Black QB’s showcased on MNF

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  1. GWTJ

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    Tonight's game between the Eagles and Redskins will feature two black QB's. I decided to take a look at all the MNF games and compare the # of black vs white starting QB's. Correct me if I am wrong here but I am going to assume that the MNF schedule came out before Vick got busted and Culpepper got cut. Also, Leftwich got cut but since the Jags only have black QB's MNF schedulers could be sure that they would start one.

    There are 17 Monday night games for a total of 34 QB's. Black QB's take up 12 of those 34 spots with the remaining 22 spots going to 21 white QB's and Tony Romo, who the NFL likes to play up as Hispanic.

    Every starting black QB in the NFL gets a chance to play on Monday night. Steve McNair will play 3 times on Monday night but Peyton Manning only once.

    Only 6 of the 17 games will feature 2 white QB's and one of them was the 2nd game of a double header in the first week.

    But the NFL has no hidden agenda. [​IMG]
     
  2. Don Wassall

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    Nice post. The Colts on MNF just one time??? At least McNair's already beat up and one of the drunk white fans' favorite players to hate in Kyle Boller may be starting for him during Baltimore's appearances.


    I think this is the first yearthat the NFL and ESPN can change the MNF schedule during the last part of the season to replace matchups that don't look as good as when they were originally scheduled with better ones. That should help drive down the number of black QBs anyway.
     
  3. InfamousOne

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    GWTJ - Who would like to make bets that none of those black QBs will go far into the playoffs or win the superbowl?

    How long can they keep up the illusion that these Qbs are even near as effective as Manning, Brady, Palmer, Brees, etc?
     
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    I don't know how many times McNair is actually going to make it to a monday night game this year. He is brittle.

    Jackson might not make it to monday night either.
     
  5. GWTJ

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    I would never bet on a black QB winning a Super Bowl. One of the more fun parts of the NFL season is watching the black QB's get eliminated one by one during the playoffs.
     
  6. Bear Backer

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    MNFB has gone to the dogs. They don't even show the best games anymore. It has become too smarmy, too political, too much of a distraction and brouhaha rather than football. Sunday Night Football now seems to be the program that usually features the premiere interesting matchups. I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities that the NFL would actively choose to highlight black QB's as many times as possbile. Some might think it is mere coincidence, but besides pushing for more black coaches, the desire for black QB's has been the harping point of the NFL caste system for many years. The NFL views MNFB as its primetime venue, so in my opinion it is in no way a surprise that they would choose that platform for their agenda.
     
  7. mrjohnnynofear

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    Don is correct, almostNBC Sunday Night games now seem to have the marquee matchups. They can flex-schedule them to fit what they consider a big game. This is what the schedule shows now for Sunday night.

    from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC_Sunday_Night_Football

    The first regular-season game to be shown by NBC under this contract, Miami at Pittsburgh, aired September 7, 2006, followed by the first Sunday-night gameâ€â€Indianapolis at the New York Giantsâ€â€on September 10, 2006. The actual first game of the runâ€â€the 2006 Pro Football Hall of Fame Game between Oakland and Philadelphiaâ€â€was televised on August 6, 2006.

    NBC Sunday Night Football is the beneficiary of the league's new flexible-scheduling system. For the final seven weeks of the season (seven of the final eight weeks during the 2006 season because of Christmas weekend), the NFL has the flexibility in selecting games to air on Sunday night, stating that fans will be able to vote for what game they would like to see on the Sunday primetime slot. During those affected weeks, no game is initially scheduled for NBCâ€â€instead, the schedule slot for the NBC game is listed as "To be announced", and one Sunday afternoon game will be moved to the primetime slot. The NFL did earmark specific games for Sunday Night Football in Weeks 10-15 and 17 when the official schedule came out in April 2006.[1] CBS and FOX could each protect four of its games during Weeks 10-15 and also each protect one of its games for Week 17; however, these two networks had to decide which games to protect in early October 2006, after Week 4 of the NFL season.[1]

    In the 2006 season, there was no game played on the first Sunday night which overlapped with the World Series (October 22 in the 2006 season), along with Christmas Eve night where NBC broadcast that week's game on Christmas afternoon instead. However, the broadcast of Football Night in America continued at its regular time on both occasions each Sunday, with a half-hour version of the program airing before the Christmas game and the two "Wild Card Saturday" games.

    In 2007, there will be no broadcast on NBC for Sunday, October 28 due to game 5 of the 2007 World Series, which will be broadcast on FOX. Also, a tentative full-season schedule has been unveiled, including games in the last seven weeks of the season. Those games could be replaced under flexible scheduling if the need arises. The same rules under which CBS and FOX protect games for their own packages still apply.



    Thursday September 6 New Orleans Saints 10-41 Indianapolis Colts RCA Dome

    Sunday September 9 New York Giants 35-45 Dallas Cowboys Texas Stadium

    Sunday September 16 San Diego Chargers 14-38 New England Patriots Gillette Stadium

    Sunday September 23 Dallas Cowboys TBD Chicago Bears Soldier Field

    Sunday September 30 Philadelphia Eagles TBD New York Giants Giants Stadium

    Sunday October 7 Chicago Bears TBD Green Bay Packers Lambeau Field

    Sunday October 14 New Orleans Saints TBD Seattle Seahawks Qwest Field

    Sunday October 21 Pittsburgh Steelers TBD Denver Broncos INVESCO Field at Mile High

    Sunday November 4 Dallas Cowboys TBD Philadelphia Eagles Lincoln Financial Field

    Sunday November 11 Indianapolis Colts TBD San Diego Chargers Qualcomm Stadium

    Sunday November 18 Chicago Bears TBD Seattle Seahawks Qwest Field

    Sunday November 25 Philadelphia Eagles TBD New England Patriots Gillette Stadium

    Sunday December 2 Cincinnati Bengals TBD Pittsburgh Steelers Heinz Field

    Sunday December 9 Indianapolis Colts TBD Baltimore Ravens M&T Bank Stadium

    Sunday December 16 Washington Redskins TBD New York Giants Giants Stadium

    Sunday December 23 Tampa Bay Buccaneers TBD San Francisco 49ers Candlestick Park

    Sunday December 30 Kansas City Chiefs TBD New York Jets Giants Stadium

    If you notice there are some bigger matchups and NBC also does the dramatic storyline angle and rivalries too. It seems like Monday Night gets the leftovers.

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    http://www.popmatters.com/pm/tv/reviews/5338/sunday-night-fo otball-monday-night-football/


    In its heyday, Monday Night Football was the sports broadcast of the week. With the lightning rod that was Howard Cosell in the booth and little else in its time slot, viewers tuned in by the millions to watch the Steel Curtain and other legendary teams of the '70s and early '80s. MNF gave us more than the Hank Williams Jr. anthem "Are You Ready for Some Football?" It helped define an era: colorful, entertaining, and occasionally unpredictable, it cemented a relationship between television and football.

    Following Cosell's departure in 1985, however, MNF not only attracted fewer viewers, but also lost its pop cultural cache. ABC tried multiple new configurations of commentators to recapture the magic, but none matched the original's drawing power. Today, the Sunday night gameâ€â€regional contests aired by Fox, CBS, and ESPNâ€â€garners higher ratings. Beginning this season, the NFL decided the Sunday night game would be the "showcase" game of the week. With the new flex schedule, this means that whichever game league officials deem the marquee match-up of the week will now be shown on Sundays.

    Official SiteThis year also marks a major shuffle in the networks with broadcasting rights to the games. In its ongoing effort to compete with major network television, ESPN doled out $1.1 billion, or around $20 million an hour, to broadcast MNF. ESPN (along with ABC, owned by Disney) appears determined to resurrect MNF from the dead, to bring a 21st-century appeal to the once beloved, now antiquated broadcast.

    Leading the way in this re-imagining is color commentator Tony Kornheiser, a Washington Post columnist and co-host of ESPN's always excellent Pardon the Interruption. He's teamed with play-by-play announcer Mike Tirico and former quarterback/current purveyor of inane commentary Joe Theismann. Although the K-man looks like the elder statesman he is, his work on PTI has demonstrated that he can also be "cutting edge," combining blistering sarcasm and astute observation in a way that viewers young and old can all enjoy. He is, so we've been told, Cosell 2.0.

    Or so the ESPN execs hoped. In reality, he's far from it. His preseason work on MNF was skewered by television critics and football fans alike, and the first regular season broadcast on 11 September wasn't any better. The regular team announced the first game of Monday night's unusual doubleheader, with the Washington Redskins hosting the Minnesota Vikings (a second game, the Oakland Raiders at the Chargers, announced by Brad Nessler, Dick Vermeil, and Ron Jaworski in San Diego, didn't end until after 1am on the east coast). For most of the 'Skins-Vikings game, Kornheiser and Theismann bickered like small children. During one unmemorable exchange, Kornheiser explained that Redskins coach Joe Gibbs' job was to "wander the sidelines." A horrified Theismannâ€â€who was quarterback for Gibbs' Super Bowl-winning Redskins back in 1982â€â€responded tersely, "No, he doesn't. He does some stuff." This is hardly the color commentating of dreams. Even the much-maligned Dennis Miller never almost came to fisticuffs with his fellow broadcasters.

    While it appears the Kornheiser Experiment is set on a course toward abysmal failure, MNF's underlying philosophy is also shifted. Rather than reassert the old-school parameters of football for football fans, it is opened up to a broader audience, embracing sports' participation in a massive entertainment industry. At one point, Jamie Foxx appeared in the broadcast booth, declaring, "I'm huge fans of all you guys." He also plugged his good friend and Collateral co-star Tom Cruiseâ€â€whom the ESPN cameras showed frequently sitting in the booth of 'Skins owner Daniel Snyderâ€â€as "the most genuine person you'll ever meet."

    The fact that Snyder and Cruise have signed a much-publicized deal following the movie star's even more publicized split with Paramount only highlights the multifaceted intertwinings of media and sports. For football fans, the image of Tom Cruise holding Katie Holmes' hand while chatting with his new boss is considerably less compelling than, say, the evening's performance by oldest quarterback in the league Brad Johnson. But the cameras repeatedly showcased Snyder's new business partner, an emblem of the multimedia "synergy" that appears to be driving MNF.

    In stark contrast, the real coup d'état for NBC's Sunday night venture wasn't, as many commentators believed, the return of football to the network, but rather, the convincing of John Madden and Al Michaels to jump ship and join the team. This automatically brought a level of credibility to the broadcast that ESPN only wishes MNF still commanded. With the increasing visibility of his franchise video games, Madden is the ultimate broadcaster, in spite of his occasionally nonsensical commentary. He and play-by-play announcer Michaelsâ€â€originally rumored to be staying at MNF before he decided to stick with his longtime booth partnerâ€â€mesh better than anyone else in the game. And they don't need pop star references to make their show entertaining or smart.

    And still, NBC's Thursday night (7 September) broadcast of the Dolphins-Steelers game also included a few too many famous hangers-on, with a pregame show featuring celebs ranging from Diddy to Pink. And really, Madden and Michaels tried a little too hard to seem hip. On Sunday night (10 September), the "Manning Bowl 2006" pitted the Giants' Eli Manning against Peyton and the Colts for the first time in the brothers' NFL careers. The media buildup to this match was deafening, and NBC followed through on Sunday with repeated shots of the Manning parents and silly puff pieces about the boys' prodigious childhoods. At some point, it's all the same drivel. Fortunately for the Peacock, M and M tend to keep a focus on football.

    Football, after all, is what these primetime broadcasts should be about. And that can be football in a larger context: during the halftime show of the 'Skins-Vikings game, ESPN featured a thoughtful piece about 9/11. John Gruden, Tiki Barber, Joe Andruzzi, and a host of others weighed in with their thoughts about the day, the cancellation of football that week and what it meant personally, professionally, and even nationally when the league returned on 23 September. The lesson offered by the surprisingly reverential and moving documentary was that football is bigger than SNF or MNF can ever be. It's also more meaningful to its fans than all the non-sports stars and references the networks have been including. To borrow from Williams Jr., whose anthem was yet again revived this past Monday, we are ready for some football. But that's all we want.


    Sorry, I didn't mean for this to be that long, but rest assured the main games are Sunday Night instead of Monday now.
     
  8. backrow

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    tonight is all about Cooley vs Curtis for me [​IMG]
     
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    I hope they both have big games not only because they are two very good white players but because I have them both on my fantasy and am down 30 points..[​IMG]But in all seriousness I look for Curtis to really breakout tonight and shine, Reggie Brown is abysmal as a #1 WR and Kevin Curtis is their deep threat... I hope he has a great game!
     
  10. yanling

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    It's not just limited to the NFL Monday Night Football; television shows in
    general seem to want to shove black doctors, lawyers, scientists, geniuses,
    inventors, et al down our throats.

    BTW according to what they teach kids in school today, Christopher
    Colombus was as evil as Hitler.

    in other words, black = good where as white = bad.
     
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    NBC and the NFL can expect feet in their mouths if the 2007 WS is a sweep (unless there's a rainout of game 3 or 4). A sweep would mean no baseball on FOX on 10/28.

    JohnEdited by: foreverfree
     
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    Did anyone hear Charles Barkley say that Donovan McNabb gets treated poorly by Philly fans and that they don't show him the same respect that Indy fans have for Peyton Manning? He also said that they have had equal results the last 4-5 years and that Mcnabb has even been more successful leading them to Championship games. I did some research and here is the head to head comparison from 2001-2006:

    Passing yards- Peyton 25,299 McNabb 17,767
    TD's- Peyton 190 McNabb 123
    Int's Peyton 81 McNabb 52
    Wins Peyton 66 McNabb 64
    Playoff records- Peyton 7-7 with a Super Bowl Championship
    McNabb 8-6 NO Super Bowl wins

    The numbers clearly indicate advantage to Peyton in stats and championships!
     
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    My son's junior high team makes less errors during a game than that mess on MNF last night. Oh boy, that was one boring game: errant passes, miscues, and basic jungle ball. Where are the techniques? In the not so distant future when all NFL teams start a black QB, this will be standard fare, rather than exceptionally bad football. When there are no more Mannings, Bradys and Rothlisbergers allowed in the league, then the McDrabs, Dullpeppers and JaMucus will look like superstars.
     
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    Peyton Manning is on MNF only once? And Manning is the No.1 player in the game. During his playing days, MNF had O.J. Simpson on as much as possible.
     
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    The game was shown in the UK in the early hours of the morning - so I taped it. I've managed to watch 3 quarters of it so far. It is hard work because the TV coverage and commentary is really getting me down.
    The commentators keep rambling on about all kinds of stuff not related to the game. I'm trying to watch a game of football and they are distracting me more than adding anything to the game.
    When they do talk about the game it is 50% about how good the quarterbacks are and 50% how bad the Eagles receivers are, including slow motion replays of Curtis being covered and not getting open. (that is to get open in the 1.5 seconds allowed before McNabb ran into a defensive lineman) As you can imagine I am watching Curtis on most plays. When he has been open McNab either got sacked, didn't see him or missed him (I haven't seen the 4th quarter yet). I don't object to them making this point if that is their opinion, but it is the endless repetition over and over and over McNabb good - Philly receivers bad, McNabb good - Philly receivers bad, McNabb good - Philly receivers bad, McNabb good - Philly receivers bad, McNabb good - Philly receivers bad.
    Well you get the idea.
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    Devans- I think you mean McNabb good- receivers bad, but the point is the same.

    The commentators on Monday Night Football have become increasingly horrendous over the years. Al Michaels was a master of talking about everything EXCEPT the play on the field. Why do these idiots refuse to just call the game, which they're being paid a criminal amount of money to do?

    As for Barkley's comments, I guess McNabb heard them. He has now stated publicly that black QBs are held to a higher standard than white QBs and criticized more often. No, that was not a typo. Apparently, McNabb doesn't turn on his television set very often, or read anything ever written by any sportswriter. Could there be anything more ridiculous than the notion that white players somehow receive favorable treatment, presumably from coaches, fans and the media? One might just as well argue that the sky isn't blue; it's that diametrically opposed to reality. Don King's America is indeed a wonderful place.
     
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    McNabb is way off--playing the passive-aggressive game that reeks of the whole "not enough blacks are in MLB" crap we have had to endure this year. I don't have an instant distaste for black QB's per say. I would prefer a trade off for more white wide receivers. But his rant was misplaced frustration. Whites are humiliated daily in the sports media. Wake up McNabb.
     
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    I feel the same way about black QBs, if the league stays as it is currently w/ about 5 or 6 black starters at QB and 20% black or less overall it doesn't really bother me. In fact I find Vince Young quite exciting. If it came down to it I would even prefer to see 7 or 8 black starting QBs if it meant a trade off to get more white WRs and a few starting white RBs and CBs. Of course it doesn't work that way though. [​IMG]

    If the NFL handled players according to their merits in reality I would say there should only be about 4 black starting QBs, but oh well. (4 black starters would make 12.5% of starting QBs black and almost all of the other 87.5% would be white.) Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
     
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    Did you and Tiki have a falling out?? [​IMG]
     
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    I've been reading headlines now that Jason Campbell was "Exceptional" in the Eagles game. I mean did I watch the same game? Exceptional and showed poise like a veteran??? [​IMG]
     
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    exceptional interception, yeah [​IMG]
     
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    Vince Young is exciting in much the same way as a car crash is... maybe that is why so many people enjoy him.


    they can't help but watch the horror that is about to happen. [​IMG]
     
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    Well, let me put it this way...as a football fan in a league where there are so few white players, I would prefer to cheer for a black at a "white friendly" position than a caste position. I'm a big Giants fan and Tiki was really the only black player I liked at a caste position since Barry Sanders.

    I was under the impression that the Titans were going to draft Leonard in the second round weeks before the draft when I saw their draft position in the second round. The Titans last year also had Drew Bennett and Kyle Vanden Bosh on defense and I had caught some Titan games last year to cheer for Drew Bennett. Having found Vince Young an exciting player from what I had seen of him in his rookie season and in college, I was thinking of having the Titans as my number two team if they drafted Leonard...Then like "caste whorish" fools they drafted Chris Henry and his 3.5 yards per carry out of a college powerhouse known as Arizona (sarcasm) b/c they fell in love with his 4.33 40 time [​IMG]

    I can't stand their team now, but I still find Vince to be an exciting player..The dude is very clutch as shown by his numerous comebacks including one against my Giants and of course him leading Texas to victory in the Bowl game. If the guy can get his completion percentage close to 60% and get his QB rating into the low to mid 80's he will become a very dangerous QB, because of his clutch play and running skills. Vince seems to know when to hang in the pocket a little longer as opposed to Vick. Of course Vince Young will never be as good as Tom Brady or Payton Manning though. [​IMG]

    Alright, now that I'm finished with my Toasts to Tiki posts I will start "A Toast to Vince Young" thread [​IMG]

    Just kidding, I am not really that huge a fan of Vince. [​IMG] Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
     
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    It would be interesting -- though highly unlikely -- to see white players behave as smugly and arrogantly as typical black players.

    White trash-talking is almost universally derided as bad sportsmanship but black trash-talking is written off as charisma and confidence.
     
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    Just saw where Vince Young was fined $7,500 for unsportsmanlike conduct last week. When do you here of a QB fined for that? Only with the blacks. That's just the way they are.

    Tom Iron...
     

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