DID Gerry Cooney take a dive??

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  1. space hillbilly

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    If you watch the fight, take note of how Cooney went down early
    from a nothing Holmes punch, that was to keep the blacks in the crowd from going crazy.....
     
  2. sport historian

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    Cooney seemed to be "holding back" because Holmes wouldn't let himself be trapped in a corner as Lyle and Norton did in Cooney's one round KO's before the title fight. What did Cooney have to gain by taking a dive compared to the fortune he would have made as heavyweight champion of the world?

    Do you think that Peter was "holding back" against Klitschko? Are the Klitschkos victories also fixed?
     
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    Who cares about Gerry Cooney. Wladimir Klitschko is the champ now, and no one can dispute that!!![​IMG]
     
  4. space hillbilly

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    Peter came out swing, Cooney didn't.
    back in the 80's heavyweight boxing was a 99% black sport,
    and they had a long history of takeing up the torch if things didn't go their way.....
     
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    Do any of you defending the integrity of boxing also think pro wrestling is legitimate? I don't see how anyone of reasonable intelligence can look at those who have always been connected with the "sport"- the greasy, overtly mobster-like trainers and promoters, and doubt for a second that it is full of corruption.

    Bert Sugar? Teddy Atlas? Bob Arum? Angelo Dundee? They all sound and look like caricatures from an old Warner Brothers gang picture. And as for Don King, well...do we even have to say anything else about a "sport" that features this cretin as its foremost promoter? There was a tremendous amount of racial tension surrounding the Holmes-Cooney fight. Just as no white would be allowed to beat any black at that time in any head to head, highly publicized competition, Cooney was never going to be allowed to win.

    Cassius Clay/Ali was one of the most destructive influences our modern civilization has ever seen. We see his childish, unsportsmanlike antics in nearly every black athlete who has been in the public eye for the past 40 years. His fights were a complete joke. Dancing, gesturing to the crowd, with his obnoxious sidekick Howard Cosell always there to interpret what the "champ" was up to, and sing his praises. If his "fights" had been judged fairly, he probably would have had a losing career record. Remember, he "knocked out" Sonny Liston with what even mainstream journalists referred to as "the invisible punch."

    I have said it before- if blacks and hispanics hadn't dominated (through the usual orchestration) boxing for so long, this "sport" would have been abolished long ago. I think it's obvious that many, if not most, of the highly publicized prize fights during the last 50 years or so, at least, have been fixed.
     
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    Good post, Bigunreal. Some fixing still goes on today. When Haye "beat" Valuev there was plenty of behind the scenes work going on. In my opinion the judges were paid to give Haye the win as long as the fight was somewhat close in the ring. Valuev won that fight by at least two rounds and lost on the cards. Why was this done? They needed a black champion to spice things up in the division. They needed a retarded negro to engage in TNB and make the division "interesting" again. The Klitschko's dominate every single fighter they face and almost never lose a round. Hence the Jews wanted Haye to move up in weight and cause a scene which he has done. The only problem is the plan backfired. Even the DWF's know Haye is a fraud.
     
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    When this fight is talked about as a possible fix it's viewed the other way on the judging. Two judges had Cooney barely down going into the 13th round and would have had him ahead without the 3 points lost due to low blows. Most ringside observers had Holmes ahead fairly comfortably. Like I said in a previous post about this fight Cooney took a pounding under hot lights that made the ring well over 100 degrees. If he was going to throw the fight he wouldn't have hung around until the 13th round. Edited by: white is right
     
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    Unreal does have a point about King. He has had obvious rigged draws in famous clashes ie Chavez vs Whitaker, Lewis vs Holyfield I. In Lewis vs Holyfield I, one judge who gave Holyfield a round where he landed virtually no punches. This same judge had filed for bankruptcy before this fight. I remember watching this fight and wondering how a fight that I scored about 10-2 or 9-3 Lewis could be anything close to a draw. Edited by: white is right
     
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    Why are the Klitschkos being allowed to win?
     
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    Perhaps because the Jewish supremacists don't have the power in Europe they have in the US? Perhaps it's more difficult to get away with the shady stuff there?

    Of course the sports media in the US is either ignoring the brothers or discrediting them. Atlas, Raskin, Dettloff, Kellerman and the others, with their constant negativity, are following their protocols very well.

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    Right! thing's can happen outside their control,
    the jewish media work inside real happening's in the world, and spin it their way, like a mass shooting. it's the evil gun! and not the
    non-white shooter....
     
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    They also can't be robbed by crooked judging. When your battering around Sam Peter for 3 minutes of every round how can score the round for Peter. Vitali and Wladimir routinely do this for nearly every round for all their major and minor fights.
     
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    I don't doubt that the fight game is rotten to the core, and any fight can be fixed. I did see the Cooney fight when it happened and I don't think he was taking a dive. Why fight so many rounds if you are just going to throw it? Even if he loses he's still up for a rematch which didn't happen because Cooney went nuts. I thought he put up a pretty good fight in his first big event so I was looking forward to much more. I'm more suspicious that he was encouraged to take a dive for the rest of his career then just that fight considering what happened.
     
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    That's easy! the evidence is clear, for 40 years [55to95] something "shady" went on in pro boxing.
    back then so few white heavyweights turned pro they could be paidoff or robbed,
    but when the Berlinwall came down in germany, hundred's
    of of easteuropan boxers started turnning professional,
    too many to bully or buy, so, it's clear, the jews/white-haters lost control of boxing....
     
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    There is no way (IMO) that Cooney took a dive. If anything, the enourmous hype surrounding the fight and the self imposed pressure on him to win was so great that he got away from his normal fighting style. He admitted later that he decided to "pace" himself for a long fight instead of going for a knockout right away. A tactical mistake to be sure, but undeestanable since he had never gone 15 rounds (or anywhere close to it) before.

    If you watch the fight again, he did quite well and was indeed a head on two of the judges scorecards until late in the fight.

    I actually had the opportunity to meet Cooney years after this fight, and can tell you that he was a extremely nice and warm hearted guy who devoted his time to helping less fortunate boxers. In fact, one of his partners was Larry Holmes, who has said several times in interviews that Cooney was a very good fighter and hit Holmes harder than nay other fighter he faced.
     
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    Yeah, Cooney didn't take a dive. He was just the most poorly managed fighter in heavyweight history.
     
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    Is, not was. And just yesterday I met someone who used to know him and she said the same thing.

    And yeah, the tactical mistake to be sure was what I always thought too - that plus the fact that he had only fought two rounds in the past two years. The idea of him deliberately holding back had never occurred to me before reading this thread.

    What would have been in it for him? What was in it for Valuev and his team when they stood there like lambs without even protesting when the crooked judges robbed them of the title in the Haye fiasco, and then failing to take advantage of the rematch clause in the bargain? Boxing is a very corrupt sport run by very shady characters. They can't necessarily make sure their man wins, but they can make sure he loses. Not saying that about Cooney, but you gotta look at things in context and consider the possibilities. I'd like to see the whole fight again, if for no other reason than it was one of the most exciting boxing milieus ever.


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    Tactical misteke? the trouble is every white heavyweight fighter over that forty year time frame made a "tactical mistake", Cooney tried to out box a boxer, Quarry made a "tactical mistake" trying to out slug a sluger [Frazier] and to out box a boxer [Ellis], Joe Bugner made a "tactical mistake" to just lay back and let Ali do all the fighting...
     
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    Quarry, Bugner, Cooney, etc weren't good enough to win. What proof is there to the contrary?
     
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    Well Mr.historian, ask yourself this, why is it that the white heavyweight fighters
    stopped making tactical mistekes in big fights right after easteurope opend up?
     
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    Losers always make tactical mistakes. That's why they lose. By the way, didn't Wladimir Klitschko get stopped a few times after Eastern Europe opened up? Was he making "tactical mistakes" when he was KO'd?
     
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    NO! Waldimir was only tko'd once, and that was by a white man,
    he gassed out once when he was very young, and he was druged once...
     
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    If buffoonery of this type, rather than serious discussion, is going to be the norm, it may be time for me to leave. This time, permanently.
     
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    SH I agree, its like conspiracy theorists have taken over and now are looking for Rosie Odonnell to join CF boards. I hope you reconsider and stay. Your posts are well thought out and no doubt informative.
     
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    you are reaching to say the least. Cooney threw away whatever chance he had at winning by not training hard. he should've come in ripped and tried to clobber Holmes early like he did with Norton.

    you also mention that "heavyweight boxing was a 99% black sport." if that's the case, then Holmes would be the one getting bribed, not Cooney. remember, the "great white hope" tagline sells huge in boxing.
     
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