Dirk Nowitzki

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Dirk had 41 points tonight in a victory over the Miami
Heat. He is averaging around 27 points a game so far
this season.I still say that he is the closest player
to Larry Bird that I have ever seen.
 

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The offensive repertoire he has at around seven feet
tall is incredible. He can dribble up the court, do that
little one-dribble move, jab step, spin, cross over,
drive to the basket, fake and fade away, pop a three
on the fast break, just awesome stuff. He has his
own game distinct from Bird. Larry was more of a
passer, and a better all around player, and a more
hard-nosed, aggressive competitor, with a meaner,
more dominating personality, than Dirk. But Dirk is
still special.

Of course, Larry Bird had three championships- and
was the number one guy on those championship
teams. That's what really separates him from all the
white forwards that have been compared to him.
That's what we need: Dirk, Andrei, or somebody to
be the number one player on some championship
teams- and/or a team with plenty of white players on
it to win the championship- like Utah, Memphis,
Seattle, or San Antonio, even if their number one guy
isn't white. (Both would be nice.)

Magic Johnson laughed at the comparison between
Larry Bird and and Peja Stojakovic. And you know
what? I agree. I love Peja, but it's not just that he
doesn't have an all around game like Bird (which is
true), he just doesn't have the years of dominating
the league, the spectacular postseason
performances, and- most importantly- he doesn't
have the hardware. It's easy for the media to criticize
Peja, for an obvious reason; unfortunately, they're
right on this one. The numbers don't lie. His
postseason performances aren't even in the same
dimension as Bird's. Dirk has been a very good
postseason performer, so that comparison is
somewhat better. But still no rings. No player- white
or black or whatever- can be compared to Bird until
they have at least one ring.
 

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Dirk had 31 points today in a win over the Nets.He is now up to 3rd in the NBA in scoring!Keep it up Dirk!
 

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Dirk has come back from his injury and had 23 points in a victory last night.He is averaging over 25 points a game and 10 rebounds.Those are great numbers.
 

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Dirk played his 2nd game in consecutive nights and proved he is all the way back from his severe ankle
sprain.He had 32 points and grabbed 18 rebounds.These
are unbelievable numbers.Nowitzki is now up to 26 points
per game on the year and is the 5th leading scorer.
Depending on how many shots per game Finley gets,Dirk
just might lead the NBA in scoring this season.
 

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I know that I need to stop posting about Dirks great games because they happen all of the time but last night
was incredible.Dirk had 53 points,16 rebounds,2 assists,
and 4 blocked shots. I don't even know if Larry could ever have a game that good.Keep it up Dirk!
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After scoring 30 points in todays victory over Utah,Dirk
is now the leading scorer in the NBA!He over took Kobe
Bryant and hopefully can stay there all year long. His
averages on the season so far are 27.4 points per game
and 11.3 rebounds per game!Those are MVP Numbers!
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He went on a 10-0 run, all by himself, in the first
minute and a half of overtime! Stunning
performance. I don't know if he can keep ahead of
McGrady as far as the scoring title goes; Houston
looks like it's going to be a typical low-scoring Jeff
Van Gundy team, and they'll need McGrady to score
30 points a game to win. It's great to see Dirk be the
number one option even while surrounded by black
players. That's definitely an affront to the caste
system. Doesn't he know that whites are only
supposed to be good shooters? Second, third, or
fourth options on their teams? Ha!

Shooting is important, but good white shooters are a
dime a dozen. A guy who can go one-on-one, create
off the dribble, as well as shoot the ball extremely
well, separates himself from the crowd. I know I
keep picking on Peja, but I feel like it's an important
point. He's an excellent player, but he can't create
his own shot as well as Dirk, McGrady, or Kobe
Bryant, and that's why he struggles in the
postseason. He can't go one-on-one against good
defenders like Trent Hassell. A player like Dirk or
Bryant may be temporarily slowed down by a good
defender, but they'll wear him down over the long
run. For example, during a playoff series, Bruce
Bowen just can't stop Bryant. Maybe for a quarter or
two, or even a game or two, but not the entire series.
Peja needs his teammates to help him get open,
and he needs to be open in order to knock down
shots. Dirk can make himself open with one-on-one
moves.

Of course, I'm not implying that the one-on-one
game is more important than the team game; we
saw in the Olympics that the latter can beat the
former. Maybe a team can win an NBA
championship without any one-on-one play from its
main scorers. I'm not enough of an expert to say for
sure. Regardless, it is the one advantage of black
basketball. White basketball is better in every other
way because it's a team game, but the black game
does develop one-on-one skills (often at the
expense of other skills).

If we want white stars, it's pretty likely that they'll need
those skills. A star is someone who distinguishes
himself from most of the other players in the league.
A sharpshooter is a role player; by definition, a role
player is the opposite of a star player. White players
who are great at the team game will always be
important contributors to their teams, and that's
great. Hopefully a predominantly white team will win
some championships, regardless of whether they
have a dominant white scorer or not. That would be
fine; as long as they're winning championships, it
doesn't matter if they don't have a white player who
scores 25-30 points a game. But without the ability
to go one on one against the best defenders in the
league, and beat them, they won't be "star" players.
(Perhaps they could be defensive stars, like Andrei
or Ben Wallace.)
 

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I agree with your analysis of the difference between white players and black players.One on one skill are
very important if you ever want to be a star in the
NBA.There are others besides Nowitzki that can create
their own shot.Players like Kukoc,Van Horn,M.Miller,
Ginobli,B.Barry,etc. On average though,the other players
dribble a little better but their shooting skills are
not that good.To me a complete player is one that can do
it all on both ends of the court.Kirelenko is probably one of the best 2 way players.He brings it on offense and
on defense.Brad Miller is also a very good player in both
aspects of the game.Nowitzki is by far the best European
Player out there and he is a legitimate MVP Candidate.
His defense isn't outstanding but it is solid,he is a
amazing rebounder,good passer,and a incredible shooter.
I have no doubt that there are many other players that
will become stars like these guys if given the chance.
Hopefully,these guys will be the role models for the
white kids every where growing up.
 

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Unfortnately one on one playin the NBAand the percieved skills of one on one players is influenced greatly by NBA officials. White players are known as great one on one players because they are not bailed out by referees like the black stars are. Not surprising that Kobe Bryant leads the league in free throw attempts again. Until the officiating changes, white players will not reach great one on one status. Don't hold your breath.
 

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Officials are definitely affected by a player's
reputation. A good player is more likely to get the
benefit of the doubt, and will get bailed out when he's
blocked. Of course, when Rasheed Wallace couldn't
control himself, he would get technical fouls just for
looking at a ref. He's black, but he developed a
reputation for being a jerk and the refs weren't afraid
to blow the whistle. On the other hand, earlier this
season I saw Bryant stick his finger right in the face
of a ref, and talk down to him, and he didn't get "T'ed
up". I was amazed. Except for the charge call, the
offensive player tends to get the call regardless of
race, in my opinion. Good blocks are called fouls
very often. To be fair, it seems like a hard game to
officiate because the action happens so fast.

Of course, we shouldn't get too caught up in who's a
"star" or not, given that that's often defined by the
people who we're railing against. Who cares who
the media, shoe companies, and the average
brainwashed fan consider to be a "star"? Think
Carmelo Anthony. Look at his endorsements and all
of his commercials. That crybaby pothead who was
in a homemade video with drug dealers... if that's a
"star", then we don't need it.

Having said that, if we want another Rick Barry or
Larry Bird who not only can lead the league in
scoring during the regular season, but can lead his
team to a championship or two or three, he'll need to
have the one-on-one skills to beat the best
defenders at his position over the course of a
postseason. A white player who develops the
reputation of being a great scorer, and- more
importantly- drives to the basket, will get the calls, in
my opinion. Dirk went to the line over 20 times in
that game against Houston. And he didn't do it by
shooting threes! A player isn't going to draw that
many fouls camped out behind the three-point line.
Being aggressive, creating off the dribble, driving to
the basket, and taking a lot of shots other than
threes will get you to the line.
 
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Kaptain Poop is on the mark.

It's also interesting to note that Dirk scores 53 the other night ... and the announcers go on about McGrady - although Smith of all people finally gave Dirk his due.
 

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I know there are plenty of people out there that hate
white people; I wouldn't be here if I didn't understand
that. But I don't think we need a conspiracy theory on
this particular issue. I'm sorry guys, but if we think
that everything is a conspiracy, it'll ruin our credibility.
I'm not saying that there are no conspiracies. But not
everything is a conspiracy. That's for certain. Some
things can be explained in other ways.

Yes, "super stars" like Kobe Bryant get calls that
other players don't. But the offensive player will
usually get the call in the NBA. Period. Another case
in point: Dirk had a bad shooting night against
Detroit, but still managed to score 27 points. How?
By shooting over 15 free throws. Be aggressive,
drive to the basket, have a low post game, and don't
camp out at the three point line, and you'll get foul
calls. Dirk is proving that right now.

And we do have good one-on-one players. Dirk,
Nash, Ginobili, and Jason Williams can all beat
players off the dribble, drive to the basket, etc. If
there aren't more white players that can do those
things, it's not the fault of the officials. Maybe you
could blame college coaches who didn't recruit and
develop them. Maybe their parents for not
supporting them. Maybe NBA teams for not playing
and nurturing them. Maybe the general sports/
media/ popular culture that psychologically impacts
white players in a negative way. And maybe the
players themselves for not having the constitution to
get p*ssed off and work their butts off to defy the
stereotypes and insults. And the officials may be
jerks, too. But if the players are good enough, the
officials can't stop them.
 

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JD074, you're right that the offensive player gets more calls than the defensive player in the NBA. Its what has lead to encouragement of one-on-one play and lack of passing. The officiating in the olympics was much closer to real basketball because it was officiated much differently and more fairly. But if you think that nash, ginobli, or any other white player will get the same calls as Kobe, Shaq,or other black starsyou are sadly mistaken. Do you think that greg ostertag could run over players like Shaq does and get away with it? This is not a conspiracy theory its a fact - guys at the gym joke about it all the time. If white players were rewarded in the same way for overagressive play (both offensively and defensibly) they wouldbeplay moreaggressive already. Are the Captian and the Coronel the only ones that think that white players generally get the shaft by officials?
 

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Shaq and Kobe are the two biggest stars out there,
and I do feel that they get calls that other players
don't get. But that includes "other black stars".
They're really in their own category right now. It goes
beyond race. Duncan and other black players get
whistled for clean blocks quite often. Recently I saw
Ginobili drive to the basket, elbow Tayshaun Prince
in the chest, and go to the line. And you agree that
the offensive player gets the calls (except for the
dreaded charge call, or "flop job"). That includes
guys like Dirk, Nash, Peja, etc. (or at least when they
drive to the basket, which is exactly what Kobe and
Shaq do.) If it's a conspiracy, it's a conspiracy to
increase scoring, since the shooting and passing
are so bad, as you said.

But Shaq is a freak. I agree with the talking heads
that he's difficult to officiate. Sure, he get away with
elbows, but he also fouls guys with his normal
movements. There are many instances where
you're allowed to make normal movements, and if
the defender is in the way, that's his problem. He
can knock a guy down without trying. If another
player hit someone with their own bodyweight and
power, it wouldn't have the same effect as when
Shaq does the same with his bodyweight and
power. Other 7-footers like Ostertag just don't have
his power, and are therefore much easier to officiate.
They can't push someone around like that without
obviously fouling him. Shaq can simply turn his body
and back up the defender. Sometimes there's an
elbow there, but sometimes there's not. It would be
unfair to punish him just because he's big and
strong.

I've seen plenty of bad calls go the other way for
Shaq. I remember a few years ago, in a postseason
series against the Kings, Shaq was called for a
"phantom trip" on Bibby late in the game. I believe
that was Shaq's sixth foul. It was a very big call. And
a horrible one, and it went against Shaq. It's a fast
game and bad calls happen.

Plus, Ostertag doesn't have a low post game. That's
another problem. There aren't that many white
players that have low post games. Ilgauskas and
Gasol are the only two that immediately come to
mind. Having a low post game results in trips to the
free throw line. When white players post up and
drive to the basket, they'll get calls. (Also, being a
bad free throw shooter gets you to the line as well, a
la "Hack a Shaq".)

Also, you have to be just flat-out good. The better you
are, the more calls you'll get because the less
effective defenders are against you. They'll have to
foul you. I love our white players, but there aren't any
white equivalents to Shaq or Kobe in the league right
now. There are a lot of excellent white players, but
none of them can physically overwhelm every single
defender they face with either brute size and strength
(like Shaq), or sheer athleticism (like Kobe). I don't
like to admit that, but it's true.

And as for aggressive play, I wouldn't blame that on
the officials either. Kirilenko has been aggressive
defensively this year. Dirk, Ginobili, and Nash have
been aggressive offensively this year. Bad officiating
hasn't hurt them. And they're certainly not going to let
a bad call here and there stop them from being
excellent players. Besides, wouldn't you say that
black people tend to be more aggressive in general?
A lot of people would say that. Whether it's hormonal
or cultural or whatever, there seems to be a
difference there. Like I mentioned a few weeks ago,
while several of Austin Croshere's black teammates
were duking it out with Pistons fans, he looked like
he was on Valium. Black aggression is a much
larger issue that goes waaaay beyond NBA
officiating. I think we'll all agree on that. Edited by: JD074
 

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The Detroit media raved about the defensive job that Rasheed Wallace did on Nowitzki in the Pistons recent win over the Mavericks. Of course Dirk had a game leading 27 points. The caste system is really struggling when they have to reach so low.
 

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He was just off that night. Most of his shots were
open looks that clanged off the back of the rim. It
wasn't due to the defense. Of course, the very next
night he scored 34 points in a victory against the
Timberwolves. I didn't see that game, so I don't
know if Garnett actually guarded him that much. I did
see one highlight where he scored on Garnett.
Wallace is a good physical match for him, but he just
missed his shots.
 

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The unfair officiating in the NBA has been a disgrace for years now! I've seen Kobe elbow whitey in the face while taking a shot and they called the foul on the white guy!? Ive seen it happen so frequently in the NBA that it is not a conspiracy theory but a conspiracy FACT! And Shaq's only move is to stick is big, black, ass out and ram it into people as he backs his way towards the basket. The reason that the refs dont call fouls on him is not cause he is big and strong, it cause the media has made him a God, and now they must make rules for Shaq only! Bottom line: Dont believe everything ESPN tells you to. peace out
 

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You nailed it horsehockies!I have noticed this for years going on in the NBA.Even with a player like Jordan in the past,you couldn't even touch him with a finger nail!
There is a double standard and the superstar players get
all the calls with the exception of Dirk & Peja.
 

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I remember seeing Bryant elbow Doug Christie-
who's black- in the face, and they called the foul on
Christie's face! And I already mentioned the terrible
"phantom trip" call against O'Neal in the playoffs.
And why is using your butt to back down a player
necessarily a foul? I still think Kobe and Shaq are in
their own category, above the other white and
black players (although Lebron James looks to be
joining them.) They're favored because they're the
biggest stars, and the biggest "stars" are black partly
because of the caste system, but also partly
because a lot of them are truly talented (like Garnett
and Duncan). But I don't think there's an officiating
conspiracy against white players. If anything, there's
a conspiracy to prop up the scorers, like Kaptain and
I have said. Most of those scorers are black, but
some are white, like Dirk. I've seen some
questionable calls that have gone in his favor this
year.It's partly racial because American sports in
general props up the black athlete, but I doubt that
it's an overt conspiracy to suppress white scorers.
Dirk scored over 25 points per game the year before
last, and Peja scored over 24 ppg last season. Why
didn't the officials stop them? That's a pretty lame
conspiracy.

White players understand that they just have to have
the b*lls to work hard and be better than their
opponents. They have to beat their black opponents,
not the refs. If they can't do it, we just have to suck it
up and not whine about it. Fortunately we have quite
a few guys in the NBA that can, like Dirk, Nash, and
Ginobili. Hopefully Europe will continue its influx and
we'll have even more over the next several years....

And no, I don't believe everything ESPN tells me to. In
fact I criticize its talking heads on a regular basis.
 

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The poopster chimes in. Basketball is a sport unlike most othersin that refrees calls account for a large portion of the score. As such, it is a flawed sport. The best refreeing job I've seen recently was done in the olympics and whites dominated. I think the white talent is there now. I don't believe that if Kobeand Shaq were white (with the same skills) that they would get the calls thay do now. I don't think that officials actually "conspire" to screw white players. I just believe that the refrees are not unlike the ESPN talking heads and have been brainwashed into thinking whites are less talented or something so they end up screwing him anyway. Maybe they are afraid of being called racist by a black player and overcompensate - I can't say exactly. Shaq's but move is definetly a foul and no white player would ever get away with that stellar move. I think Dirk would average over thirty if he were black. But playoffs is usually when the officiating really sucks.Does anybody remember the Utah Jazz/Chicago final? It was one sided refereeing against any white player on the court. God that pissed me off. I'm done.
 

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I totally agree with the Captain and horsehockles. The refs are NOT fair, Not even close to fair.Ive seen it even inthe state highschool basketball tourneys. I know first hand that the refs can make or break a team or individual players career.
 

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Whenever there comes along a white player as good as O'Neal
or Bryant, maybe they'll get the same calls, or at least most of
the same calls. We have a lot of good of white NBA players,
but none of them are at the same level as those two,
unfortunately. I don't like them at all, so I don't like to admit it,
but I have to give it to them: they can dominate the game
physically in a way that no white basketball player can. Maybe
someday....
 

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Wake up and smell the Lutefisk.... O'neil has average to below average skills. Have you seen him shoot freethrows lately? For that matter have you seen him shoot the ball period. He does have size and big elbows and he is not afraid to use them. He is very good at knocking people over and at the same time drawing the foul. Is this really basketball?Give thanks to the refrees for rewarding this outstanding talent O'Neil has. I know some seventh graders that can outshoot O'neil. Meanwhile a player like Greg Ostertag gets hacked to pieces everytime he handles the ball. He gets called for a foul on defense for just standing stillwhile Jordan or Pippen sprint to the hoop ramming into him while they "shoot" the ball. If the refrees called an honest game O'neil would foul out in the first ten minutes.


Bryant is also using the refrees to score points. His only game is sprinting to the basket and drawing the foul. Along with his selfish "ballhogging" he is bound to score points but that does not make him a talented player. Remember all his end of game airballs he has thrown? Without the refrees he is just an average player. With his attitude he is below average.
 
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