Champions League

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  1. OC football

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    It appears that this year the Champions League final should be a
    prodominantly white affair. Last year Arsenal and Barcelona were the two
    teams left standing; both of whom started fewer then 6 whites.

    I believe that Manchester United will win it this year. Most of the teams
    starters and all of its biggest stars are white. Such stars include Rooney (22)
    and of course Ronaldo (21), together they are the two best young players in
    the world. As far as I can see there is not a prodominatly non-white team
    with a realistic chance of winning the championship.
     
  2. Angelcynn

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    The quater finals are as follows

    AC Milan v Bayern Munich
    PSV Eindhoven v Liverpool
    Roma v Manchester United
    Chelsea v Valencia

    Milan v Bayern is the toughest tie to predict and I really can't make my mind up on that one but I do feel that both teams can win the competition. For the other three I really do think all the English clubs will go through, not cuz im English but because they are the stonger teams. OC, I agree I do think this is Manchester Uniteds year. This is because the great Alex Ferguson is coming towards the end of his 20 odd year reign at Old Trafford and he still has that nucleus of the team which he produced himself from the youth academy who have brought him so much success down the years in Gary Neville, Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs. These players have so much experience and such a good understanding of the game and each other. They also have the veteren Dutch goalkeeper Edwin Van Der Saar who has always been and still is one of the best goalkeepers in the world and infront of him the solid mid defensive pair of Rio Ferdinand and Vidich. But the games will be won for United through the young pair you mentioned OC in Ronaldo and Rooney who are 2 of the top 10 players in the world. They can change a game with one flash of magic. Rooney is still 21 by the way.
     
  3. devans

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    A question for you Englishman. When was the last time Arsenal started a white English player?
     
  4. Angelcynn

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    Well in the Arsenal squad of 48 they only have 2 indegenous Englishman in Matthew Connolly who is 19 years old and Mark Randall who is only 17. They definatly havent started a game yet for the first team and I doubt they've even come on as a sub in a premier league yet! David Bentley (now a top player at Blackburn) possibly started a game or two in the 04-05 season but if not him then it would have to be one of the old gaurd in Ray Parlour or Martin Keown in the 03-04 season. Amazingly enough Arsenal are my most hated team, I wonder why?????????
     
  5. Roundabout

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    What a disgrace Arsenal is. Remember Adams, Winterburn, Dixon and Bould? Who do they have now in their place? Probably four unpronounceable Zulu names.


    Foreign, Foreign, Arsenal.
     
  6. Angelcynn

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    Yes it is a disgrace but unfortunatly especially the younger generation of Arsenal fans don't know what 'English' is becuase certain parts of London have changed so much demographically in the last 30 years. The old guard as u mentioned (Martin Keown was there aswell) were the best defense in the premiership when Arsene Wenger arrived at Arsenal in 1996. Arsene Wegner being French and all just simply doesn't like the English.
     
  7. Solomon Kane

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    Well, Valencia, anyway, appears to be mostly European and even mostly Spanish, at least by judging from the names and the faces on their website (not that this issue should be our sole concern). I noticed an African name, which is fine.

    Also, I see that the Colorado Rapids are going to play a friendly match with Valencia as a warm up for the MLS season. Hope we Yanks make a good showing.

    So when's the Valencia-Chelsea match? That should be a good one, especially if Lampard is on his game. My local sports bar usually has soccer on cable, so I think I'll watch this one.
     
  8. BlowingBubbles

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    Great victory today in penalties for Liverpool. These guys put out either
    an all white or almost all white team every week (today they started 1
    black player, but took him out mid way), and yet still made it to the finals.
    What made it better was that they beat a Chelsea team, that due to
    injuries to Ballack, Shevchenko, and Carvalho started what amounted to a
    team of the best players from Africa.

    Tomorrow's Man United, AC Milan game should also be exciting. For
    people who don't watch soccer much I would really recomend catching
    this one, because it'll showcase what I think are the 3 best white players
    in the world, Wayne Rooney, and Christiano Ronaldo from Man U and
    Kaka from Milan. These guys along with Drogba from Chelsea are
    considered by almost all analysts to be the best players overall in the
    world. Since each of these teams only start 1,2, and often no black
    players, it should be a very white final, which is a welcome change from
    last year when it was about half and half.
     
  9. OC football

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    The Champions League is the largest, most competative, and most watched soccer league in the world. Last year over ONE BILLION people tuned into the Champions League final.

    With the league final being almost completely white this time around, perceptions might change a little.

    But the US doesn't follow soccer. We might end up with a situation where White-American parents do not believe in the athletic abilities of their own kids. This while Europe continues to produce the worlds best athletes;

    This all relates to my favorite quote:

    "your perception is your reality"
     
  10. OC football

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    Alright guys. Europe is in for a good final.

    It will be a prodominatly anglo-saxon affair on the side of Liverpool vs. an almost exclusively Italian/Latin affair on the side of AC Milan. I don't know the last time the English have been so well represented in a high profile club match. But then again, this is about as big as it gets.

    Liverpool starts one black guy and AC Milan starts two. One of whom is a goalie.

    One would think that the success of these who teams would silence those talking-heads at ESPN. Unfortunatly it won't. America doesnt pay attention to European athletics. Americans will continue to believe that whites lack tallent. This despite out dominance it the world's most played and popular sport.
     
  11. OC football

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    On the subs...

    In the semi-final Manchester vs. Milan game... out of 7 subs used by Milan 2 were black, both Brazilian defenders. Manchester United sported an all white starting lineup but used 4 black subs and 3 white ones.

    Most, if not all, of Liverpool's subs are white. I belive that Liverpool is actually the whitest of ALL English Premireship teams. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  12. BlowingBubbles

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    Yeah, you might be right on that. They started off the year with Momo
    Sissoko (black) starting at defensive midfield, but in January they picked
    up the Argentinian Javier Macherano (white), and he quickly overtook
    Sissoko for the starting spot. Their only other black guy who plays at all
    (and maybe even who's on the team?) is Jermaine Pennant, but, at least in
    the games I've seen, more often than not, he has not started, so we'll see
    what happens in the final on May 23.

    The only black outfield player (not including goalie) who starts in most
    games is Clarence Seedorf on Milan, but other than that, they play a very
    white team, and only occasionally bring on guys like Cafu and Sergihno,
    but without question the best players on both teams are white across the
    board.

    Watch especially for the English Steven Gerrard, Peter Crouch, and Jamie
    Carragher, the Dutch Dirk Kuyt, and the Norweigan John Arne Risse on
    Liverpool. On Milan, their best players are the Brazilian but white Kaka
    (IMO the best player in the world right now), the Italians Gennaro Gattuso
    (an absolute animal), Andrea Pirlo, Allesandro Nesta, and Alberto
    Gilardino.
     
  13. Angelcynn

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    This should be as exciting as the final from 2 years ago when Liverpool came back from 3-0 down to tie it 3-3 and then won on penalties (against Milan funnily enough). I agree with you BlowingBubbles and I've thought this for a while now that Kaka is the best footballer in the world. He has everything Ronaldinho has but Kaka can tackle where as Ronaldinho is poor at tackling. Kaka also totaly outperformed Ronaldinho at the world cup. Another player to watch out for (if he plays) is Craig Bellamy who is a Welshman with electric pace. OC football, I think you are correct, Liverpool has the whitest starting lineup and squad in the Premiership. I think Sissoko (black) and Jermain Pennant (mixed race) are the only non-whites in the squad. Liverpool is a pretty racist city mind you.
     
  14. sunshine

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    Gattuso right. He was the guy who tugged michael ballack's ear during the world cup. animal,beast wolfman what have you the guy is one tough dude. And a winner.
     
  15. Solomon Kane

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    Yes, I remember that final 2 years ago--a truly amazing comeback! And now they're back again--with an array of great white talent!

    Both teams look great. As a yank, I'm inclined to root for the Pool, though if Milan wins I won't feel too bad, as the Italianos have recently done their country and Europe proud.

    If white excellence stands out in this game, look for a slew of articles to appear lamenting the alleged lack of non-Europeans in football, and the need for an affirmative action program, and yet more aggressive recruiting outside of Europe.
     
  16. OC football

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    The championship is today. Regardless of who wins this should be front page news. Over a billion people tuneing in to view an all white athletic affair.
     
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    Well, no Mersey Miracle this time, guys---but the Dutchman made it interesting.

    Inzaghi's double is something he'll no doubt remember.

    Also, Kaka had a "sublime" (the sportswriter's word) assist on the second goal.

    I agree with Benitez, I think they should have had more extra time, especially as this was a final.

    But the Merseysiders will be back, just like Man will.

    And England's national team seems to be taking shape for the European Cup. With a wealth of native talent.






    May 24 2007 at 12:03AM

    Athens - AC Milan were crowned European champions for the seventh time after they edged Liverpool 2-1 in the Champions League final on Wednesday, taking their revenge for their heartbreaking defeat to the Merseysiders in the 2005 final.

    Filippo Inzaghi scored both Milan goals - the first coming off his shoulder after he was struck by Andrea Pirlo's free-kick just before half time - before he netted a second in the 82nd minute after being put through superbly by Kaka.

    Dirk Kuyt pulled one back for Liverpool a minute from time with a close range header, but Milan held on to lift the trophy.




    For Milan it was pretty much a miraculous victory having originally been expelled from this year's tournament and docked eight points from their domestic championship for their involvement in Italy's match-fixing scandal.

    However, they were allowed back into the Champions League and Wednesday saw them culminate one of the more extravagant comebacks since Lazarus was raised from the dead.

    Two years ago in Istanbul Milan stormed into a 3-0 half-time lead only to allow Liverpool to draw level within a six-minute second half spell, before losing to the Premiership side on penalties.

    But this time there was less drama and no Liverpool heroics as Milan atoned themselves for the worst night in their history.

    However, for Milan's hardman midfielder Gennaro Gattuso it was revenge personified

    "The defeat in Istanbul will stay with me for the rest of my life," said Gattuso, who briefly had a spell with Scottish giants Rangers.

    "But today it's Liverpool who are crying, just like we did two years ago," added the non-compromising World Cup winning midfielder.

    Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez admitted the best team had won.

    "I am not happy with the time added on but congratulations to AC Milan," said the Spaniard.

    "We created some chances in the first-half. I think we played better than we did in Istanbul (2005) with the wingers being used more but the deflection on the first goal changed everything.

    "Of course we can come back and make another final, after all that is two (finals) in three years."

    For Liverpool skipper Steven Gerrard, who had a great chance to level with 30 minutes remaining but saw Dida smother it, the better team had won.

    "I'll have to go back and see the video but to my mind the better side won," said the England international.

    "We controlled the game in the first-half but let it drift away in the second.

    "They (AC Milan) are a top side and we have to take stock and come back again which we will do again next year."

    AC Milan midfield counterpart Clarence Seedorf, who was more muted than in his previous Champions League appearances this season, admitted that it had not been the greatest of finals.

    "I am so proud to be part of this team. We worked so hard as it has been a very difficult year," said the Dutch international referring to the .

    "We made it happen because we have such a great spirit in this team but it was not a great final. We were lucky and took our chances."

    The Olympic Stadium in Athens, which was modernised in 2002 for the Olympic Games two years later, has proved a lucky venue for Milan as they also won the 1994 Champions League final, beating Barcelona 4-0.

    Milan captain Paolo Maldini, whose season has been plagued by a left knee injury was passed fit to play, enabling him to equal former Real Madrid midfielder Francisco Gento's record of eight European Cup final appearances.

    Inzaghi was preferred to Alberto Gilardino to play as a lone striker for the Serie A side. Behind him to offer support were attacking midfielders Kaka, the competition's leading scorer with 10 goals, and Dutchman Clarence Seedorf.

    Gerrard, whose goal sparked his side's comeback in Istanbul, was deployed in an advanced role just behind lone striker Kuyt. Javier Mascherano was paired with Xabi Alonsi in midfield to help counter the threat of Kaka.

    Liverpool came close to taking the lead in the 10 minute after Czech defender Marek Jankulovski lost possession to Pennant. The marauding Liverpool midfielder's one-two with Gerrard left him in a wider position than he would have liked, and his angled shot was saved by Dida's outstretched hand.

    Pirlo's through-ball just crept beyond Inzaghi as Milan countered before Kaka's shot was comfortably gathered by Pepe Reina, Liverpool's hero in the semi-final penalty shoot-out against Chelsea.

    The momentum swung back Liverpool's way with Gerrard firing over the bar and Alonso screwing a shot wide from the edge of the box.

    With Milan being squeezed out in midfield, Liverpool continued to Milan to dominate, John Arne Riise's drive clearing the bar before Kuyt's effort was blocked.

    Milan's frustration grew and Gattuso was booked in the 40th minute for bringing down Alonso.

    Totally against the run of play, Milan made the breakthrough just before the break.

    Alonso's clumsy foul on Kaka resulted in a free-kick 20 yards from goal, and Pirlo's shot hit Inzaghi's shoulder to divert the ball away from Reina's grasp.

    Jankulovski and Mascherano joined Gattuso in referee Herbert Fandel's notebook before Zenden made way for Harry Kewell.

    Liverpool defender Jamie Carragher was the fourth player to be yellow-carded as the game became more fractious,

    Gerrard should have equalised in the 62nd minute after Gattuso had given the ball away, but the Liverpool skipper's shot lacked power and accuracy and Dida was able to make a straightforward save.

    With 13 minutes to go, Benitez brought on Peter Crouch for Mascherano, hoping to benefit from the giant striker's aerial presence.

    Inzaghi pounced again eight minutes from time, running onto Kaka's sublime pass before rounding Reina and slotting home from a tight angle.

    Kuyt's header gave Liverpool hope, but Milan clung on to banish those dark memories of Istanbul. - AFP
     
  19. Solomon Kane

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    I watched the match re-run on ESPN. A few random notes.

    1) On Gerrard's first breakaway, the announcers seemed to think he should have scored. I think he did very well just to get past the defender, and by the time a shot was lined up the goalie had cut off his angle. Maybe Smyth was right in saying that he was trying too much to "guide" the ball. But then...just half a foot more to the right...and it would have rolled into the corner of the net. It was a decent quick decision by Gerrard--not a choke.

    2) What a weird year and a half for Italian soccer. The Scandals and then the world cup championship. Then it looked like Milan wasn't even going to be in the league, then they win their 7th. Crazy...

    3)Inzaghi's a crafty old veteran. Good instincts on the first goal and a nice touch on the second. Humorous sequence between him and Kewell after the ball was blasted in his gut--which the ref rightly interpreted as a legitimate non-faked injury.

    4) Giving credit where its due. The Milan goalie played a good game, not only on Gerrard's breakaway, but also on Crouch's late cannon-shot.
     
  20. BlowingBubbles

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    I only listened to the game, but I caught the highlights on youtube, and
    based on that I would agree with all those points.

    1. I don't think Gerrard choked either, he could have scored, but it
    worked out that it was a tough angle, although I have seen Rooney put
    that away multiple times.

    2. A part of me is mad that Milan was even in the Champions League, but
    my liking for guys like Pirlo, Gattuso, Kaka, and Maldini, who had
    absolutely nothing to do with the scandal outweighs that.

    3. I don't know why Inzagi's good, but at the same time, I would love him
    on my team.

    4. Dida played great, and really had a great champions league except for
    one match, I think it was against Bayern, when he closed his eyes twice
    and gave up goals, so who knows.
     

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