Black flops

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  1. Alkene

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    A lot of Black players get really hyped up by the media, but end up being major flops.

    A recent case that comes to my mind is the Holland full-back/winger Royston Drenthe. He was given a prominent spot in Hollands' U-21 team, where had 24 caps. But since then, Drenthe has made only 1 appearance for the Dutch senior team, and this was during a friendly when the coaches experiment with different players. By comparison, Arjen Robben never represented Holland at the youth level, but instead rose from a small-town club to be his country's best player and among the world elites.

    Drenthe moved to Real Madrid in 2007 for some €14 million - hyped up as a new Roberto Carlos . He failed to get regular playing time, as Robben and Sneijder were on the wings and the Brazilian Marcelo was the permanent left-back. So Drenthe was exiled on loan to some backwater Spanish club Hercules and currently with England's Everton; he's still technically a Real Madrid player. His attitude was terrible: he refused to train for at the club he was exiled to, claiming that he wasn't paid enough! His coach said about him, "What Drenthe did showed an enormous lack of respect and professionalism. He had no respect for his team-mates and the fans. I left Hercules without demanding anything and no-one said anything."

    Here's hilarious footage of Drenthe messing up on a dribble, and Messi showing him how it's done.
    [video=youtube;i8R7cINxqpM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8R7cINxqpM[/video]

    There's another Great Black Hype from Holland, Eljero Elia, who has failed to get regular playing time at his new club Juventus in a €9 million move, and his played only 45 minutes so far this season. He got horrible reviews for his debut against Catania early on in the season, which is why he's warming the bench.
    Yet another Black flop from Holland was Ryan Babel, who made a €14 move to Liverpool in 2007, where he ended up being a bench-warmer. He earned only 31 starts and 60 substitutions in 3.5 seasons at Liverpool, with Torres and Kuyt ahead of him in the pecking order. He only made 12 goals and 5 assists in his 90 games. So last season, he was shipped off to a small German club Hoffenheim. Babel is a typical "athlete", who has nothing but pace: he's a striker who can't score and can't dribble. Unsurprisingly, he was another one with an immature attitude.

    Then there's France's striker Djibril Cisse, a journeyman who's been on 6 different teams. He moved to Liverpool for the 2004-05 season for €17 million. Though he's a striker, he has a horrendous touch, can't head the ball, can't dribble, and is a clownish finisher.He spent a lot of his time at at the club on the bench, even though Liverpool at the time had a mediocre strike force in Peter Crouch and washed-up Morientes. Cisse was shipped out after only 2 seasons with Liverpool. He went back to England with Sunderland, where he again flopped. Recently, he's moved to the Roman club Lazio, where he's failed to make an impact. Just how does this guy stay attract so much interest from teams? The only places where he's been successful is a couple seasons in the French league and with Greece's Panathinaikos - hardly top-level football.
     
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  2. frederic38

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    it might be too early to add lukaku to this list, but the last match he played for chelsea was against liverpool in carling cup (a match i watched)
    he was so horrible that he has been criticized a lot, and now he plays for the reserve squad
    in that match he also almost broke the leg of a liverpool player


    this player was so hyped, and he is such a typical black striker
     
  3. Alkene

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    Lukaku to me looks like the new Bafetimbi Gomis - a stereotypical Black striker with "pace" and "power" but without a semblance of skill or intelligence. It's a worrying sign that he's been warming the bench because it suggests the manager doesn't have confidence in his abilities. The games he has played in, mostly the Cup games, he has played very poorly. His scoring rate for Belgium is awful, and suggests that he was part of the reason why they didn't qualify for Euro 2012. Lukaku succeeded in a bad league like Belgium, but he would be destroyed by top defenders.

    The transfer fee of €25 million for Lukaku is absolutely insane! That much money is paid for an established star, not for a teenager. Chelsea could have bought a quality player for that much. Can you believe that Luis Suarez, superior to Lukaku in every possible way, cost Liverpool about the same amount?

    During the Euro qualifiers, Lukaku was given the chance to live up to the hype, and he failed. He did nothing much for the team: all he did was win a header that led to a goal for Van Buyten during a set piece in the Turkey game. He played in 6 games and 315 minutes total, and he scored 0 goals. Belgium's qualifiers were disastrous: 4-4 vs Austria, 1-1 vs Azerbaijan, and a 1-1 draw and 2-3 loss to Turkey. But Jelle Vossen played in 3 of the qualifiers and got 2 goals. So the Belgian coach sticking with Lukaku really back-fired.

    This is from the player ratings in the 3-1 loss to Germany for Lukaku, when he up against Mats Hummels:
    Lukaku replaced Ogunjimi at half-time and worked harder for possession, but tried to do too much on his own and was almost always foiled by Hummels. Did manage to get the better of his marker on one occasion, but was denied by Neuer.


    And here's the review for Germany's great young defender Mats Hummels in the Germany-Belgium, who destroyed the Black mercenaries that Belgium threw at him. Against quality defence, stereotypical Black strikers such as Lukaku stand no chance.

    Mats Hummels: Marked Ogunjimi out of the game, and frustrated Lukaku to no end as the Chelsea man was forced to run away from the box to get any contact with the ball. In 50-50 attempts, he won an incredible 31 of 35, and never committed a foul. Had one mistake as he was dispossessed from behind in the 68th minute.
     
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  4. frederic38

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    yes, look at the first page of the "horrible misses" thread, i posted some great ones from cissé, he is one of my favourites black strikers, he is INCREDIBLY goofy
    it was a very known fact in france that he is a bad finisher
    liverpool buying him isn't surprising because premier league clubs seem to love this kind of players, but why did lazio buy him?
    he was more expansive than forlan for example

    this link i posted also in the "horriblee misses" thread says it all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-13004471

    i also monitored him pretty closely this season since i knew he was going to fail , and his stats are incredible
    http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...lack-attackers&p=236185&viewfull=1#post236185
     
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  5. Alkene

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    Cisse ran away to the Greek league to Panathinaikos. He played well there and scored a lot of goals. So I guess that teams from the big European leagues were fooled into thinking that Cisse would be able to contribute to them based on his successes with Panathinaikos.
     
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    Add Taye Taiwo from Milan to the list. At least Milan did not pay a lot of money for this "talent".
    He's been loaned to QPR now.
    I would probably also add Milan's Robinho to the list.
     
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    also garra dembele, a french born black malian striker and rapist
    he scored a lot in bulgarian league, and was very hyped
    then he went to friburg, where he scored only 1 goal in 12 matches so far
     
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    i totally forgot about this "spanish" player, but i remember that i was very angry to see him with the real madrid jersey:

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    javier balboa

    he might be the worst player ever to play for real madrid
    he disappeared quickly

    benfica signed him for 4 millions, which is ridiculous especially when you look at how cheap they can have talented players when they buy brazilian players
    they can buy brazilian internationals for less than 1 million (for example luisao the central defender)
     
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  9. frederic38

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    remember julien faubert?
    i don't even know what he is doing right now


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    he was called for the french national team
    he was always mentionned as one of the few muslim players at the time (he is not arab though, but black mixed with white)
    then he was bought by real madrid (another muslim for real madrid)
    and everybody suddenly realised that he was bad

     
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    Inter bought the the negro striker David Suazo of Honduras (do they even play football there?) for €13 million euros in 2007. He was awful for them: only 8 goals in 35 games. He was officially with Inter for 4 years, but spent much of the time on loan to small clubs.
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    In 2007, English club Tottenham bought Darren Bent for €25 million. He only got 24 goals in some 80 games for them. After two seasons, Tottenham sold him for half that amount.

    The half-caste bastard from France David N'Gog reflects the failure of French youth development. He was brought up by Paris St-Germain's youth team, but they got rid of him and sent him to Liverpool for only €2 million. He only made 1 goal in 18 games for PSG. With Liverpool, he only got 16 goals in 86 appearances, most of them off of the bench. Liverpool then sent him to Bolton for €5 million. But with Bolton last season, which was relegated, he made only 4 goals in 40 games, he started most of these games.



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    England negro striker "Carlton Cole" is a Chelsea reject. He was brought up in their youth team, but was sold in 2006 to West Ham. This guy is a clown - a lot of jokes are made about like with Heskey. He's only scored 40 goals in some 170 games with West Ham before they were relegated in 2011. A funny comment at a West Ham fans' site says that he has the "First touch of a rapist, lazy, can't finish, can't hold the ball up, can't head the ball, can't strike a ball cleanly, has no pace, and he's a sulker...the cunt aint even worth 2 bob."
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    by the time i started watching football, there were 2 blacks who were over-hyped: peter luccin and stephane dalmat

    here they are on the cover on the magazines i used to read back then:

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    both played in both marseille and paris saint germain, which is very unusual

    dalmat was bought by paris saint germain for more than 10 million euros
    he never lived up to the hype and went from big club to another big club: internazionale, tottenham
    once he was exposed as a bad player, he started playing in smaller clubs in spain and france
    his palmares: he won 2 "coupe de la ligue" and was nominated multiple times for the "ballon de plomb", same than the golden ball but for the worst player in the world
    of course, as if one dalmat wasn't enough, dalmat has 2 brothers who are also professional football players (i remember wilfried dalmat at nantes)

    luccin followed a similar path , but he played in spain most of his "career"

    they are the biggest flops in the history of french soccer

    this is why italy has no world class striker right now
    i have always been OK (and happy ) with south american talented players coming to the italian or spanish league
    but it goes way overboard now
    suazo is not even south american, and he's not talented
    he takes a spot that a young italian player could take, so he destroys italian football while south american stars like recoba or ronaldo back then helped the italian players to improve because they made the italian league more competitive

     
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    I don't know if this is accurate or not but I heard a football analyst say on the radio today that Ashley Young has missed 5 out of 13 penalty attempts. If true that's an astonishingly poor record. It makes you wonder why he was taking a penalty in the first place.
     
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    he's better at obtaining penalties it seems

    [video=youtube_share;lARDJ6QcDPk]http://youtu.be/lARDJ6QcDPk[/video]



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    Sort of OT but Clarence Seedorf is leaving Serie A. He's leaving Europe altogether for the Brazilian league. He wasn't a black flop in his prime but this past season I couldn't see what he was contributing to Milan.
     
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    haha, Drenthe was a very frequent guest of a nightclub our company runs.

    not even a good spender :(
     
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    benjani is a zimbabweyan striker
    that's not the kind of strikers we usually have in ligue 1, so he stands out, because most of our african strikers are from ivory coast, nigeria, ect
    but this one was from zimbabwe
    he was bought by manchester city for 4 millions (forlan was sold by manchester united for less than this amount)
    he scored only 4 goals, 1 goal every 436 minutes
    he was loaded to sunderland, but sunderland rejected him
    http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/no-sunderland-move-for-benjani-1-1111907

    he left the club in 2010, and since then scored 3 goals in the 2010-2011 season, then 1 in the 2011-2012 season, in second division

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    boubacar sanogo managed to score only 1 goal in more than 30 ligue 1 matches with saint etienne
    he has been recentlty fired by the club
    http://www.francefootball.fr/#!/news/2012/03/03/123344_sanogo-officiellement-licencie.html

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    mamadou sakho no longer plays as a titular at paris saint germain
    as agile as an elephant and born with the brain of a mice, he was suposed to be france's new black central defender
    but when he played for france he was horrible
    and now koscielny is better than him and plays in the national team
    every big club was (is still?) interested in him, especially bayern munchen
    he was named the captain of the team at 17 years old! (!)
    he was the youngest captain of the history of the french league


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    some great black flops in this thread too:

    http://www.castefootball.us/forums/threads/13757-Ali-Dia-the-fake-footballer
     
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    sackho is rumored to leave paris saint germain because he no longer plays and ancelotti doesn't plan to have him on the team


    guess the price of this black flop from the portuguese league, djalma from fc porto?

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    30 million euros:
    http://relvado.sapo.pt/mercado/rumores/djalma-nao-fala-sobre-fc-porto
    sure, keep dreaming....

    this guy has zero talent, he's african, from angola
    he played instead of white brazilian international player kleber laude last year
    everybody that has watched a match involving fc porto this year, where djalma played, will know how much of a flop he is
     
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    the french over-rated black diamond named pogba (not to be mistaken with one his 2 brothers that also play soccer professionally):

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    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...p/ferguson-pogba-lacked-respect-16180820.html

    i don't think that he will play much for juventus, and this kind of black players are useless in italian serie a, so another black flop

    i saw him play during an europa league match, against athletic bilbao i think: an hippo with a ball, that's how i would describe him


    anelka:
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    he was one of the most hated players in france for his c*cky attitide, and what he did at the 2010 world cup ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/19/france-worldcup2010 )

    now he plays in china and he's still the same over-rated black striker:


    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/nicolas-anelka-argues-with-fan-after-1131079

    black-brazilian breno:

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    he was bought 12 millions at less than 20 years old by bayern munchen
    he was condemned recently to 3 years and 9 months in jail because he burned his house while he was drunk

     
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    stefano okaka, here on the cover of a magazine titled "the new italians":

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    like balotelli, he was hyped only because he was black and italian
    during the last years, he was on loan most of the time, and was never a titular, he's just not good enough
    last season he was a substitute at parma


    Eric Djemba-Djemba:

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    he was bought by manchester united as a successor to roy keane
    he since then played in minor leagues, and now has no club


    another french black player that failed at manchester united was david bellion:

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    he was suposedly so good that he turned pro in england, and then he was bought by manchester united after his english club was relegated, and he failed to impress at manchester united
    then he was sold to french ligue 1 clubs
    and he looks like a bad french ligue 1 player
     
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    florent sinama pongolle (former liverpool player) was refused in rumania (steaua bucarest) because the president said that he was "too black" :biggrin1:

    edit: i said that pogba shouldn't play for juventus but actually it seems that he will get to play as a dfensive middlfielder, while he is a forward
    so there you have it, your token black player playing for juventus
     
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    The number of black flops is just astounding. I wonder what the percentage of black flops is compared to other races. I actually feel bad for the Asian players. They have to be truly exceptional to be signed by a European club. A black just has to score one goal in a minor league to be signed in a top league.

    Thank you for documenting this fraud Frederic. Maybe 10 years from now, more managers and fans will find this thread and realize that we were right. Football is just not a sport for most blacks. Sprinting in track and field and basketball are the sports they concentrate on.
     
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    i post only the ones that went to other leagues, but in france almost every young black player is incredibly hyped,for example younousse sankharé was a young player for PSG, every "expert" including former players were saying that he had an incredible potential (the same they say about balotelli) and now he plays in second division

    i'm surprised that no american posted about fredy adu in this thread
    i can't post about him because i wouldn't do him justice, i never saw him play but i heard that he was the best young player in the world
    now he isn't really the best player in the world i guess

    freddy adu was, for what i know, the biggest flop ever
     
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    Yep. Here's an article today explaining how after failing to succeed in Europe, he's now flopping in the "mighty" MLS. He's been dropped from the Philadelphia Union starting lineup and only has 3 goals in 18 matches this year. :yuck:

    From the article:
    The Union's interim head coach John Hackworth has made little secret of his dissatisfaction with Adu, both by limiting his playing time and with a series of public comments. Hackworth berated Adu in the media for an approach he believes is too "self-centered" on the field, an accusation that has plagued the midfielder for years.

    Adu has played in Portugal, France and Greece but never found a happy home in Europe, prompting his return to MLS. That has not exactly gone to plan either, with Adu failing to ignite the Union into genuine contenders. As captain, he also couldn't get the U.S. past the Olympic qualifying round as the American squad missed out on the Games in London.


    As things stand, he has never played in a World Cup, has made only fleeting appearances for the national team and is now struggling to even get a starting role in the domestic league.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/soccer--former-phenom-freddy-adu-running-out-of-options.html
     
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    because of your post i recall that he played in france, i forgot it because he didn't do anything
    thanks for the info, that's the kind of things that only americans can post
    the biggest flop ever
    before coming to france nobody knew him but he had the reputation of being the most talented young player
    when he left france nobody noticed it because he was nothing special
     
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    I never mentioned Adu because I just assumed everyone already knew about him. It's like saying the sky is blue. Everyone knows Adu was one of the biggest flops in history.

    The U.S. media treated him like a God when he was 14 years old. Nike even gave him a $1 million dollar contract at FOURTEEN YEARS OLD!! Before he even played his first professional game!

    Speaking of more flops, Maurice Edu, the guy who is famous for completely missing the ball, recently transferred to Stoke City of the Premier League. The guy has absolutely no first touch - ball always bounces 7 feet away - and he has no basic dribbling skills. How does this happen? :der: As you were saying Frederic, this shows you how stupid some English clubs are. They don't even do proper scouting
     

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