Bundesliga (sets record) has elite coaching from top to bottom and...

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  1. LucasBryant

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    The Bundesliga has given opportunities for some some formidable talents to develop, such as Kevin de Bruyne, Edin Dzeko and especially Robert Lewandowski.

    However, the league has been taking a negative direction with the players it has been selecting lately.

    Black players, especially from France and to a lesser extent the mixed race children of German baby mamas, have been increasingly selected by clubs.

    In 2014-15, when German football was the top of the mountain, the Bundesliga contained only 3 black players from France, while Bayern had 3 black players that were defenders rotating with others.

    In 2019-20, the Bundesliga had a shocking 18 black players from France make appearances. Bayern currently with the transfer market open now has 9 black players, having just added a random youff from PSG Kouassi and mixed race Leroy Sane. It's hard to believe that there is a dearth of German kids to select in a country that's absolutely crazy about soccer.
     
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    And now, even with the issues you’ve mentioned, the Bundesliga is again back on top of the mountain. Mixed players and African are a part of the international game. So Germany has simply taken advantage of what all other leagues have done already. Plenty of the mixed and African players have been good additions relevant to on the field play but as you rightly said, plenty have been a complete disaster on every level.

    Bayern has lots of white national players throughout its organization and signing other races at a young age is the better choice economically since most will be traded or sold or loaned and won’t be on the Club first team. Bayern has signed numerous Scottish players and other talented white non German players as well.

    However I’ve got point out the central issue you’ve mentioned is directly related to Hasan Salihamidzic and his influence on the club’s player movement. I expect this to pass away somewhat now that Oliver Kahn has joined the management and will take more control as time goes by.
     
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    Sancho and Gnabry are probably the only ones who look like solid players.

    I think that there must be like half a dozen former PSG youth players now plying their trade in Germany: Coman in Bayern, Nkunku in Leipzig, and Zagadou in Dortmund, Moussa Diaby in Leverkusen, Mamadou Doucoure in Gladbach. I just don't get it because these players are nothing special.
     
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    Novice, I disagree with you on the players you’ve listed, as do the scouting reports. All those guys are very talented and none have shown Sané type drama queen problems or bad work habits, though Coman has some negative problems akin to Sané in those areas. All those you listed are young, a couple very young. Certainly we agree with the need for Europeans clubs to develop Europeans kids...but often its desire that’s missing and hunger for a better life.

    Nkunku is a good player, excellent passer and field vision with speed plus his teammates like his attitude and he’s still young.

    Coman has world class speed and is a force on the wing but often injured. I’d prefer Bayern sell him and I’ve heard it will likely happen.

    Zagadou is well thought of by Dortmund’s staff and Hummels but still only 21.

    Diaby is definitely a skilled and speedy player and only 20 years old!

    There are numerous spots on the clubs and they can’t all be filled with natives so clubs sign whomever they can. The amount of skilled players from Africa isn’t going to stop growing. A couple answers are for those countries to develop their own professional leagues and for Europeans to get more aggressive in training at an earlier age relevant to speed, strength and mental toughness.

    Doucoure showed well in youth levels but has been injured at Gladbach however he’s also well thought of and only 22.
     
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    My premise is that these players failed to make the grade at PSG, and had they been genuinely impressive, surely would have nailed down spots in the club.

    Regarding African players, German and other kids are thankfully protected from their influx due to how European clubs are in practice not allowed to bring in South American or African players under the age of 18. However, there is a clear loophole with Africans born in France
     
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    Your premise in this case is simply wrong. It is clearly possible, even likely they had more immediate value via trade, loan or sell. And all of them had older and more experience players ahead of them at their positions. A couple of those players are still only 21 years old or younger. Your premise is inaccurate and your previous opinion was too. If you think this through you’ll see just say I’m right on this...either way this horse is dead.

    There are countless, countless players of German or other Germanic, Slavic, Anglo, Scandinavian origin which didn’t play to their potential with the organization which originally signed them or developed them. But went elsewhere and flourished due to numerous factors.

    As to the age law, I’m all for it because of the numerous cases of fraud from African countries and elsewhere.
     
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    Klopp, Flick, and Tuchel - out of Europe's top 5 leagues, German managers are leading 3 of those leagues' champions. Julian Nagelsmann in RB Leipzig has also done a terrific job.
     
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    Good points added! Their youth system is quite similar and filled with quality. The requirements and testing needed just to qualify as a youth coach in Germany is staggering! It is certainly paying off in numerous ways, obviously.
     

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