"Blacks are fading from baseball"

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  1. Rise

    Rise Guru

    Jun 12, 2006
    Heres an article in the St. Louis post dispatch today . Oh what a tragedy, how come there isnt any outcry about the whites fading from the NFL!!

    <div style="font-size: 16px;" size="1">Blacks are fading from baseball</div><div style="font-size: 12px;" size="1" align="left">By Vahe Gregorian</div><div style="font-size: 12px;" size="1" align="left">ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH</div><div style="font-size: 12px;" size="1">06/18/2006

    When U.S. Sen. Jim Talent co-sponsored legislation to proclaim May 20,
    2006, as "Negro Leaguers Recognition Day," he had scant notion of its
    true necessity or the paradox it entailed.

    Nearly 60 years after Jackie Robinson burst through baseball's color
    barrier, U.S.-born African-American players are virtually vanishing
    from the game. Three decades after blacks made up nearly 30 percent of
    major league rosters, they now make up about 8 percent  less than half
    the 17.25 percent of 1959, the first year every team was integrated.

    The trend has come home to roost on the roster of the Cardinals, who
    currently have zero blacks on their major league roster and almost none
    in their farm system.

    "I didn't realize the numbers had shrunk so much," said Talent, R-Mo.

    And there are other substantial indications black presence will further
    ebb, from crumbling facilities in inner cities to the popularity and
    exposure of sports such as football and basketball to the sheer expense
    of playing at an elite youth level today. Together they have created
    something bordering on apathy toward the game in much of the black

    "Enjoy that 8 percent on the field now," said Harry Edwards, an East
    St. Louis native and sociologist and an outspoken voice on race in
    sports for decades. "Because more than likely before we get to the
    first quarter of the 21st century, you'll be looking out there on the
    field and we'll be right back where we were when Jackie Robinson and
    Roy Campanella and those guys were the only ones out there."

    Not since that era, in 1953, have the Cardinals been without an
    African-American. Since then, the franchise has enjoyed a legacy of
    black icons such as Bob Gibson, Lou Brock, Ozzie Smith and Willie

    "It's not a Cardinals story; you'd have to be just nuts to think that,"
    said Bob Costas, a sports broadcaster and baseball authority. "It's
    just ironic, if that's the right word, that a team that has a rich
    history regarding African-American stars now has none."

    Edwards, who is black, calls the development an "unmitigated disaster"
    for the black community. Some see it with less alarm but as

    "I wouldn't say it's like a bad thing or that it's intentional in any
    way. But it just kind of makes me feel like baseball and possibly the
    Cardinals aren't doing everything they can to keep the Cardinals
    reflective of the hometown," said St. Louisan Hal Cox, 54, an
    African-American educational advocate, who noted that St. Louis city's
    population is 50 percent black. "So, yeah, it stands out, and it kind
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    <div style="font-size: 12px;" size="1">African-Americans are missing from the stands, too</div>
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    He added: "We're talking about America's game. We had the tradition. And that's fading away."

    Others see it as more of a quirk, a mere cycle or even a globalization
    and immigration matter that mirrors broader domestic issues: As the
    U.S. Hispanic population has ballooned to nearly 43 million, surpassing
    African-Americans, foreign-born Hispanics made up nearly 25 percent of
    opening-day rosters.

    Whatever the precise reason and meaning, with Latinos making up 45
    percent of minor league players and baseball groping to salvage
    interest among blacks, the phenomenon won't change soon and even has a
    name among the remaining blacks in the game  "blackout," Baltimore
    reliever LaTroy Hawkins called it in USA Today.

    <b style="font-size: 12px;" size="1">Cards' view [/b]

    The Cardinals are conscious of the subject and, all else being equal,
    would prefer a makeup "as diverse as possible," said team president
    Mark Lamping. He notes that the Cardinals typically have had multiple
    blacks as they strive to follow the prime directive of putting "players
    on the field that our fans can be proud of."

    But aligning a team, manager Tony La Russa said, is an elaborate
    process that can't be compromised by racial considerations alone.

    "You don't have the luxury of picking and choosing (by race). There's a
    talent pool, and there are 30 teams going after that talent," said La
    Russa, who has been a major league manager since 1979. "I mean, that
    would be exactly the wrong message to send, to say, 'Well, gee whiz, we
    better have a certain number of players from the Pacific Rim, a certain
    number of Latin players, a certain number of black players, a certain
    number of white players.'"

    Unless the complexion of the team changes via trades, the pool won't be
    altered through the farm system. The Cardinals have only one
    African-American among their top 30 prospects as ranked by Baseball

    Meanwhile, like the rest of baseball, the Cardinals have been tilling
    Latin America for talent and this year followed most franchises by
    launching an academy in the Dominican Republic, where teams can
    inexpensively exert control over prospects that they can't here.

    The Cardinals media guide features 64 foreign-born players  including
    61 of Hispanic birth  out of 188 listed in the team's minor leagues.

    The media guide features 10 scouts in Latin American locales. It
    depicts no African-American scouts among the 32 men pictured and one
    black among the 47 featured in their farm and scouting department. But
    Lamping scoffed when asked if more African-American scouts might mean
    more African-American players.

    "The presumption there would be that scouts are (seeking their own
    race)," he said. "Scouts go a lot of places to find players, and the
    way they distinguish themselves is by finding (players) others

    <b style="font-size: 12px;" size="1">Performance [/b]

    Coaches at all levels of the game agree that African-Americans aren't being overlooked. That's apparent by many measures.

    According to the National Recreation and Park Association Journal of
    Leisure Research, a survey of 128 youth "select" teams from nine
    Midwestern states in 2000 and 2001 found that less than 2 percent of
    the more than 1,400 players were African-American. Sports Illustrated
    is among other publications to document similar scenes.

    In St. Louis, the Public High League typically features largely raw players.

    "(Baseball) is pretty rough in the PHL," said PHL athletics director
    Dave Cook. "The kids don't really get started on it at an early age
    like they used to."

    In East St. Louis, home to Olympians and state championships in many
    sports, East St. Louis High has lost its last 82 Southwestern
    Conference games, all to schools from largely white communities.

    Meanwhile, the NCAA reports that blacks make up only 6 percent of
    Division I baseball rosters. Most telling, historically black schools
    such as Mississippi Valley State, Florida A&amp;M and much of the
    Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference have rosters approaching 50 percent

    Local Division I schools St. Louis University, Missouri, Missouri
    State, Illinois and Southern Illinois Carbondale each had no blacks
    this year. Southeast Missouri State had one, Chris Gibson, son of Bob

    "We've had, I think, three in a total of 18 years," said SLU coach Bob
    Hughes, who has at least one black signee for next year. "And it's not
    for lack of effort. I think all of us would tell you the same."

    <b style="font-size: 12px;" size="1">Matter of choice [/b]

    On the surface, the development seems purely a matter of choice.

    "It's not offensive," said Gerald Early, an African-American Washington
    University professor and essayist who served as an adviser on Ken
    Burns' exhaustive documentary on the game. "It's not because they're
    being segregated out, or people think they can't play. They can if they
    want to, but they're opting not to play."

    Phil Bradley, special assistant to the executive director of the Major League Baseball Players Association, agreed.

    "The point is there's not a lot out there," said Bradley, a former
    Mizzou football and baseball star. "I don't know that I can hold an
    organization accountable for that. I just think it's a matter of if
    they aren't out there, they can't be seen."

    While Bradley laments the development, few seem deeply agitated by it.

    "Don't get somebody just because they're black and they can't play,"
    Damon Griffin, 36, an African-American who works for AT&amp;T, recently
    said at Busch Stadium.

    Alongside, friend and co-worker Dale Parks, 37, also African-American,
    said, "We want the best team, the best players. I really don't mind (no

    To add black players just to have them, Parks added, "would be an insult."

    To some, the Cardinals have black players in the form of Dominican-born Albert Pujols, Juan Encarnacion and Hector Luna.

    "I count 'em, myself," said Stan Webb, 51, a St. Louis engineer and
    business owner who is African-American. "They're people of color, OK?
    And they have similar conditions that we have in our community."

    Observers aren't suggesting that baseball is racist in determining the
    makeup of its rosters. Considering that Latinos, African-Americans and
    Asians make up 35-40 percent of its players, baseball seldom has been
    more inclusive or egalitarian. Baseball isn't trying to exclude
    African-Americans. It simply isn't attracting as many as it would like.

    <b style="font-size: 12px;" size="1">Overall interest [/b]

    Yet the development is unsettling in several contexts, including what
    it says about overall interest in America's one-time pastime.

    "I go to barbershops here in north St. Louis and the inner city, and
    they talk about football all day long. They talk about basketball all
    day long," said Early, who remembers that kind of buzz about baseball

    in the 1950s and '60s. "Now, they don't talk about baseball with
    anywhere near the same knowledge or intensity."

    A Harris Poll released in December 2005 noted that only 6 percent of
    African-Americans chose baseball as their favorite sport. By contrast,
    47 percent chose pro football, reflecting a broader problem for
    baseball, which overall trailed the NFL 33 percent to 14 percent.
    Twenty years ago in the same poll, the NFL's overall edge was 24
    percent to 23 percent.

    And according to the Sporting Goods Manufacturing Association, in 2005
    baseball was the 18th-most popular participation sport among children
    of all races ages 6-17, with 5,949,000 playing nationally. Bowling was
    No. 1 with 17,035,000 and basketball was No. 2 with 15,994,000. Also
    ahead of baseball were in-line skating (sixth) and skateboarding

    "There are so many different things trying to get your attention," said
    Jimmie Lee Solomon, who as MLB's vice president is in charge of the
    game's efforts to revive interest. "When I was growing up, you had
    three channels. My daughter has more than 100, not to mention video
    games, PlayStations, the Xboxes."

    Yet the ripples into baseball are far more dramatic among blacks, a
    matter of particular poignancy considering the crusade and suffering it
    took to achieve their place in the game and the abundant contributions
    they've made since.

    "Black Americans are a proud and significant part of the history of the
    game," Costas said, adding, "If you care about baseball, you want the
    best black players, white players, Hispanic players . . ."

    But for African-Americans, it's distressing because of the reality that
    the decision not to play baseball at some level actually is a symptom
    of the vicious cultural and economic traps in poverty-stricken inner
    cities. Edwards sees a connection between avoiding what he described as
    chaos and baseball's preference to cultivate Latin America.

    "It is cheaper, it is more efficient and there (are) less social and
    cultural encumbrances," said Edwards, who as director of parks and
    recreation in Oakland was horrified by the crippling influence of
    gangs. "They don't have to send scouts into African-American
    communities, which still today are substantially segregated and
    increasingly violent."

    <b style="font-size: 12px;" size="1">Competition [/b]

    What may seem a rapid downward spiral of participation has origins that
    go back at least a generation and has been observable for more than a
    decade. After making up 27.5 percent of teams in 1975, blacks
    represented less than 20 percent in the '90s and 15 percent or below
    since 1997  when the Dodgers featured one black player, reserve Wayne
    Kirby, in the 50th anniversary of their breakthrough with Robinson.

    Perhaps counterintuitively, Early has suggested that the seeds of the
    change lay in the demise of the Negro Leagues  which by extension
    hints that the downturn began with . . . integration. As their galaxy
    of stars was absorbed into the major leagues, the Negro Leagues
    couldn't flourish. With the termination of that institution in 1960
    also went tradition, sentimentality and other cultural rallying points.

    For a time, the freshness of new opportunity created a new wave of
    pride and interest as black stars came to disproportionately dominate
    the game. But by the early 1980s came a surge of deterrents or
    competing interests.

    Among the forces: the shrewd marketing and rapid ascension of
    basketball, the continued rise of football, the decay and neglect of
    inner-city facilities and, more recently, the coming of an elite age of
    sports specialization, travel leagues, camps and clinics.

    "Some of the reasons are just societal. Some of them are (lack of)
    urban development," MLB's Solomon said. "Some of them have to do with
    our focus in Latin America. Some has to do with Michael Jordan becoming
    an icon  the most popular athlete on the planet and playing a
    competing sport that really lends itself to small space in urban areas.

    "Those things kind of all got together and started to kind of happen in
    such a way that a lot of African-Americans didn't look toward

    Not with basketball being more accessible in many ways, from the
    omnipresence of courts to the ease of playing with fewer numbers or
    even alone.

    Conversely, baseball requires green space and maintenance, Solomon
    said. Not to mention uniforms, gloves, bats and even registration fees.
    To become an elite player today means participating in programs that
    can be prohibitively expensive for families with little financial
    wiggle room.

    And then there's time, both in terms of the meandering pace of the game
    and the often lengthy apprenticeships in the minor leagues.

    If you're a 17-year-old basketball or football marvel, you see ample
    and instant opportunity  whether through the example of LeBron James
    or the glamour of the NCAA Tournament or college football's pipeline to
    the NFL.

    If you're a 17-year-old baseball star, you can hope to be drafted  and
    taste several years of obscurity in the minors starting in, say,
    Johnson City, Tenn. Or you can hope for a partial college scholarship,
    since college baseball teams typically divide their allotted 11 among
    several players.

    <b style="font-size: 12px;" size="1">Awareness [/b]

    La Russa said he believes the crux of it all is "an awareness issue."

    "How many LeBron Jameses are there? Once a generation," he said. "I
    think it would be in (black athletes') best interests to re-evaluate.
    Because the opportunities in baseball . . . the money, the freedoms,
    the number of guys who make it vs. basketball or tennis or even
    football, the length of your career, I mean, I definitely think we can
    compete with anybody."

    MLB is trying to address awareness. It has spent millions on the
    Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities, or RBI, program, and millions more
    on the Baseball Tomorrow Fund (in conjunction with the players
    association) for field development and equipment purchases. It's
    donated $500,000 to the Little League Urban Initiative program in the
    last three years.

    RBI, whose mission is to serve disadvantaged youths, currently has more
    than 90,000 teens 13 and older involved in 200 baseball programs
    worldwide, Solomon said, most of which are in the United States. While
    the percentage of blacks in Major League Baseball has been cut in half
    since the program's inception in 1989, the program must be understood
    as "a long-developing pipeline," sports ethicist Richard Lapchick said.

    And it has had some impact as it takes further root. More than 100 RBI
    participants have been drafted, including current major leaguers Jimmy
    Rollins of Philadelphia and Dontrelle Willis of Florida, as well as the
    2005 overall No. 1 pick, Justin Upton, who was taken by Arizona.

    Baseball also launched this year its first U.S. academies, in Compton,
    Calif., and Atlanta, meant to stoke interest in all aspects of the game
     including umpiring, scouting, turf management and public relations â€â€
    as well as academic achievement and citizenship.

    The Cardinals work with RBI and through Cardinals Care have a Redbird
    Rookies program. Lamping said they have interest in an academy but that
    winter weather in St. Louis is a disincentive.

    While it's too early to assess MLB's ventures, they are part of what
    seems to be a conscientious enterprise by an entity that recently has
    been maligned, particularly lately for its inability to deal with
    performance-enhancing drugs.

    "This is one where I don't really blame baseball," Costas said.
    "They've really made an effort to reach out. Certainly, baseball hasn't
    turned its back."

    Yet more seems needed.

    "It's a partial response," Edwards said. "If baseball were as
    aggressive in this country relative to African-Americans as (it is in
    Latin America), the situation would be turned around substantially."

    In the meantime, wilting in the blackout is the remarkable legacy of
    Robinson and the Negro Leaguers whose desire to play "could not be
    repressed"  as Talent's measure put it.

    At Busch last month with the Colorado Rockies, former Cardinals
    reliever Ray King noted MLB retired Robinson's No. 42 and promotes his
    deeds and influence.

    Wistfully looking to the future, King said, "But how can you promote something that there's really nothing there to promote?" "
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  2. Don Wassall

    Don Wassall Administrator Staff Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    Maybe it has something to do with the fact that blacks aren't as good at baseball asCaste Systempropaganda makes them out to be, and also that there aren't nearly as many great black athletes in this country as most people assume.

    These Disappearing Negro baseball stories are soooo boring. They're interchangeable, as if all written by the same person -- and given the dull similarity of Caste System propaganda in a way they are.
  3. Gary

    Gary Mentor

    Dec 28, 2004
    I don't care if there are any blacks in baseball or not, if blacks don't come to the ballparks because no blacks are on the team and they can't cheer for there own isn't that RACISM!! How many people are happy about the DIVERSITY now in boxing? Or are Russians the wrong color for them.White people will attend football and basketball games even when there are few White players in the game.Blacks must be really RACIST if they won't pay to see men of other races play [Ice Hockey draws very few blacks to the games].I want to see whole baseball teams full of White players like the great Yankee teams of the 50's and early 60's.
  4. whiteCB

    whiteCB Master

    Apr 14, 2005
    Gotta love that Bob Castas. NOT! I hate that little weiner that never played sports(or at least was good at them) a day in his life. Where's the article on the extinct white CB or HB.
  5. white is right

    white is right Hall of Famer

    Feb 16, 2006
    They didn't have a funeral for the jewish b baller so they shouldn't have one for the drying up black outfielder. I just think it's a sign of the obvious urban mess that ghetto neighbourhoods have become. But then again black boxers in the heavier weight classes are drying up too.... [​IMG]
  6. Baseball Fan

    Baseball Fan Guru

    Dec 6, 2005
    There are plenty of blacks in baseball, they just speak Spanish now. If I spoke Japanese that does not make me Asian, same thing with any language you speak. Regardless you still are whatever race you are. The way the mainstream press seeks to blur racial lines is appalling and sad. Even the average joe can still most latin american players are racially black or mulatto.
  7. white is right

    white is right Hall of Famer

    Feb 16, 2006
    They tend to blur them for political reasons, or pc non offensive reasons. Ie when the white/caucasin Canseco claims he was being discriminated against for racial reasons. I never heard one media member challenge him on this myth....... [​IMG] Edited by: white is right
  8. Don Wassall

    Don Wassall Administrator Staff Member

    Sep 30, 2004

    Good points. The whole "hispanic" thing is wielded in all kinds of ways that reek of misinformation and distortion. There are more than a few "hispanic" baseball players who are completely white but I don't know how many average Joes realize this. Jose Canseco could walk down any street where he isn't known and people will assume he is white. There are many others.

    We can't expect honesty from the corporatemedia in regard to any issue about race.
  9. Deacon

    Deacon Guru

    Sep 9, 2005
    Why do people care that black Americans aren't playing baseball. Who the hell gives a sh*t?!
  10. Deacon

    Deacon Guru

    Sep 9, 2005
    Exactly. I recall a report that grades diversity for each baseball team and they said that the Boston Red Sox has no African-Americans. Therefore they were graded the worst. But if you look at the team they have Manny and David Ortiz in the starting lineup and probably the two best players on the team. But If they're not african-American they don't count in the PC game. They're just trying to weed out the White boys.
  11. Rise

    Rise Guru

    Jun 12, 2006
    Here we go again. Another article posted from ESPN about the MLB at 'crisis' with lack of black players.


    Although this is the typical propaganda that ESPN spews, I was somewhat surprised by the sheeple responses in the comment section of this article (lots of talk about double standards, lack of whites in the NBA and NFL, ect.)
  12. white is right

    white is right Hall of Famer

    Feb 16, 2006
    My favorite quote is this..."That's amazing. That's unbelievable," he said. "I don't think people understand that there is a problem. They see players like Jose Reyes and Carlos Delgado and just assume that they're black." I guess they must be green..... [​IMG]
  13. Bart

    Bart Hall of Famer

    Feb 6, 2005
    That is funny. Why would anyone assume Delgadoand Reyes areblack?

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
  14. texasheat

    texasheat Newbie

    Feb 26, 2006
    Hey, Rise, thanks for posting that link to the ESPN reader comments. I almost felt like I was reading a 2nd version of the Caste Football message board. Y'know, there's a helluva lot more people out there that feel the same way as us on this board ... they just need to find out about this website.
  15. JoeV

    JoeV Guru

    Jun 29, 2005
    There was a lot of pimping this message board on that comment section. Someone copied and pasted the words right from the top of the homepage in one comment. [​IMG]
  16. Don Wassall

    Don Wassall Administrator Staff Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    They have a ways to go before they have the understanding of how things work that we do here, but it's heartening to see a fair amount of people at least challenging the standard party line. The Caste System is so one-sided and unfair that more and more people will continue to see through the unopposed corporate media propaganda that props it up.
  17. Baseball Fan

    Baseball Fan Guru

    Dec 6, 2005
    Personally after looking at that picture of Reyes, reinforces my thought of him being a homosexual. You never hear of him having a girlfriend then again he might be playing the field both ways.
  18. Freedom

    Freedom Mentor

    Dec 15, 2005
    I think there should be an outcry about Americans fading from baseball. "Black" and "African American" have become one in General American dialects in this country. "Cape Verdeans" from Cape Verde are black, but most don't consider themselves African Americans as they have their own culture. The same goes for other immigrants from Africa. So I guess if Obama played baseball, he wouldn't count as black despite his look.
    There is absolutely no outcry for white American players and white Americans are public enemy number one. Attack a white American, you'll always have a few supporters. The really sad thing is that they'll be other whites probably.
  19. Lance Alworth

    Lance Alworth Mentor

    Nov 18, 2004
    Portland OR
    The whole thing is so retarded. The "geniuses" at ESPN must not have heard of the slave trade and that it wasnt just the US that imported slaves from Africa. In fact most of the slaves went to the Caribbean and South America, NOT the US. But you wont hear the PC motormouths at ESPN mention that will you? This is why so many Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and Cubans are black, because those Spanish speaking countries imported them just like every other country in the new world did. But because those blacks speak Spanish and have Spanish names, they are lumped into the "hispanic" category. This is just another way for the powers that be to blacken a traditional white sport. Yeah, just what we need, more baseball versions of TO's and Kobe Bryants
  20. Rise

    Rise Guru

    Jun 12, 2006
    Sheffield has theory why fewer blacks play MLB:

    The percentage of African-Americans playing Major League Baseball is at an all-time low and Gary Sheffield says he has a theory why that's the case.

    In an interview with GQ magazine that's currently on newsstands, the typically outspoken Tigers designated hitter said Latin players have replaced African-Americans as baseball's most prevalent minority because they are easier to control.

    "I called it years ago. What I called is that you're going to see more black faces, but there ain't no English going to be coming out. ... [It's about] being able to tell [Latin players] what to do -- being able to control them," he told the magazine.

    "Where I'm from, you can't control us. You might get a guy to do it that way for a while because he wants to benefit, but in the end, he is going to go back to being who he is. And that's a person that you're going to talk to with respect, you're going to talk to like a man.

    "These are the things my race demands. So, if you're equally good as this Latin player, guess who's going to get sent home? I know a lot of players that are home now can outplay a lot of these guys."

    According to a 2005 report by the University of Central Florida Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport, only 8.5 percent of major leaguers were African American -- the lowest percentage since the report was initiated in the mid-1980s. By contrast, whites comprised 59.5 percent of the majors' player pool, Latinos 28.7 percent and Asians 2.5.

  21. Skipperron

    Skipperron Guru

    Sep 11, 2006
    I will never forget watching ESPN many years back and they were interviewing a black fan. He said he pulls for black players only. And he said he doesn't go to many games. He said blacks like to watch sports where the stars look, talk, dress and act like he does. Not one eyebrow was raised, not one question was asked and not one mention of racism or bigotry was mentioned. I knew then if it had been a white man saying the same thing a ton of grief would have ensued. Why is it not ok for me to pull for someone who looks like me, talks like me etc. etc. etc. too. Edited by: Skipperron
  22. SeaJim

    SeaJim Guru

    Apr 30, 2006
    That is why this white boy roots for the white players. I also voted for all white players for the All Stars as well.
  23. bigunreal

    bigunreal Mentor

    Oct 21, 2004
    What a broken record; black athlete makes idiotic, ignorant, virulently racist comments and no one cares. Gary Sheffield is truly one of the worst of all the total derelicts that now rule all the major professional sports. Let's all say it together; just imagine what would happen to any white athlete who said the same things Sheffield did. I haven't been able to stand Major League Baseball for quite some time now, but on the rare occasions I catch a minute or two of highlights on ESPN or a moment of a live game, all I seem to see are black faces on the field.
  24. Skipperron

    Skipperron Guru

    Sep 11, 2006
    I was watching baseball with my mother the other night and I starting saying to her "now that is not a black man" everytime a black skinned hispanic came up, and she would look at me and say what are you talking about? but that is how they come up with the stupid 8% figure for blacks in baseball. They are only counting black "Afro-Americans" as black. Then under the hispanic group all hispanics are grouped together, white or black. If you simply listed all black skinned individuals playing ball, the figure would be closer to 23-25 % black, not 8%.Edited by: Skipperron
  25. Leonardfan

    Leonardfan Hall of Famer

    Jul 30, 2006

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