. That's what they'll do here too. Not the death penalty but automatic 40 years in prison, something like that. So much for "my cold dead hands" and all that. They did it to the tough Australians easily enough. Have you heard about Melbourne lately?
     
  2. werewolf

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    Yesterday Was a Horrible Day for the Second Amendment

    [​IMG]Please call the President immediately at 202-456-1111 or 202-456-1414 and tell him that you do NOT support one word of the gun control measures that he's supporting. Let him know that you will surely "remember in November" if he does NOT get veer off from his anti-gun agenda. And click here to send emails to your Senators with the same message.

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    Trump Drops the Gloves and Becomes the "Gun-Grabber-in Chief"

    Dear L,

    Lewis G. Carroll said it first: "First the execution; then the trial."

    On Wednesday, Donald Trump echoed that sentiment when he said: "Take the guns first; go through due process later."[​IMG]

    Well, that's not exactly the way due process is supposed to work.

    But Trump made these comments -- and more -- at a roundtable meeting with several congressmen at the White House.

    He supported various gun control proposals and vowed to take on the gun lobby to get his measures passed.

    That's why I need to you make one important call today.

    You must call the President immediately and tell him how deeply disappointed you are by his betrayal of gun owners, who he actively courted prior to the 2016 elections.

    Please call Trump at 202-456-1111 or 202-456-1414 and tell him that you do NOT support one word of the gun control measures that he's supporting.

    And, let him know that you will surely "remember in November" if he does NOT get off his anti-gun agenda.

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    Trump endorses Gun Confiscation Orders

    On Wednesday, Trump endorsed the heinous gun confiscation orders that several anti-gun states have enacted (California, Oregon, Washington, etc.).

    Under these laws, the police or a relative or perhaps a government official could convene a secret court proceeding (called an ex parte hearing).

    The gun owner would NOT be allowed to attend or make his or her case to the court.

    And, in fact, the first they would know about it is when the SWAT team arrived at the door to ransack their house and, if they resisted, to arrest or even shoot them. This is what happened at Ruby Ridge.

    Leftist anti-gun Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) suggested to a beaming Trump that anyone you had ever dated should also be able to convene a secret proceeding to take away your guns.

    Wow! Talk about driving a stake through the heart of the Second and Fourth Amendments.[​IMG]

    This will open up our gun rights to horrific abuse -- as people will be able to take revenge against you to take away your rights, as happened toShane Morgan in Oregon.

    How ironic that just a few weeks ago, the President said in a tweet, when talking about one his aides, that, "People's lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation.... Is there no such thing any longer as Due Process?"

    Apparently, due process is needed for people in the White House, but not for people who may be falsely accused and have their Second Amendment rights stripped from them.

    Incidentally, the Gun Confiscation Orders would have done no good in Parkland, where the shooter was judged to be "low risk."

    But he COULD have been barred from buying a gun if he had been brought up on felony charges during any of the 40-50 police visits. And NEWS FLASH: Holding a gun to someone's head IS a felony.

    Not only that, he could have been deterred from even attacking a school if he knew, in advance, that there were armed adults inside the building.

    But the gun confiscation orders were just the beginning of Trump's anti-gun love-fest.

    Trump endorses Universal Background (Registration) Checks

    The "base bill" for Trump's comprehensive anti-gun package is the proposal introduced by Senators Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA) from 2013 -- legislation that is commonly known as Universal Background Checks.[​IMG]

    Under that bill, if you wanted to sell your gun to your neighbor ... you and he would have to go to the nearest FFL ... pay whatever fee he chose to charge you (without limit, but you can expect to be AT LEAST $50 poorer) ... and then HOPE that you're not one of the eight percent of all Brady Check purchasers who receives a "YELLOW" (hold) response.

    At the very least, this would mean you would have to make two trips to the gun store. However, under very technical language in the 2013 version, it may be that you would NEVER be able to buy the gun.

    Of course, the other problem with Universal Background Registration Checks is that the ATF is currently routinely making copies of 4473's in many parts of the country.

    Think about it, if everyone has to get a 4473 under Universal Background Checks, then everyone and their gun will appear in that national registry.

    The Manchin-Toomey language garnered 54 votes in 2013, but then dropped to only 48 votes in 2015 and 44 votes in 2016.

    So, right now, Universal Background Registration Checks are being supported by less than half the Senate. But don't be surprised if President Trump starts twisting arms to get more votes.

    Then there's Feinstein's semi-auto ban, which Trump also entertained as a possibility. Her bill would probably get roughly 35 votes in the Senate.

    Trump openly asked Manchin and Toomey to accept the Feinstein semi-auto ban, which would ban millions of semi-automatic firearms -- and would ban standard capacity magazines, as well.

    Trump dismisses pleas to pass concealed carry reciprocity

    Concealed carry reciprocity was brought up at yesterday's meeting.

    But Trump rejected this bill as "unachievable," even though it has already passed the House and has 55-60 votes in the Senate, based on our extrapolation of the 2013 vote on reciprocity in the Senate.

    So to recap: A PRO-gun reciprocity bill with 55-60 votes is "unachievable" for Trump, but two horrendous, ANTI-gun bills supported by less than half of the Senate are the core of Trump's agenda.

    What does that tell you about Trump's view of the Second Amendment -- and the gun lobby?

    Finally, there is Trump's continued push to disarm hundreds of thousands of soldiers and sailors -- who are perfectly capable of carrying a full automatic in Baghdad or Kabul -- but they will return to the U.S. to be treated as second-class citizens if Trump raises the age to purchase a long-gun to 21.[​IMG]

    Kudos to pro-gun champions Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) and Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) for trying to steer Trump off his anti-gun rant.

    Sen. Daines reiterated the need for armed protection inside our nation's schools. And Rep. Scalise pled for Trump to reconsider concealed carry reciprocity. But Trump just dismissed Scalise's pro-gun pleas.

    Perhaps the only bright spot in Wednesday's meeting was that Trump reiterated his support for arming teachers.

    However, by the end of the meeting, it seemed pretty clear that Trump would not fight for this if it meant the death of the gun control package.

    Did Trump just throw the 2018 elections?

    Donald Trump has said, repeatedly, that he's prepared to "take on" the Second Amendment community if we resist his agenda.

    If he had said that two years ago, he wouldn't have been the Republican nominee.

    So Donald Trump is about to learn a very hard lesson. The liberal media and the Democrats will hate Trump no less because of his betrayal of his base.

    And, in fact, his actions will serve to energize the Left, just as he tries to weaken the people who elected him.

    It's possible that Trump just threw the 2018 elections by depressing turnout by his base.

    Again, it is imperative that we bombard the White House with phone calls.

    Let the President know that he cannot expect to keep the support of the gun owners he courted if he's going to shred the Constitution in the manner that he is proposing.

    Please call Trump today at 202-456-1111 or 202-456-1414 and tell him that you do NOT support one word of the gun control measures that he's supporting.

    And click here to send emails to your Senators with the same message -- with special messages prepared for Republicans or Democrats.

    Thank you.

    Sincerely,

    Michael Hammond
    Legislative Counsel

    P.S. GOA is expending a huge amount of its resources to rally more gun owners into this battle and to get our no-compromise voice out to the media. Please consider chipping in $10, $20 or $35 to put even more heat on legislators in Congress.
     
  3. Don Wassall

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    I agree with that. American gun owners will instantly capitulate. The key is to stop gun confiscation legislation from passing, because if it does there will be almost no resistance. And if there is, one or two "Operation Showtime" displays by the fedgov ala Waco will be sufficient to nip it in the bud.
     
  4. BeyondFedUp

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    Agreed. And modern day Janet Reno types will murder the same demographic in the same geographic areas like she/they did in Waco: Whites in rural areas who just want to be left alone and are law-abiding and overwhelmingly Christian and culturally harmless.

    ZOG-puppet Reno (the c#nt) wouldn't have ever murdered inner city gang members holding up in some dilapidated building in Detroit.

    If confiscation becomes law, "tha bruthus aints gonna be lettin' go dey piece". Nor will they be expected to. Dat wud be rayciss!!
     
  5. werewolf

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    Excellent film exposing the Holocaust at Waco - "Waco - Rules of Engagement". Chuck Schumer is in the original uncut version mocking the survivors. Also, i read a book by Christopher Whitcomb who was at Waco with the FBI's elite Hostage Rescue Team, *Cold Zero*. He ends his chapter on Waco with these chilling words: "I heard the voice of evil at Waco. It was my own."
     
  6. FootballDad

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    The left doesn't hate guns. They just don't want normal Americans to have them. Here is a brilliant article from Kurt Schlichter at Townhall...

    They Don’t Hate The NRA. They Hate You.
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    The progressives are cranking things up to 11 on the Stupid/Psycho Scale, which is good for us in the short term – some of us Normals were growing complacent and the midterms are coming. But we also need to open our eyes and accept the bitter reality we face. We can’t just pretend the truth is not the truth because we wish it were otherwise. The left’s dropping of its mask has demonstrated once again the undeniable fact. The left hates you.

    Just give them a listen. Those carefully selected moppet puppets are out there on TV telling Normals “We are going to outlive you.” When leftists tell you that you are going to die first, you should believe they mean it. They have a track record of making that happen.

    And then there is the new meme, that the NRA is a “terrorist” organization. This means you are a “terrorist” simply by advocating for your political views. Think about that. Labeling your political opponents as “terrorists” – gee, that can’t end badly. Violence against and suppression of terrorists is okay, isn’t it? And when this ploy works with guns, it will happen with the next right the left wants to take from us.

    How’s that blood on your hands? Sure, you were thousands of miles away, and your AR-15 – like the 14,999,999 other AR-15s out there – never shot up a school, but just believing in the Second Amendment makes you a non-human. Those of us who know something about history know that the people leftists regard as non-human always tend to end up non-living.

    Oh, they want to have a conversation, all right. It’s a conversation about how you are going to be disarmed, disempowered, and at their mercy.

    Crazy talk? No. Don’t be gaslighted. They will tell you exactly what they want for you if you give them long enough. The beauty of social media is these creeps just can’t help themselves; you just have to have the strength to listen and accept the truth no matter how unpleasant it is. Many of them want you dead – again, they will tell you outright. Others will be satisfied with you just being serfs, unable to participate in your own governance, obedient, working hard to fuel the liberal redistribution machine that pays off Democrat constituencies. To the fields, flyover drones! Grow our kale, drive the trucks carrying our cucumber-infused pale ale! We are to be the silent stagehands in the urban hipster play that is their lives.

    Understand that the left doesn’t hate the NRA. The NRA stuff is a distraction. Leftists are dumb, but they understand the power of the NRA is really the power of millions of Normal Americans coming together to defend their right to protect themselves, their families, their communities and their Constitution. That’s why they fear it. That’s why they can’t abide it. They want your voices silenced.

    And the left doesn’t hate guns either. In fact, the progressives fully intend to be the only group left with any guns. That should turn out great for us.

    At best, the government that they promise will protect us will make excuses why they can’t see red flags waving and why they can’t be expected to actually protect us. Liberals have just come out foursquare in favor of police cowardice; their argument is you don’t need guns to protect yourself, and you certainly can’t expect a Democrat-run law enforcement agency like the Broward Sheriff’s Office to protect you because that would be scary to the poor government workers. Where does that leave you? You can’t protect yourself, and in return, no one from the government will protect you either. That whole outliving talk looks more and more sinister every day.

    And at worst? There are 100 million reasons never to be disarmed and at the mercy of leftists.

    Your life means nothing to them, just as the lost lives in Chicago mean nothing to them. There are several Parklands a month in the Windy City, but the Democrats who run it don’t care. They know where the bad guys are. They won’t act. Instead, they feign concern over the children because faking outrage will help them do what they really want done. That’s why you had them arguing that the idea of a cop actually doing his job was crazy.

    They want you disarmed and disempowered, not the nuts, not the criminals, not the terrorist, not the illegal aliens. You. Why?

    Because they hate you.

    They hate that you won’t submit.

    They hate that you won’t obey.

    And they hate that you refuse to give up your only means of protecting yourself and preserving your rights.

    They hate you.

    So what do you do?

    You understand and accept the truth, which many allegedly on our side refuse to do because the truth is too harsh and painful. America is divided not between groups with differing political views held in good faith, but between Normals and a left that hates us. That’s not a pleasant notion, but to pretend that this is business as usual, that we are just friends with a slight disagreement, or that there is some reasonable compromise to be had, is delusional.

    Ask them. They hate you. And we must act accordingly.

    The first step is the political battle. Wake up – the midterms are coming and we need to ensure that these people do not gain the power to undercut our rights. At CPAC, President Trump demonstrated that his competitive nature is in full effect – he intends on winning. We need to do the same. Volunteer. Donate. Activate. Yeah, it’s a hassle. We’d all like a pause to this constant cold warfare. That is not happening.

    The second step is the cultural battle. The left is intent on mobilizing the corporations that form the infrastructure of society against us. We need to respond with our own political power, and that means casting off the tired shackles of an ideology that assumes we are in a pure free market scenario. “Free market solutions” don’t apply where companies instead act based on political ideology when choosing to exercise political power; how, exactly, do we respond to a company that acts against us but decides it doesn’t care about the market consequences? Well, we can’t – unless we use our own political power. Georgia refusing to give Delta a tax break – which it should not have gotten in the first place – is the template. If they want to declare a cultural war on us, let’s give them one. It’s not how you or I want it to be, but it is how it is. Maybe pain will motivate them to re-adopt the old rules. Surrender sure won’t.

    The third step is to create deterrent facts on the ground. Demonstrate your commitment to your rights by joining the NRA and, further, by buying guns and ammunition. Tyranny is not out of the question – hey, aren’t they always calling Trump Hitler? Tens, even hundreds of millions of armed American Normals provide a deterrent to the kind of insanity we’ve seen the left hinting at. Be prepared to protect the Constitution, and the chances of them getting violent will diminish exponentially. Remember, they don’t want to fight; they prefer we give up under a barrage of hectoring from CNN and vicious tweets about how we hate children.

    Yes, it’s ugly.

    Yes, perhaps it’s even frightening.

    But it is how it is, with leftists who makes no bones about what they think of you. They hate you. And you need to act accordingly.
     
  7. Freethinker

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    100% truth. Great read!
     
  8. werewolf

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    Yes it is! The Bolsheviks didn't hate guns anymore after they took over Russia in 1917, and then again in 1945 wittheydoubled down vengeance after they got the Russian people to fight their war for them and save their red asses and they had no further use for them. Same thing here with all their bs wars. They weren't going on about "white privilege" then when they needed white men to fight their bs wars for them. Watch the 1992 Russian movie Cheka in case you don't know what the leftists are really all about and what tgey did to Russia, or Russia What We Have Lost, also 1992, both films made in Russia shortly after they got rid of the reds. The latter film was the first time it was publicly revealed in Russia that Lenin spoke Yiddish at home. It still hasn't been publicly revealed here.
     
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  9. BeyondFedUp

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    A complete ouster of all the reds and their puppets is required here in the ussa if there is ANY chance of it surviving and having the slightest semblance of USA 1.0. Yes, the 1.0 version is gone forever but I'm talking about basic function of a Constitutional republic apart from these lawless rats, snakes, vermin, vampires, et al.
     
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    I don't think that as many people will give up their guns as you think. I know I won't. All it takes is a few shootouts, and the gestapo will be afraid to go get them.

    When I was in the Army, we had plenty of conversations about this, and none of us would confiscate weapons at the expense of civil liberties or American lives. The next Civil War has already begun guys. America itself will divide into multiple countries, but our belief system will survive in one of them...as long as we are willing to kill and die for it.
     
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    I'm inclined to believe you but guns are the one issue the conservatives claim they'll never budge on. I've heard many normie conservatives say they'll die before giving up their guns. I don't know though, look what they're already willing to put up with. If you're a DWF gun owner living in a safe White area then why would you be willing to put up a big fight in order to keep your guns? The DWF aren't aware of what happened in Eastern Europe in the 20th century. They have no idea what's going on in the world are what the plan for the future is. If (((they))) take the guns away then it's game over.
     
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    I've always felt that the long-feared "Disarming of America" will be difficult not because of the"my cold dead hands" gun owners, but rather that the police/military personnel tasked with enforcing such a mandate upon citizens. Not only would police/soldier types not want to disarm citizens against their will in accordance with their own pro-gun beliefs, but also, how many millions of police/soldiers would it take to impose such a law? There are likely 350 million guns in the U.S. and it would take decades to find/confiscate them all. Many in rural areas would simply hide them, bury them, etc. I'd like to think it would be an impossible task for the Federal Government.
     
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    There's a new kind of police now. No more friendly neighborhood cop. They are confiscating a lot of guns already:

    http://www.offthegridnews.com/self-...scation-by-police-on-the-rise-coast-to-coast/

    Special military units will do whatever they train them to do. They'll come armored up in overwhelming force.

    How will they do it? The same way they did it in post-ww2 USSR when there were also millions of guns in the hands of the people. Simply pass a draconian law. That's all. Law abiding gun owners are just that. Do they want to risk a death penalty (USSR) or 40 years in prison if found with a gun or ammo or found lying to the authorities about same? No.

    Of course such laws will only apply to the white working class.
     
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    Correct, no more friendly neighborhood cop - but if we are friendly to them, we'll chip away at their attitude. I give them a wave if they're driving by or if I'm close enough I say good morning/evening etc. You never know when it'll come in handy. Also, down deep, I think most of them are with us. Also, I mean to help them if I can and they need help.
     
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    Absolutely, at least the white police are.
     
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    But that was before they put 20% of us school boys on hard narcotics for imaginary diseases that they invented to label the behavior of normal energetic boys - ADD, ADHD, etc. ALL of the school shooters were on those Ritalin-type drugs (with the exception of Adam Lanza who didn't even exist), but they won't even talk about that because their agenda is to disarm all the good people!
     
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    I’ve said it before...if there’s anything that would “awaken” Amerikans to stand in revolt...it’d be forced firearm confiscation. I know plenty of men (including myself) that would go out in a “blaze of glory” before kowtowing to that unlawful tyranny. Like most of y’all (also) know...some things are woth (both) killing & dying for.
     

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