College Football Conference Championships 2017

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  1. Shadowlight

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    A lot of caste speak tumbling from ESPN and others regarding the Final Four. The most noticeable is the always annoying term "eye test" which everyone here knows exactly how to interpret. Alabama, what a surprise, passes the eye test so the powers that be are just itching to get them in come hell or high water. If Auburn, Wisconsin, Oklahoma and Clemson win then I don't see any way they can grease in their favorite sons-- caste laden Alabama. One slip up by any of the above teams apart from the winner of the SEC Title game though and they will slip their "boys" in. And they don't deserve it.

    As for caste speak below is an ESPN article about Wisconsin that is pretty damn caste. There are some athletic compliments for some of the white LB's but the focus on the "black" WR's who the writer sees as the most noteworthy "athletes" with speed is what prompted the article in the first place make no mistake. And frankly I never noticed the jet like speed of the Wisconsin WR"s. Apart from their TE and back up RB Wisconsin is not caste friendly on offense ( no white WR's) and apparently that gives ESPN an opportunity to push the caste pedal. Will it ever end?

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  2. Shadowlight

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    When I am down in the dumps with caste world other wise known as big time sports I start to get nostalgic. It has always bewildered me that the Pac 12 has had a shortage of white WR's for some time now. Off the top of my head Oregon's Mike Haas made huge noise with gigantic stats for three years from 2003-2005. Just this year I can only think of two players worth noting. Washington State's Kyle Sweet and Stanford's Trent Irwin. Irwin will be in action Friday in the big one against USC. He is still a player of interest despite just ok stats (39 catches). They rarely send him on the deeper patterns which is annoying but he only has one year left to prove to NFL scouts he has what it takes. Will next season finally be his break out year? I doubt it given the way his Junior season has gone but I still think he has shown the flashes of talent that indicate he DOES have what it takes but the play calling for him has been too much dump and drivel crap. Time will tell.

    That said it got me thinking back to a few other WR's that have starred in the Pac 12. Of course Danny Farmer of UCLA was a top end star from 96-99 and had his best year in 98 with a fantastic 58-1274-9 stat line. Farmer played sparingly for the Bengals for three years before disappearing off the map. Right before Farmer was the electric Keith Poole of Arizona State who was known for his long TD's. He played from 94-96 and his best year was 95 where he put up a 55-1036-7 stat line. He went on to play for the Saints and played for a few years racking up big yardage plays. His best season was 99 with a stat line of 42-796-6. He was a deep threat even in the NFL. Theses guys have all been discussed here at caste but I have two more names that may have never been mentioned here.

    I remember seeing these two WR's on TV and thinking WOW this is where it is at, UCLA and USC. Can't say that today. The year was 1990 and it was the only year USC's Gary Wellman and UCLA's Sean LaChappelle competed against one another. Wellman was a senior and LaChappelle was just a sophomore.
    Wellman was a small but strong ultra speedster who racked up a great 66-1015 stat line that year. LaChappelle was a smooth bigger receiver whose best season was 91 where he had a 73-1056 stat line. Good stuff but for some reason I can't recall their brief NFL careers. Looking it up Wellman played for Houston for a few years and caught 31 passes during the 93-94 season. LaChappelle landed with the Chiefs with his career high in catches for a season being 27. Neither one made a big dent but they were both DRAFTED which is like pulling teeth these days.

    Trivial stuff I know but Wellman #83 was extremely electric with his quickness and speed. Pure dynamite. Think Tim Dwight. Come on Pac 12 you can do better than just a couple of few white WR's every year for crying out loud. See below his trading card with stats.

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  3. Shadowlight

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    QB Baker Mayfield is a wild card in more ways than one. There is no consensus on where he will land in the upcoming draft although most have settled on somewhere in the first round. He is practically the shoe in to win the Heisman. Many eyes will be on him for the early Big 12 TCU Title game (noon EST). I want to see Mayfield not just run around but run for yardage. If his team wins he could play up to two more games and if he totally rocks is it out of the question he vaults to number one on the draft board? See below a very nice brand new SI cover.

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  4. Don Wassall

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    I wrote about both Wellman and LaChappelle in the early days of Caste Football as I followed both in college and closely watched both be totally screwed by the NFL. Unfortunately that material was lost in the multiple hacks that damaged this site.

    Wellman started playing a lot in the back half of the '93 season with the Oilers. That was when Warren Moon was still going strong, throwing to his "smurfs" that all racked up big stats along with Moon. Wellman was as good as any of them when he played in '93, uncoverable really, very reminiscent of Wes Welker as far as quickness but faster, and as a reward for playing so well Wellman received the typical Caste treatment, having his playing time greatly reduced in '94 and then was out of the league altogether.

    LaChappelle likewise had one season where he flashed, in '96, and then was tossed to the scrapheap for good. He had 2 receptions with the Rams in '93 and then continued to roam the far fringes of the league until finally receiving some playing time in '96. Again, as I recall it was in the second half of the season as so often happens with White receivers, and LaChappelle went 27/422/2 with Kansas City. Marty Schottenheimer was the Chiefs' head coach in '96, and Schottenheimer was as hostile to White players at verboten positions as Dick "Cry Me a River" Vermeil, who was LaChappelle's coach in '93 with the Rams. LaChappelle never played again after the '96 season.

    White receivers were even more openly screwed in the 1990s by the NFL than they are now. Todd Kinchen out of LSU was another one from that era that comes to mind who had great talent but was always a backup even though he had obvious starter talent. Same for Chris Doering, the record breaking SEC receiver out of Florida who never received anything close to an opportunity to start. White receivers in general were very few and far between in the '90s, and of course there were no White running backs after Merrill Hoge was summarily demoted to blocking fullback by Bill Cowher after he took over from Chuck Noll after the 1991 season. (Of course "fullback" Mike Alstott received a fair amount of carries in the late '90s into the '00s.) It remains the worst of the worst eras as far as rooting for White NFL players.
     
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    Hey Don, why do you think White WR's get a few more opportunities now than they did in the 90's?? Why would they get screwed more back then? It was a very frustrating time for sure!
     
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    I think it was huge when Wayne Chrebet and Ed McCaffrey broke through with thousand yard seasons in 1998. Before that there hadn't been any by a White receiver going back to 1986 when Steve Largent and Cris Collinsworth both had their last thousand yard seasons. So going into the 1998 season, you had not only a 13 year drought without a thousand yard White running back and a 12 year drought without a thousand yard White tight end, there was also a 12 year drought without a thousand yard White wide receiver. So through that long drought, the Caste System "rule" had developed that the thousand yard White receiver had become extinct, just as he had at running back.

    After Chrebet and McCaffrey broke through, that opened things up in '99, a season I recall fondly and have written about many times. All of a sudden Bill Schroeder was also a thousand yard receiver, and Patrick Jeffers had his monster run in the second half of that year to go over 1,000 yards with a bunch of long TD catches, McCaffrey went over 1,000 yards for the second straight year, Keith Poole had his best season and so did Tim Dwight. Poole and Dwight were one-two in yards per catch in the entire league and Jeffers was up there too. And then you had Darren Chiaverini, who had played quite a bit for Cleveland as a rookie in '99 and looked like a budding star.

    I was absolutely thrilled by what happened in 1999 for White receivers, and then it pretty much came crashing down the next season -- Jeffers' knee was taken out in a preseason game by what seemed like a dirty play by Chad Scott of the Steelers, Poole and Dwight were demoted, and Chiaverini somehow found himself in the doghouse and quickly flamed out of the league. Danny Farmer was drafted in the fourth round by Pittsburgh only to inexplicably be waived in training camp -- an altercation with the same Chad Scott seemed to seal his fate. Only McCaffrey, who served a seven-year racial apprenticeship before his breakthrough in '98, went over 1,000 yards in 2000 (for the last time in his career), and Schroeder came within a yard at 999, but the season was a real letdown and it got worse for a few years after that.

    But then you had the rise of Drew Bennett and Brandon Stokley in '04 before they fell back again the next year, then Mike Furrey, also for a single season, followed by Welker who was a true superstar in receptions and yardage, and then Jordy, the best deep receiver since Lance Alworth, and others like Eric Decker and Brian Hartline. So it's been up and down with White receivers periodically "put in their place" when they seem to be doing too well, but it's never gone back down to the depths of the '90s and likely won't again because of the sheer amount of White talent in college that overcomes Caste obstacles at the position, though White receivers are almost always drafted later than they should be (or not at all), and then have to serve racial apprenticeships. Cooper Kupp has broken the mold somewhat in that regard, but I highly doubt it's the onset of a favorable trend toward fairness.
     
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  8. Kaptain

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    To add to that I think the reason the 90's were so bad was because white people in this nation were blind-sighted through the late 80's and then 90's with racial guilt. As a group us white people fell in line and followed the agenda not daring to question it no matter how ridiculous. I rationalize that it's a combination of collective herd mentality and tendency for our race to be overly introspective - traits that may be desirable in a stable cohesive monolithic environment but one that is suicidal in a diverse conflicted society. Deprogramming people has taken a long time but as time has gone by more people have realized that they are not alone in seeing the absurdity of it all. And some well wishing do goody white people just had to experience diversity first hand to change their mind.
     
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    Funny thing after I posted I noticed in a round about way both Don and 22 were discussing Wellman etc.. back when. I like these "history" lessons and Don should be a teaching a class called the "history of white WR's." Sign me up. I will be in the front row with my hand up asking questions non stop. Ha. Again I cannot recall the NFL careers of Wellman or LaChappelle. Blind spot. Vaguest memory of Wellman but nothing on LaChappelle and the NFL.

    Chris Doering was a very fine Florida WR who I remember well. Not great speed but it did seem like he would become a star in the NFL as well but it never panned out. Kind of a junior version of Chris Collinsworth--same school size etc. I also fondly remember Todd Kinchen. Very exciting LSU WR who could get deep. I remember being frustrated over his NFL career. At the end of the day between 94-97 he is mostly remembered as a good PR and KR for the high flying Rams. Speaking of LSU going back into the mid 80's was WR/RB Sammy Martin. Very quick versatile player who made it into the NFL and much like Kinchen was relegated to return duty for the Pats between 88-91.

    Late edit since I brought him up below is a 66 yard TD pass to Sammy Martin when at least there were some white skill players in the SEC. Check out the speed Whoa!!!

     
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    Great post DON! Save it for the VAULT. I could be here all day commenting on everything you mentioned but I will point out just a couple of things. As I observe the sports world today as a whole I have to say there has been NO progress as far as the white athlete. Even in the long bad spell in regards to NFL white WR's other sports notably basketball had great white players who were at the forefront. Think Larry Bird or the great Christian Laettner Duke teams. Today there is a hell of a lot less to FALL BACK ON. Baseball has been overun by non white foreign players and basketball just does not feel at all like it once did. If anything college football has become even more black oreiented. Just take a gander at these all or nearly all black defenses we see every Saturday. And teams like the SEC rarely field skilled white players anymore. Off the top of my head were there any white DB's playing on SEC teams this year? What about back ups? I am talking safeties of course because the sight of a white CB starting in the SEC might signal the end of the world. Good God I just don't see progress and every inch that has been gained has to be fought for with blood sweat and tears with the ever present fear that whites will disappear off the radar and we will never see another white RB or WR ever again. See the "History of the White CB" as a road map to hell on that score.
    Just have to hope white athletes perservere and make it through and some have thank God but that dark pit is never far away.

    The name of super athlete WR Bill Schroeder brings to mind the rich history of athletic and fast white Packer WR's. Starting with the original Don Hutson down to the present day Jordy Nelson. The great Packers of the 1960's featured Boyd Dowler, Max McGee and Carroll Dale. I was a small child but I remember Carroll Dale. Perhaps the first WR that got my attention. He was a very fleet footed home run threat that was a thrill a minute. One of my earliest favorite players. That was back in the day when loads of NFL and AFL teams had superb white deep threat WR's. Seems like another lifetime ago.
     
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    Since we are wondering about the 90's and wide receivers, I remember another player from LSU, Brett Bech, playing for the Saints. Every time he got an opportunity he produce in a big way. He couldn't stick in the league because of the rigid caste system and went on to the arena league. He is now an assistant strength coach for the Dallas Cowboys.
     
  12. TwentyTwo

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    Thanks for the nice reply Don & refreshing the memory on the Time-line! ...Born in the 70's..was just a kid at the beginning of that bad Dry Spell 86'-98' ..but remember it well.
    The FFL Drafts sure were lame back then w/o the Skill players. McCaffrey was about the only one..so under used for so long.... It is GOOD to see the Uptick since then....and encouraging that it won't be re-visited again! Like you said an ebb-n-flow type of deal...Currently HS Recruiting Services don't seem to reverse the trend.

    Remember Pat Jeffers (6'-3" 217?) was a Former Walk-on that went to Virginia..Impressive stretch explosive games; hated that knee injury!(I see Chad Scott's name twice.)
    6'-5" Drew Bennett went to UCLA as a QB
    5'-10"ish Chrebet was quite a story as a Training Camp body at the very end of the Depth Chart
    Bill Schroeder went to a D2 School like Adam Theilen

    Only One name not mentioned i can think of; was one of my favorites...Kevin Curtis....4.35 NFL Combine ....Drafted in 03' by the Rams had some good seasons including a few 100+ yard games in the Playoffs(played w Bruce & Holt i believe)....became the 2nd player in NFL history to have two back-to-back 100-yard receiving games in the playoffs before ever recording one in the regular season. ...then in 07' w the Eagles he had the Epic 11 catch game for 221 yards & 3 TD's (9 for 205 1st half). Finish w 1,110 yards on the season.
     
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    I remember watching Jeffers and Drew Bennett in short highlights on tv back then. Their height made them stand out to me. Their long legs while running reminded me of an elegant, fast animal. I wasn't thinking about the racial implications in those days. Those two guys were really impressive.

    There is an article at titansonline.com from 2013 titled "Where are they now wr drew bennet"
    It says Drew is coaching high school football and just had a child with his wife of two years.
    Drew is interviewed in a 6 minute video also. Seems like a super normal guy.
     
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    I remember his 2004 Season, I saw that 200 Yard game against KC live. I was amazed. He looked like a pro VS high school kids that game. Ive been a Fan ever since.
     
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    Jeffers is a travesty. He was a monster. Bennett had Volek I believ over that huge span in 04. Then McNair came back.

    The same crap is happening with Green Bay, and will happen in Minnesota if Bridgewater gets on the field. Blacks are racist, and it's probably time we figured on fighting back and taking care of our own.
     
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    Big 12Championship getting ready to kick off. Two young white announcers in Joe Davis and Brady Quinn!
     
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    The White WR that comes to my mind the most in regards to being screwed over by the Caste system was Blair White's brief stint with Colts several years ago.

    Poor quality video, but some highlights of him with the Colts back when they were a very watchable team:


    White's athletic skills were off-the-charts, but that wasn't enough...he just couldn't overcome being White.
     
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    Memphis and UCF currently playing "whoever gets the ball last, wins". Porous defenses. It's entertaining though, and both teams have White QBs whose stats will be off-the-charts. 31-24, Memphis, at half.
     
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    WR trapped in a TE's body.... Mark Andrews TD!

    It's like a Video game for Riley Ferguson & McKenzie Milton!
     
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    I see your Blair White and I will raise you Mike Hass. He was the player that flipped the switch for me. Should of been a 1st rounder. Walk-On, Biletnikoff Winner and All-American. Perhaps if he would of come out after Welker he may have been treated a little more fairly like Cooper Kupp has been. His case was one of outright anti-white discrimination though. The obvious caste speak knocks on him were his size - he was 6'1" 206 lbs - not small at all for a WR and ran a 4.59 40 - more than enough speed especially when looking at his college tape and production.

    Mute the video but the highlights are great:

     
  21. Don Wassall

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    I was around David Duke quite a bit circa 1987-'88 as he was the presidential candidate of the Populist Party in '88, and he was a big LSU fan. I was amazed how much he liked the LSU football team as it was quite black even then, but I don't think David then or now had an inkling about the Caste System in sports.

    But Martin was a real talent, a blur with the ball in his hands. He was drafted by New England in the fourth round in '88. I remember him always looking great in the preseason but he was the typical screwed over White receiver,just 26 NFL catches over four seasons.
     
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    Bech, like Sammy Martin another LSU receiver, had phenomenal hands, always rooted for him but he was at the bottom of the Saints depth chart. But as soon as Jim Haslet took over for Mike Ditka, Bech was an instant goner from the Saints, and from the league.

    Ditka was one of the fairer coaches since the Caste System started. The legendary 1985 Bears were about half White in starters and later Ditka-coached teams in Chicago had two White receivers (Tom Waddle and Glenn Kozlowski), and Keith Poole and Bech both played for the Saints when Ditka coached them, with Haslet overnight making them the then blackest team in league history after Ditka left (and the Saints have never been one of the Whiter teams since after up till then having White receivers and even running backs in their first 30 years of existence). Ditka's the only coach of the many from Pittsburgh and vicinity who hasn't been a Caste clown.
     
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    Mayfield putting on a show now - should be cementing the Heisman. I hope that he becomes what Manziel should of become at the next level. Arm strength not an issue with Mayfield.
     
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    Mayfield with 4 TDs........look forward to him winning the Heisman and playing on Sundays!
     
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    So it looks like Auburn is going to be out of the playoff. UGA is back in along with Oklahoma.
     

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