Decline in music

Discussion in 'Happy Hour' started by IceSpeed2, Jun 9, 2005.

  1. IceSpeed2

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    Today, bands come and go by the thousands. One
    hit wonders are the norm. The alt-rock scene produces fewer and
    fewer talented bands. Around 2002, a good majority of the
    alt-rock was just angry or sad noises. Of course, there are some
    strong bands out there. There are fewer and fewer Radioheads,
    Green Days, Sublimes, and Jets. There used to be bands that
    produced hit after hit like the Beatles and Queen. Whatever
    happened to rock and roll.

    The art has gone out of music. It
    used to be about skill and talent, but it is becoming more and more
    about marketing and being plain old weird. If it were about art,
    Ozzy would not have been such an idiot and freak and would have been an
    amazing guitar player.

    Whats the deal with the black gangsta
    rap. No one needs to hear about how you are guilty of
    sollicitation, murder, and rape.

    Maybe this fad has past. Green
    Day's American Idiot was well done(although very left wing and all but
    thats their right). Jet showcases their versatility with every
    song. In the Hip Hop sector, I heard the first benevolent hip/hop
    song "Where is the Love". It actually condemns the crypts(I
    think.)
     
  2. Colonel_Reb

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    Ozzy met a great guitar player named Randy Rhoades after he left Black Sabbath. Randy played on the album that included Crazy Train in 1981. Then he died a few months later. Ozzy was always a singer, not a guitar player. He wrote songs and sang? them. I agree that there are few real influential bands left. I personally like The Darkness, as they are pretty versatile and have some awesome guitar too. Jet has some punch too, but I don't know how long they will be big. I hope we have turned a corner, and that the days of one hit wonders are over. I'm ready for a real dominant total package rock and roll group to come on the scene.
     
  3. IceSpeed2

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    OOPS. Forgot about that. I guess it was because the band
    was also called Ozzy Ozbourne. My bad. Thanks for the info.
     
  4. CountryBoy

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    Now days on the music scene... for high school kids and college kids, is if you don't listen to hip hop/rap you are not cool in your peers eyes. I know this because I grew up in this generation. I graduated from high school 3 years ago and I hate to say this but High School was the worst years of my life.


    High School....very very veryfew people my age listened to country music and I loved country music. Instead they all listened to names such as Dr. Dre, Meathod Man, Redman, Akon, Nelly, Usher, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, P.Diddy, the list goes on and on. Sadly I fell into the hip hop influence and started listening to this shameful so called music they all listened to and totally dropped country. I figured damn, everyone else is and I am not. So I followed. I wish I could take back those years and kept it real. But that is the way that things go :(


    Proud to say I am over my hip hop phase and got back into my love for country music!


    As for my thoughts onRock N' Roll. Never really did like the modern day rock, except for groups such as Nikelback and Staind. The NEW Kid Rock materiel is worth checking out. Has almost like a Lynard Skynard and Bob Seger style on his self titled CD.
     
  5. white lightning

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    Why is it that white people listen to Hip Hop but blacks
    & most hispanics don't listen to rock or country?A little
    close minded I would say.White kids seem to be searching
    to find themselves.They don't seem to know where they
    fit it.The key to being cool is just being yourself.If
    you like something enough,usually that will rub off on
    other people.If others cut down country,tell them that
    their music isn't even music.Alot of people can rap to
    a beat.You don't have to learn a instrument or even know
    how to sing.Even if you listen to a little hip hop,never
    stray away from your roots.Be proud of who you are and
    you will find girls that love country guys.Trust me on
    that.Just be yourself.By the way,welcome to the board.
     
  6. bigunreal

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    I think "hip hop" or "rap" (what is the difference?) is horrible, but I
    don't like mainstream country, either. It seems to be filled with super
    "patriot" types who like to wear big hats and blindly support the
    foreign escapades of our government. There are some truly brilliant
    musical artists out there. Elvis Costello is, imho, the greatest
    musical figure of the past 25 years. If you haven't listened to any of
    his stuff, do so. You won't be disappointed. I like a lot of the newer
    alternative bands, like Better Than Ezra, Our Lady Peace, Vertical
    Horizon, Embrace and Simple Plan. Despite her punky demeanor, I love
    Avril Lavigne's music. If you like really talented country musicians,
    Rascal Flatts and the Dixie Girls are about as good as it gets, imho.
    Anyhow, musical tastes are all subjective, but I thought I'd throw some
    opinions out here, as I seem to do on every subject.
     
  7. Colonel_Reb

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    I'd rather listen to Gospel, classic rock, bluegrass, or oldies, which is what I grew up listening to. Some old country is good too, plus seeing as how I'm from the Delta, and know a little about "the blues," I like to listen to it too. I don't like this new stuff they somehow call blues, it sounds more like soul to me. Anyway, when I say old blues, I mean 1930's through early 60's.
     
  8. Sharpie97

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    I really like grunge. Bands like Alice in chains,Soundgarden,Nirvana and Stone Temple Pilots. The only problem is the lead singer is either dead or most of the grunge bands have broken up.
     
  9. speedster

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    I like classic rock.Journey rules,with Steve Perry of course.
     
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    I've really gotten into bluegrass over the last couple years.
    Allison Krauss and Union Station make some of the most
    beautiful music, I believe. The "contemporary" country seems
    to be pretty watered down/ crossover stuff.

    Classical music goes without saying. Most people don't have
    the attention span for classical, but it's obviously beautiful
    music.

    Classic rock bands/ performers like ACDC (I know it's "Devil's
    music, but they were talented,) Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Eric
    Clapton (when he's not worshipping black music) are very
    good. Today's rock generally doesn't have the same
    musicianship that the older bands had. Part of it is that they're
    really young, and I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of
    pressure to make shorter songs- absent long guitar solos- in
    order to be radio-friendly. I've heard a few Keane songs and I
    like them. Filter is pretty good, too. Coldplay is a little mushy,
    but I enjoy them.

    Rap is really dumbing down music and youth in general. No
    redeeming qualities whatsoever. It's a haven for those who
    have no musical talents. If you can't sing, write, or play an
    instrument, that's okay! You have a home in "hip hop". [​IMG]
     
  11. JD074

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    I'll also say that I think grunge (and punk as well) was a bad
    influence on rock because they were generally noisier and less
    polished than earlier sub-genres of rock. And of course it's
    much more angst-ridden and negative. Kurt Cobain was
    talented, but I can't say the he was a positive influence on
    music and youth. On the other hand, much of rock in the 80's
    was very shallow, androgynous, and fashion-oriented (inspired
    in part by the gay lead singer of Judas Priest, forget his name.)
    So the bare bones rock in the 90's swept away all that silly
    stuff. But the musicianship still hasn't recovered from its
    influence.

    Grunge + Rap = a lot of noisy, uninspiring, unhappy music

    And I agree about Journey. One of the more underrated
    bands, and Perry had an exceptional voice.
     
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    Haha, it's ironic that I just watched the news about the Chicago Blues Festivale and saw this thread. They were talking about how there was hardly any black preformers or audience. They said most of the people that went to these festivale were older whites. Even all the performers they showed were all white. It sure is something to see a blue festivale with virtually no blacks. The news reporter was a black guy having to hear why white people thought blacks didn't attend the blues festivale. One of them suggested they like rap music more now. I guess this is how it is now.
     
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    Don't forget White "soul" music. Celtic is the most popular white folkish music right now, but theres all kinds. Really neat listening to something that was composed when our folk still went into battle with swords and axes.
     
  14. Don Wassall

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    JD mentioned Eric Clapton worshipping black music.An interesting tidbit thatthe establishment media has swept into the memory hole is that Clapton was for a brief time a supporter of Britain's National Front. This was in the mid-'70s, when the NFhad a huge surge in popularity and briefly became the strongest nationalist or right wing partyseen in either Britain or the U.S. since WWII, before rapidly declining in the late '70s due to infighting (some of itbecause ofgovernment provocateurs). Detractors of course referred to it as fascistand nationalist socialist. It remains today but only as a microscopic shell of its old self.


    Even more amazing, David Bowie also briefly was identified with the NF at the same time! Both Clapton and Bowie quickly repented of their "sin" and have ever since done more than their share in promoting multiculturalism and, in Bowie's case, sexual ambiguity and degeneracy. And in return, their little diversion into supporting pro-white politics has been forgiven and forgotten.


    Lemmy, the lead singer of Motorhead, was briefly into the white power music scene in the late '70s and early '80s but backed off.
     
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    Rob Halford,JD074
     
  16. JD074

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    Don, interesting that you mention the Motorhead guy because I
    saw him do an interview recently, saying that he and Clapton
    would try to "figure out" how Jimi Hendrix played the guitar the
    way he did, and that they could never figure it out. Perhaps
    more repentance?
     
  17. surfsider

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    Guess I'll chime in. I enjoy anything from any genre that is good. That said though, what I spend( spent, I haven't shelled out any cash for an album oops, I mean tape oops again I mean CD in quite awhile) would be classed in a subset of rock. Top 10 bands for me would be(and in no particular order[and keeping in mind that if asked tomorrow the list could be very different]):
    The Who, T.Rex, The Jam, Buzz*******s, The Replacements, Husker Du, Sex Pistols, The Dickies, Badfinger and though not a band I love Patsy Cline. While never looking to pop music for any guidance politically, morally, spiritually or otherwise I've never been overly judgmental regarding pop's more baleful influences but rap repulses me. It has become a bizarre self-parody that people foolishly accept and treat as if it is at the level of fine art.
     
  18. Colonel_Reb

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    Badfinger made some good music, as did The Who. Pete Townshend is one of my favorite guitar players, my favorite being Jimmy Page.
     
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    It wouldn't be surprising if Clapton is the next British rocker to be honored with the title of "Sir," following Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger and Elton John. That list gives a pretty clear indication of which sidelong agowon the Culture War and continues to institutionalize its revolution as it carries outmop-up operations against remaining pockets of resistance. The good news is that decadence always brings about its own downfall, followed by renewal.
     
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    That last line hit the nail on the head Don! [​IMG]
     
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    While never looking to pop music for any guidance politically,
    morally, spiritually or otherwise I've never been overly
    judgmental regarding pop's more baleful influences
    (snip)

    I'm in the same boat. Pop music isn't really all that uplifting or
    transformative. It's just fun, a diverson. People shouldn't take
    it much more seriously than that- and certainly shouldn't
    worship "pop stars". I don't think most musicians are all that
    bright in other areas- like politics. They're oftentimes not even
    very good songwriters. I tend to ignore lyrics, unless
    something really bad pops out at me- usually either a really
    bad rhyme, or something that gnaws at me on a political or
    philosophical level. Also most of them take drugs which I think
    can muddle their music- contrary to the mythology that drugs
    make one more creative, I think it simply makes you less
    critical/ analytical so that you fool yourself into thinking you're
    being more creative! [​IMG]

    but rap repulses me.

    No argument there. [​IMG] Edited by: JD074
     
  22. jaxvid

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    I grew up on "classic" rock and still like it but Geez I've heard each song a jillion times and there are radio stations that still play them over and over.

    I think country music has come a long way. Modern country can rock and more importantly to me it speaks to things I can identify with, adult life, love, loss, the happiness that comes from traditional things.

    There is some good contempory music but really how often can you listen to the angst of a teenage girl which is a good percentage of modern "rock" music?

    I also have found that the music of white singers like Frank Sinatra and Bing Crosby is worth listening to. Also Johnny Cash. White men should listen to white men (and a few white women) when they want to be entertained.
     
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    I have Frank Sinatra's Greatest Hits and I have listened
    to it countless times.I used to laugh at my parent when
    I was a kid but I get the music now.He was a incredible
    singer and entertainer.I enjoy most forms of music.I
    really appreciate someone with a powerful voice.
     
  24. Colonel_Reb

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    I like listening to Elvis a lot, and watching some of his old shows. Andy Williams was a favorite of my grandparents and my parents. I became a fan of him too as I grew up. Remember the songs written by teh Osmonds that he sung on "Where the Red Fern Grows" ? Now that is good music.
     
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    There is a treasure trove of music created by white people going back over hundreds of years. It's worthwhile delving into the old music. Rock, classical, jazz, folk, traditional - whites have done it all.
     

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