Christophe Lemaitre "White Lightning" 9.92 and 19.80! -- Part Two

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  1. mastermulti

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    I was going to quip "spanish, white or brown" but thought it a bit flippant. "Pickled" definitely over the top.
    let's hope all's well. Soft tissue injury can be debilitating and long lasting. Virtually ended the career of my favourite Aussie sprinter, Damien Marsh.
     
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    sprintstar, when I was young (400m PB 46,xx) , I often had problems with my Achilles tendons. I tried many things (Ice, cremes, strains/Dehnungen ), but only rest/break (ca. 2 weeks) and training on grass helped.
    Reason for the problems where training on a very hard Tartan (?) track.

    Onions: Ten years ago, I read it in a book. At this time, I had again problems - lasting for months - with my Achilles tendon, although I only played soccer one or two times a week. A German physiotherapist (Dieter Trzolek), who supervises German Soccer Teams (Bundesliga: 1. Fc Köln (Cologne), Bayer Leverkusen) published it in a book:
    Trzolek, Zittlau: Die natürliche Sportlerapotheke: Die besten Hausmittel für Fitness und Leistungssteigerung

    You have to cut onions in slices and press the slices onto the Achilles tendon. You can fix it with mull/gauze (or in socks).
    This procedure I did three nights and after this all problems were blown away.
    Ok, it's stinking horrible, my wife wasn't amused.
     
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  3. fernchris55

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    Just a thought. With these hard synthetic tracks, why can't large universities and regional national training facilities provide training tracks with the old cinder or like soft surfaces for everyday training. The runners could then just train a little, before a race, on the synthetics to retune the body to the feel of that surface.
    Get a movement going.
    #AchillesSaysNoMoreSoreHeels
     
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  4. frederic38

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    was there a lot of wind for the final?
    good for vicaut, i like him and i am proud because he has a white french father
    what do you think that lemaitre could have achieved in the final with vicaut to help him run faster?
     
  5. elispeedster

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    Vicaut had +1.7 wind in the final...Lemaitre should of got close to 10 flat in the final had he participated
     
  6. fernchris55

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    frederic I know that's the French in you that appreciates Jimmy, and due to no fault of his own, he's the product of mongrelization, but that's the crux of the matter in the miscegenation of the white race. Besides like all half-breed achievers, the credit for success goes to the mud in their blood, not their whiteness, Marx forbid. He's the training partner that Christophe has needed to stir his daily competitive juices. Bolt and Blake have both benefited from being training partners and so too would they.
     
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    i also like the fact that he fits the pattern of good sprinters, having white male ancestors, and black female ancestors
    if you pay attention they are all from the caribean and the US where all blacks have white male ancestors
    almost none from africa except the namibian one who also had white paternal ancestry
     
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    VIDEO

    Heat : Christophe 10.09
    Teddy Tamgho :(
    Final : Vicaut 9.88


     
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  9. white is right

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    Yep it looks like he was rounding into form. He will need to be a sub 20 and around his pb to have any chance at a bronze in Rio in the deuce. In the century even running his true pb which is more like a high 9.9X(without a max tailwind) he would only be on the bubble for a spot in the finals.
     
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    Good for Lemaitre 10.09 with no so many wind,
    I hope 2 things, his injury is just little and he can train like before.
    And secondly, Lemaitre need to improve his top speed like in Moscou, and it's sure he will run sub 10. I really hope they will find with Carraz the way to find this.
     
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    ses 50 derniers mètres sont pas très bon, il ne gagne qu'environ 0.05s sur dutamby c'est illogique, je pense que Christophe peut encore gagner 1 dixième sur les 50 derniers mètres.

    Sa fin de course reste à travailler sur 100M comme sur 200M et il sera prêt
     
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    Pour moi c'est surtout la vitesse max, il fait 3.90 sur les 30 premiers mètres son record !!! Très encourageant mais il fait 6.19 ses 70 derniers mètres, soit très lent ! En 2013 a Moscou il finit en 6.06. Pour exemple Dutamby en finale finit en 6.14. Son problème c'est surement entre les 30 et 80, (la où tu es le plus rapide). Je ne sais pas à combien il passe au 60, mais il doit être en 6.55 à peut près soit 2.65 entre 30 et 60 c'est trop lent( il était en 2.57-2.59 à son meilleur niveau). Et ça veut dire que son dernier 40 il est en 3.55 trop lent également, l'année dernière lors de son 10.07 il finit en 3.5 et c'était déjà pas ça.
     
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    But that (less than one metre) difference to 60 .... could it not be due in some measure to 1. the sore achilles and/or 2. still being some weeks from reaching top form?
    I think he looked good in that clip but he's never yet been a sub 10.00 basic sprinter.
    Vicaut, on the other hand, has gone a level beyond.
    France could have a really good relay team for Rio
     
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    why the hell are Lemaitre and Vicaut for a part having to run against guys who would lose at high school levels? Now Lemaitre supposedly hurts his Achilles running against chumps, what a freakin waste. At least Vicaut was smart enough to ease down at the end of race.

    I know it is the national championships and they have to run (most importantly Lemaitr) against high school level competition as everyone has to have a fair chance(not!)
     
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    oui ton interprétation est probable, après comment sais tu qu'il a fait 3.90 au 30M ?
    Je doute qu'il passe en 6.55, au vu de l'écart trop faible qu'il y'a avec ses adversaires qui ont des records médiocre sur 60M.
    Je pense que lemaitre est particulièrement "mauvais" entre 40 et 50M car je ne le vois pas accroitre son avance avec dutamby.

    oui peut être que sa top speed est plus faible qu'à moscou et qu'il l'atteint trop tôt.
     
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    C'est Pierre Jean Vazel qui l'a dit, il a également un temps de réaction de 0.113 soit un super bon mais il a "l'habitude" d'être en 0.130. Plus que 6.55 au 60 ça veut dire + de 2 secondes 65 entre 30 et 60 c'est énorme, Vicaut est en 2.57 sur son record, ça voudrait dire qu'il perd plus de 8 centièmes rien que sur 20m, ça me parait trop, même si Lemaitre est mauvais dans cette zone (là ou avant il rivalisait avec le Vicaut actuel).
    Après avec les caméras on ne voit pas super bien aussi.
    Dutamby n'a pas couru cet hiver, on a pas trop d'ordre d'idée sur son 60.
    Je pense que c'est surtout une vitesse de pointe qui n'est plus là ( là ou il était en 0.84-0.85 sur les 50-70m il doit être 0.86-0.87).
     
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    ouais je sais pas

    "ça voudrait dire qu'il perd plus de 8 centièmes rien que sur 20m"
    n'oublies pas qu'il y'a 0.51 centièmes de différence en temps de réaction (0.113 VS 0.164) entre le 10.09 de christophe et le 9.86 de vicaut, donc hors temps de réaction ça fait que 3 centièmes de gagné par vicaut sur lemaitre entre 30 et 60M ça ferait pas beaucoup et encore il y'avait plus de vent lors de la course de vicaut donc potentiellement même moins de 3 centièmes...
     
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    If its not to much to ask, can you guys converse in English only so we can get into the conversation?
     
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    I am basing my response via translation...Vicaut's top end speed is not much better than Lemaitre's, the difference is Vicaut has a better start (1st 30m) and reaches top speed earlier in the race and maintains it, mostly because he is probably much stronger. Reaction time has nothing to do with a good start or rather a good 1st 30 meters of acceleration.
     
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    REVERSO is your friend

    http://www.reverso.net/text_translation.aspx?lang=EN
     
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    Je pense que les 0.51 se ressentent dans les 30 premiers mètres mais après c'est finit. Je veux dire par la que Lemaitre fait les 30 premiers mètres en 3.79 sans temps de réaction quand Vicaut les fait en 3.72, soit 6-7 centièmes sur les 30 premiers mètres. Les 2.65 ou plus de Lemaitre sur la tranche 30-60 ne sont pas affecté par le temps de réaction et les 2.57 de Vicaut n'ont plus. Après c'est sur qu'il y a plus de vent pour Vicaut, mais je pense que l'écart de vent doit jouer pour 1 centième sur une tranche de 20m. De plus je pense que si Lemaitre est vraiment trop trop mauvais entre 40 et 50 il ne peut pas avoir une vitesse suffisante pour finir pas trop mal. Sinon il finirait en 10.25 selon moi. Je pense plus que la course de Lemaitre se décompose en: très bon temps de réaction, premier 30 plutôt pas mal (dans les meilleurs qu'il a fait), 30-50 moyen bof, 50-80 beaucoup trop insuffisant, 80-100 il fait avec la vitesse qu'il avait.

    Sorry we said for RCSMAN : Lemaitre need to improve his end of race because his last 50 is bad, and Lemaitre is bad between 40-50m.
    Me i said, i think Lemaitre need to improve his topspeed, for me it's the reason of just 10.09 chronos and the big différent between Lemaitre and Vicaut.
     
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    Well we unfortunately weren't able to have our little contest due to the Achilles.
    Just using his 100 heat time and no 200 times we have:

    100 m Wind / Altitude Adjustment Calculation:
    Time: 10.09 Wind: 0.7 Altitude: 65 meters
    Basic time: 10.13


    Last Up-dated addition:
    So far we have
    Jacknyc 10.15 + ? = ?
    FootballDad 10.16 + 20.05 = 30.21
    lactaking 10.11 + 20.09 = 30.20
    Izwal ? + ? = ?
    Texas Flash 10.08 + 19.98 = 30.06
    white lightning 10.14 + 20.23 = 30.37
    Madara 10.11 + 20.17 = 30.28
    sprintstar 10.15 + 20.25 = 30.40
    trackster 10.13 + 19.99 = 30.12
    RCSMAN 10.12 + 20.10 = 30.22
    Elispeedster 10.20 + 20.2(0) = 30.4(0)
    fernchris. 10.08 +20.10 = 30.18

    Just based on the semi-final 100 meter time the following saw the glass half-empty:

    Elispeedster: 10.20
    FootballDad: 10.16
    Jacknyc: 10.15
    sprintstar: 10.15
    white lightning: 10.14

    Statistically spot-on but most likely a member of the half empty 1/2-dozen if a final was run:
    trackster: 10.13

    The 1/2-full brigade statistically but still probably pessimistic:
    RCSMAN: 10.12
    lactaking: 10.11
    Madara: 10.11
    fernchris: 10.08
    Texas Flash: 10.08

    ???:
    Izwal: ?????

    If no time adjustment then everyone but Texas Flash and yours truly were pessimistic about the 100 meters.
    Actually Texas and I would be pessimists too, most likely, if the final was run.
     
  23. elispeedster

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    He needs to work on his acceleration and power first 30-40 meters, not his last 50 meters.
     
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    You didn't folow our reasoning, we said Lemaitre has the same first 30 maybe better than 2010-2013, but he run just 10.09, or in 2010-2013 he ran sub 10, so the improvement are in the last 70m to be like his best year.
     
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    wow just watched Lemaitre's after race interview and I just found out after all these years of rooting for him, he has a lisp. My wife has a slight lisp and she is the one who noticed it I had absolutely no idea.

    Boltzilla is usually as slow as Lemaitre out the blocks/drive phase yet crushes(ped) just about everyone from 50m on. Gatlin is quick out of the blocks as is Rodgers, Kilty, Rues. At the end of the day it boils down to conditioning, speed endurance, strength, power and who is able to relax the most while maintaining speed the best. Lemaitre does not need his phases broken down into micro seconds he needs conditioning, arm/shoulder/hand form correction and block power.

    The kid has more natural talent than just about anyone to hit the track in 20 years.

    If his Achilles is messed up I truly hope it is not serious as they can ruin a persons career mentally and physically.

    To our French dudes, where can I find a list of the French top ten 100m mens times for 2016?

    Merci
     

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