Caste Dystopia: Mamula v. Clowney

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  1. Truthteller

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    According to most of the Caste media, former Philadelphia Eagle Mike Mamula was a Historic NFL Draft Bust. Meanwhile, soon-to-be free agent Jadeveon Clowney is currently Considered a Franchise Player, seeking a 'market-setting contract'?

    Amazingly, however, their stats are strikingly similar at the same junctures (games played) of their respective careers? Clowney has more tackles, but he padded those stats a bit by playing some middle and outside linebacker, in addition to defensive end. Mamula, a natural 3-4 outside linebacker due to his size, regrettably only played defensive end in the NFL. Clowney has a lot more Tackles For Losses, but TFL's were not an official stat until 1999, so most of Mamula's career they were not credited to his stats sheet, meaning we simply can't compare them.

    Games Played
    : Mamula 77; Clowney 75
    Game Started: Mamula 64; Clowney 66
    # Career Int's: Mamula 1/41 Yards/1 TD; Clowney 1/27 Yards/ 1 TD
    Solo Tackles: Mamula 156 Clowney 172
    Total Tackles: Mamula 209; Clowney 236
    Force Fumble: Mamula 8; Clowney 8
    # Career Sacks: Mamula 31.5; Clowney 32


    So there you have it: In Kosher Fantasy Land Mamula was an epic, historic draft bust; while Clowney is a superstar, worthy of a 'market-setting contract'.....Can someone explain this one to me before the effusive media hype surrounding Clowney boils over as free agency approaches?
     
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  2. Shadowlight

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    Good post. Mamula's career was cut very short by injuries but he was a decent above average player. His NFL stock rose after the combine due to the fantastic athletic ability he showed in the drills. He was also incredibly intelligent.

    Clowney on the other hand was penciled in as the number one pick long before the combine. He tested well and then the media had found their new black god. The hype was off the charts. And continues to this day despite the fact at best he is a better than average player.

    If they applied the Mamula theory to the countless black combine workout warriors who were drafted over the years in the first round and ended up being busts or plain mediocre there would never be any reason to bring up Mamula ever again.

    Yes the hypocrisy is blatant. And of course Mamula was a white caste busting athletic stud which irritates the media to no end and they often try everything in their power to minimize a player like that.
     
  3. Leonardfan

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    Clowney's whole career is based off one hit where he was not blocked at all:

     
  4. La France Blanche

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    Meanwhile, media/DWF opinions of White players are based off of one bad incident (Chris Conte getting stiff-armed once, Nate Gerry missing one tackle, etc.), ignoring all of the successes and positive contributions those players have made.
     
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    It would also be interesting to compare Mamula's and Clowney's penalties. Clowney is very good and disruptive, he learned a great deal of technique during his time playing with JJ Watt. But he can KILL his team with his penalties, whether simple offsides or his bonehead personal fouls. That's the tradeoff with him.
     
  6. Leonardfan

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    Clowney had 12 penalties this season - 8 neutral zone infractions, 1 face mask, 1 roughing the passer, 1 offside and 1 holding. His 12 penalties were the most of any defensive player. He also got away with a few hits that should of been penalized.

    He is nowhere near the dominant once in a generation player he was hyped up to be. No one in the MSM wants to bring that up though - they just keep pushing the false narrative.
     
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    Nice example. Perfect example of how we throw around the phrase "dat upside" around here so much. The Black player is always assumed to get better/have unlimited potential.
     
  8. Don Wassall

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    Great comparison, TT! The Caste System and its enabling media is a major component of the fake news media and the regime of lies, big and small, which dominate this dark era.
     
  9. Truthteller

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    Thanks to all CF posters for the replies in this thread. CF posters always bring up great points. For example, I rarely ever watched Seattle play and had no idea Clowney was flagged as often as he's been? There are about 10 different points, regarding The Clown, I'd like to address in this post, but I think it's much better to keep things brief -- will address some of the others in subsequent posts.

    USA Today is ranking Jadeveon as their #2 free agent (overall), coming off a 3 sack season in 2019. Mike Mamula, by the way, never had a 3 sack (or less) season during his injury truncated career. But here's how a (black?) USA Today writer excuses The Clown's sad sack season in 2019:
    I guess in Mamula's case stats told the whole story; For Clowney, not really? Perhaps because he "looks the part"? Also, who knows if it's true or merely "fake reporting" that Clowney was almost always double teamed? For example, despite being hailed as a "generational talent" coming from college, I seriously doubt he was ever doubled teamed his first two NFL season (2014/15), when he recorded a total of 4 sacks in 17 games! If Clowney was actually doubled teamed early on, it would make very little sense as J.J. Watt was really being doubled teamed all the time, prior to his 2016 injury. I suppose it's possible Clowney was double-teamed more often in 2019, because of the lack of talent on the 'Hawks defense -- Seattle's sackmaster last season registered a paltry 4!

    Finally, a true "generational talent"/"coveted free agent" would find a way to get more than 3 sacks in 13 games, even facing constant double teams. Again, J.J. Watt, an actual "generational talent", was always doubled teamed and simply dominated. Let's compare Watt's stats to Clowney, at similar junctures in their respective careers. The difference is striking:

    Games Played: Watt 80; Clowney 75
    Game Started: Watt 80; Clowney 66
    # Career Int's: Watt 1/80 Yards/1 TD; Clowney 1/27 Yards/ 1 TD
    Tackle F Loss: Watt 132 Clowney 71
    Total Tackles: Watt 371; Clowney 236
    Force Fumble: Watt 15; Clowney 8
    # Career Sacks: Watt 74.5; Clowney 32
    Qu'back Hits:
    Watt 209; Clowney 80
     
  10. Truthteller

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    Boy, I hope my post comparing Clowney to Mamula didn't crash his market! According to the Caste media, which was predicting he'd get a "market-setting contract", demand has been very tepid for The Clown, even among the most Caste teams?

    Going back over a decade, I've mocked some of the farcical writings of a virulently anti-white Lonsman Gregg Rosenthal, who founded Rotoworld (aka Weenie World). Several years back he was hired by NFL.com. Now he has become an entrenched, star writer. He recently posted his top 100 Free Agents list:

    Jadevon Clowney (ranked 4th overall): Clowney's production doesn't always match the hype, but he can still hijack an offense at peak moments -- often in the biggest games. Don't let the three-sack total fool you: He was a difference-maker in his Seattle debut, as the pass rush tended to vanish for quarters at a time whenever he missed stretches due to nagging injuries.

    Joe Schobert (ranked 46th overall): Football's version of a swing-from-the-heels guess hitter, Schobert tends to offset drive-killing stuffs and highlight-reel takeaways with missed tackles and overplays. Either way, it's hard to deny his nose for the football.


    Fascinating take by Rosenthal? It appears, according to him, Schobert misses way too many tackles? But instead of buying into what Lonsman Rosenthal spews out or checking the bogus Pro Football Focus rankings, let's check Schobert's advance stats at Pro Football Reference:

    In fairness, Joe's 10.7 rate of missed tackles is a bit high for a player his caliber. You'd like it to be a bit lower, but it's not egregious. And it certainly was a big improvement from 2018.......However, if Schobert's missed tackle rate dropped him to 46th overall, why isn't Clowney harmed by having an even higher missed tackle rate in 2019? I guess this is how it works with Rosenthal and others of his "ilk" that run/control the media: Stats are used to bludgeon whites whenever needed; but similar (or worse) numbers are to be ignored in regards to black players: Hence Mumula=Bust; Clowney=Stud...despite eerily similar career stats?
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    P.S: Looking at the missed tackle stats, new Raiders safety Jeff Heath had a 4% missed tackle rate last season. That's much better than most Pro-Bowl safeties. For a safety that is stunningly good, considering by the time players reach his advanced level, they usually have a good "head-of-steam" going forward. Also, while Heath had zero picks last season, his rating in coverage was actually fairly good -- 63.5 completion rate against and 6.3 yards/per target. Compare this to fellow Cowboys safety Xavier Woods, who had a 72.7 completion rate against and 7.6 yards per target.

    Notice the ebullient praise "Pro Bowl caliber" safety Xavier Woods gets from "media scources" for his coverage skills? He also had a missed tackle rate (9.4) more than twice as high as Heath. This doesn't even factor in that Heath is bigger, faster and stronger. Heath can also be utilized as a backup placekicker!

    So, again, despite what the advanced stats tell us, in Kosher fantasy land Woods is a rising super-star; Heath is total trash, who should only be relegated to special teams coverage. How about that Crazy Racist Nonsense, Rachel Maddow?
     
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    Several years back Myles Jack and Joe Walker were both big stars in the Pac-12. As expected, Jack was drafted much higher in 2016 (36th overall vs. 251st overall). This should not surprise anyone, however, considering Jack "looks the part" of an NFL linebacker. Walker, who recently signed with San Francisco, finally was allowed to start 11 games with the usually ultra-Caste Cardinals last season. Not sure what kind of contract Joe got from the 49ers, but the Caste media seems to have pigeonholed him as a back-up/super white special teams mascot going forward. Meanwhile, Jack is considered an entrenched starter and rising NFL star. That thinking became reality, considering Jack's recent 4 year/57 million dollar deal to stay in Jacksonville.

    Yet, upon closer inspection of their 2019 stats, the difference (production-wise) between the former Pac-12 stars isn't quite as wide as most would think? At least, that's what the on-field metrics show from last season? What's even more surprising, is while Walker got a lot more special teams reps, Jack had 76 more defensive reps, despite missing 5 games.

    Games Played: Jack 11; Walker 16
    Game Started: Jack 11; Walker 11
    Int's: Jack 1/14 Yards; Walker 0
    Solo Tackles: Jack 42; Walker 41
    Total Tackles: Jack 66; Walker 65
    Force Fumble: Jack 0; Walker 1
    Tackles F' Loss: Jack 3; Walker 5
    2019 Sacks: Jack 0.5; Walker 0
    Comp % Against: Jack 70.7%; Walker 72.7%
    Yards/Per Target: Jack 9.4; Walker 7.1
    Missed Tackle %: Jack 15.4; Walker 14.5

    So, again, despite what the advanced stats tell us, in Kosher fantasy land Jack is a rising super-star; Walker is merely a backup, who should mostly be relegated to special teams coverage?
     
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  12. Leonardfan

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    Myles Jack was a very hyped up player at UCLA - there was alot of talk for him being a top 5 pick when he came out. He ultimately lasted until the 2nd round and has not lived up to his hyped up pre-draft billing. Another top notch post by Truthteller.
     
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    Thanks, Leonard Fan. I vaguely remember Jack's lofty draft projections when he was at UCLA. While looking up Jack's stats yesterday, I saw this link of ESPN Jackal blasting the Schobert signing, which I wont even bother to read. Ironically, Jack got much more money per year than Schobert, but his stats in 2019 where not even close to Schobert's? Yet we are to believe (via ESPN) the Schobert signing was a mistake, while the Jack signing was good business?

    Both Jack and Schobert had "down years" in 2019 (compared to 2017 & 2018). Yet comparing Joe's "down year" in 2019 to Myles Jack's "down year" in 2019, it's not even close. Ever since they came into the league, Schobert has been much better statistically, despite the Kosher media's ******** that Schobert is a wildly overrated, over-payed, unathletic overachiever, while Jack possesses eye-popping athletic ability and is a productive rising star.

    Myles Jack vs. Joe Schobert 2019 stats:

    Games Played: Jack 11; Schobert 16
    Int's: Jack 1/14 Yards; Schobert 4/24 Yards
    Solo Tackles: Jack 42; Schobert 89
    Total Tackles: Jack 66; Schobert 133
    Force Fumble: Jack 0; Schobert 2
    Tackles F' Loss: Jack 3; Schobert 7
    2019 Sacks: Jack 0.5; Schobert 2
    PA's Defended: Jack 4; Schobert 9
    Comp % Against: Jack 70.7%; Schobert 69.1% (exceptional 59.6% in 2018 for Joe/Mediocre 75.5% for Jack in 2018)
    Yards/Per Target: Jack 9.4; Schobert 6.5
    Missed Tackle %: Jack 15.4; Schobert 10.7
     
  14. Extra Point

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    Clowney has always been an overhyped player. He apparently believes his own "press clippings" as they used to say. Coming off a 3 sack season he supposedly is seeking to become the highest paid defensive player in the league. He has supposedly already turned down a 17 million dollar a year contract. He should have jumped on that offer before the team offering it to him regained their sanity.
     
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    Jadeveon Clowney and Myles Jack are two of the most over-rated players in the league.
     

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