average trait differnce white to afro americans in sd

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  1. waterbed

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    Often said most genetic variaty withing race.often said it to be 85% inside to outside race( probably white to afro america) and 88% white to east asian.This are the same that say 99.9% races the same when later found out bigger sample of populations tested bantu to chinese 0.3 and white to bantu 0.23 and white to west african 0.15 and afro american 0.12 rounded to 0.1 differnce to white.What does this mean in standard deviations

    50 % at 0 sd and 13.7% above 1 sd 2.3 % above 2 sd 1/740 above 3 and 1/30000 above 4 and 1 in 3.4 million above 5 and 1 in billion
    same but then under for -1 -2 etc.

    So for humans races it is to little over 5 distruted .15% of -6 to 6 is 1.5 is 1.8 and for 50% point is 0.9 sd. So average of all differences 0.9 sd this is quite shocking big to me when I realise now . Now some things I have just have to find yet in which white and black average is identical twin lol.



    average leg is 52% of height for whites and 5.4 % sd black 4% longer legs same height is 4/5.4 is is 0.75 sd (just a nice illustration of the medium)
    calves could be 1 sd bigger in whites ,just a Guess put probably isn't far off
    fastest black white 100 meter differnce is 4% and 1 sd speed is 5.3% or so time so also close 3/4 sd.
    top speed is 7% or so differnce sd 1.25(first 20 meters acceleration close to twin maybe) very easily detected in soccer when I played a selective amateurs in the differnce is the fastest part of the sprint was distributed.I think whites have better sprint endurace so 80 to 100 meter could be 6.5% in stead of 7% differnce.
    Confidence when meauring things 60% of whites and 82% of blacks tought they where average to good I remember in differnt task math etc. so 0.65 sd( which seems a bit low but maybe they relatyvely modest thinkers of themselves as school performers)
    Intelligence 100 for whites and 85 iq for afro americans with 15 for sd in whites is 1 sd( only taking in very G loaded genetic based on twins parts( mtach science ) and taking out cultural influenced parts like verbal it is probably like 1.25 sd.Variation of these sample 0.65 to 1.25 sd.

    It looks like sprinting top speed away from animal of afro americans ( east africans aren't fast sprinters but very differnt slow high grass ground there)and intelligence we are selected the most different.I dont say in indivdully things sub races or races that differ less% can differ more.
    In some things like sprinting whites and afro americnas or west africans could have more in common then west to east africans becuase of very differnent ground for the feet( sorry for my poor english) but overall much more in common west east african which you would expect genetically.
    Just as arab to white( espacially dutch with 3 thick rivers and sea in small country ) temperament vs down to earth( altrough the real opposite of temperament is nuchter but can't be exactly translated becuase it is typically dutch) is hugely differnt becuase arabs had to come up for themselves about who get's the water in the sand places and close sahara perhaps lol when the most important ingredient for humans in holland is and was everywhere and it's raining a lot too.

    the 3/4 average differnce is most prominent in ends of sd like where 5 sd is 100 times less common then 4 and also at the end 0.75 on average is more at end bell curve becuase lowers medium shrinks down sd often if not always linear.
     
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    Often said most genetic variaty withing race.often said it to be 85% inside to outside race( probably white to afro america) and 88% white to east asian.This are the same that say 99.9% races the same when later found out bigger sample of populations tested bantu to chinese 0.3 and white to bantu 0.23 and white to west african 0.15 and afro american 0.12 rounded to 0.1 differnce to white.What does this mean in standard deviations

    50 % at 0 sd and 13.7% above 1 sd 2.3 % above 2 sd 1/740 above 3 and 1/30000 above 4 and 1 in 3.4 million above 5 and 1 in billion
    same but then under for -1 -2 etc.

    So for humans races it is to little over 12 distrubuted( -6 to 6) .15% of -6 to 6 is is 1.8 and for 50% point is 0.9 sd. So average of all differences 0.9 sd white to afro american this is quite shocking big to me when I realise now . Now some things I have just have to find yet in which white and black average is identical twin lol.




    average leg is 52% of height for whites and 5.4 % sd black 4% longer legs same height is 4/5.4 is is 0.75 sd (just a nice illustration of the medium)
    calves could be 1 sd bigger in whites ,just a Guess put probably isn't far off
    fastest black white 100 meter differnce is 4% and 1 sd speed is 5.3% or so time so also close 3/4 sd.
    top speed is 7% or so differnce sd 1.25(first 20 meters acceleration close to twin maybe) very easily detected in soccer when I played a selective amateurs in the differnce is the fastest part of the sprint was distributed.I think whites have better sprint endurace so 80 to 100 meter could be 6.5% in stead of 7% differnce.
    Confidence when meauring things 60% of whites and 82% of blacks tought they where average to good I remember in differnt task math etc. so 0.65 sd( which seems a bit low but maybe they relatyvely modest thinkers of themselves as school performers)
    Intelligence 100 for whites and 85 iq for afro americans with 15 for sd in whites is 1 sd( only taking in very G loaded genetic based on twins parts( mtach science ) and taking out cultural influenced parts like verbal it is probably like 1.25 sd.Variation of these sample 0.65 to 1.25 sd.

    It looks like sprinting top speed away from animal of afro americans ( east africans aren't fast sprinters but very differnt slow high grass ground there)and intelligence we are selected the most different.I dont say in indivdully things sub races or races that differ less% can differ more.
    In some things like sprinting whites and afro americnas or west africans could have more in common then west to east africans becuase of very differnent ground for the feet( sorry for my poor english) but overall much more in common west east african which you would expect genetically.
    Just as arab to white( espacially dutch with 3 thick rivers and sea in small country ) temperament vs down to earth( altrough the real opposite of temperament is nuchter but can't be exactly translated becuase it is typically dutch) is hugely differnt becuase arabs had to come up for themselves about who get's the water in the sand places and close sahara perhaps lol when the most important ingredient for humans in holland is and was everywhere and it's raining a lot too.

    the 3/4 average differnce is most prominent in ends of sd like where 5 sd is 100 times less common then 4 and also at the end 0.75 on average is more at end bell curve becuase lowers medium shrinks down sd often if not always linear
     
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    I just taked the 85% of variaty withing race and so 15% outisde and what this means.
     
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    I had first -5 to -5 when it is -6 to -6 more like so I had first 0.75 sd as 0.9 which it seems to be
     
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    I just trying to say because whites total variaty from most stupid to rocket scientist is enormous the 15 % outside race is enormous and has effect that average white to afro american traits differ by 0.9 sd!
     
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    the samples that variated from 0.65 to 1.25 were just and illustration.I counted 4/5.4 as stright line up( not right but don't know how to call line how it is) as 0.74 sd when it is more like 0.6 sd but is lot of work to calculate.but some are slighly moreX,1 x,2 to 5 and 6-9 less so overall no differnces and this were just illustrations of which a lot will have doubts for example top speed.I am still shaking of the effect that only 85% genetic variation is within race and the effect it has.
     
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    I know English is not your natural language but the spelling and structure make this hard to understand the message you were trying to convey personally.
     
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    If you have 700 million whites there is huge variation from all the traits -5.875 to 5.875 sd .A lot of things are somewhat normal distributed.You can say it is also enviromental but for some it is stimulted a bit more and other less which make no big differnce overall and genes are important for envireonment too( in the way of you can never make a worm who is 74 % dna like human in behavior like a human or a chimp of 98.5 %). If you had a white 100 meter race from trained sprinter of whites you get let say for fastest 9.7 and let say 19 seconds slowest when he is in fact training in his twenties, healthy bit still can run only like 19 seconds 100 meter.same for intelligence from one that just reading is to difficult to most genius.if only 15% off all part is outside race it is still a big portion becuase you can expect whole differnt average for the races.So when white trait in same environment is taked the medium at 50% then it could be 82%( 0.9 sd above average negro) at negro distribution for average selected trait.The more genes working together for a trait the more important and the more races are differnent the more they have differnces in the collection of genes.

    Juswt when you realise how much whites variation is whitin whites and that average white is half sd away from the medium( if i remebered correct) you understand why you see traits in very differnt rates in white and blacks and east asians and intensity.( being likely having much more of the total genes for certain trait collection)
     
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    I think slowest white maybe could be 17 seconds 100 meter with taining etc.in his 20's.the differences in traits is most visible when there is big variation in something like g loaded IQ a big with a big SD in % variation and there is big 1.25 sd differnce.


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    What did the scientist expect ? That 60% of variation was outisde race lol so that most traits can't find overlap in other races? even 1% outside race is significant of total genetic variation.
     
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    I will finish. what does it say most variation within ethnic group? could 1 sd not be possible.off course easily becuase if total variation is up to 5.875 sd's away from the mean(Theoretically someone could be 10 sd from average but change is 0.0000etc 1that he exists)1 sd /5.875 you can also say you most variation within group but it doesn't seems to me like not important but very significant.
     
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    i disagree. i think it's just his struggle with English that makes his posts hard to understand.
     
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    I was just trying to say it is a contradiction to say 15% of genetic variation is outside race and then think heavily genetic traits have the same distribution and can not differ 1 sd on average becuase genetically we are so close.If you let a big sample of black and whites make an IQ test and they differ on average 1 sd you can also say big majority of test score differnce is within race.
     
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    white avg iq 100 sd 15%
    black avg iq 85 sd 15%

    lets say both tested group size 700 persons so you would expect till 3 sd of the norm in variation.
    And let asssume all blacks have 20% white instead of ranging from 0 to like 100% white blood( yes really 5.5% of people that consider therselves black have it not in them when tested) so you get not a strange distribution you normally get but still not very different
    lets take a % sd in stead of absoulte but only till the first sd.Also when you put in lot of very environment influenced stuff in you get a bit more overlap to first sd.

    1 sd 2sd 3sd
    highest white 100*1.15 *1.15*1.15=152 IQ
    highest black 85*1.15*1.15*1.15=129 IQ


    129/152 is 85%


    lowest white 100/1.15/1.15/1.15=65.75
    lowest black 85/1.15/1.15/1.15= 55.89

    55.89/65.75 is 85%


    So you see here that 85% of white scores you also find in blacks. Just like they often say race is a social construct most variation genetically is within race 85% and only minority is outside race.I just don't understand why they think white and blacks would be distributed like a twin in everything.
    I don't think every trait is same % in and out of race.For example I think IQ test scores between black and white espacially when taking out the very environment influenced verbal and looking at beta math science abstract is bigger then 1 sd, just as there are things we are closer then 1 sd apart on average.
     
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    "Often said most genetic variaty withing race.often said it to be 85% inside to outside race( probably white to afro america) and 88% white to east asian.This are the same that say 99.9% races the same when later found out bigger sample of populations tested bantu..."


    That doesn't sound like a guy struggling with English. That sounds like a guy doing a doubletalk comedy routine. Or maybe he's running one of the lesser dialects of the Lower Zambezi through the computer translator by way of Esperanto. I don't know, maybe the guy has been goofing on you with doubletalk since 2007. It's not like he actually responds, except with more goofy doubletalk:

    "waterbed
    I was just trying to say it is a contradiction to say 15% of genetic variation is outside race and then think heavily genetic traits have the same distribution and can not differ 1 sd on average becuase genetically we are so close.If you let a big sample of black and whites make an IQ test and they differ on average 1 sd you can also say big majority of test score differnce is within race. "





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    I can't say for sure one way or another. I usually avoid waterbed's posts to mitigate the certain oncoming migraine that is certain to happen if I read through. :wink:

    I nominate werewolf to read through waterbed's previous 870 posts to determine this once and for all! :painkiller:
     
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    forget stats and look at it from a common sense approach ,
    that any differences in I.Q within race are heavily dependant on
    environment and the health of ones brain ,
    diet and exposure to toxins especially during important developmental years
    can account alot for how well one brain can perform ,regardless
    of genetics and intellectual conditioning . so there will be wide variations due to this simple fact .
    a simple knock to head can be all it takes .
    the important thing is the peolple with the highest i.q and know where found .
    not just intellectect but how a race functions together that allows it all to come together.
    we all know how easy it is to become stupid by choice or not ,just dont use it .
    just have to look at the ever increasing number of shepple out there .
    personally , waiting for the day when actually can increase intellect exogenously by other means ,drugs ,etc .



    as for sprinting , cannot look beyond ped use when looking at it .
    blow stats way out of proportion.
    yes there is a difference but nothing that can account for large gap we see today ,
    throw in its own caste system , participartion , morality and off course
    PEDS .
    And now with Sarm use this gap within race and numbers of elite ,is being made to look larger than ever .
    more yams please.....
     
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    i talked with him on multiple occasions here since i registered, mainly about soccer and track and field, and althought you can tell that english is not his language, i could understand him pretty well
    maybe it's easier for me to understand because i'm not english/american either
    i think that he played soccer at a decent level (2nd division if i remember well)

    but here he's trying to explain something very difficult, most people don't even know what a "standard deviation" is so when you try to talk about it in a foreign language it's pretty hard
     
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    hes not a troll, hes been a while and made some quality posts, but like what others have said, his English is poor. Usually it is much better than this, but maybe the information he is trying to get across is much more difficult because I am having trouble understanding most of it.

    I do want to ask waterbed, what blacks are he talking about? ones straight from west africa? or ones from the US? because I think it has been said the average black person here has about 12 percent White genes.

    The diversity is even bigger where I live. In Louisiana, back in the day of slavery they had "free people of color", they owned slaves etc but didn't enjoy all the rights of Whites.

    Most of these free people of color were mixed, partially White, and they mixed with other half breeds during this time and probably some Whites as well which is how half breeds came about. Even after slavery these "free people of color", who now are referred to as "creole" (which used to be a term for Whites so I will say Creole of Color) discriminated against newly freed slaves.

    They had their own schools and issued comb tests to those who wanted to attend (the comb had to go through, so you couldn't be very black).

    For some reason some White men liked these mixed women and there were quadroon balls (quadroon means a black that is only 1/4th black) the outcome of a White and a quadroon was of course an octoroon (1/8th), for some reason these were the most sought after by those with jungle fever.

    From what I learned, octoroons were considered exotic enough, but had enough White blood in them to be considered civilized. Of course the majority of White men didn't participate in this and quadroons mixed with octoroons, octoroons with octoroons, and of course some Whites with octoroons, which would be what, 1/16th? Its still considered a bad thing among some upper class blacks here to be dark skinned. Most of the high ranking jobs are filled by these "creoles of color" like government position, judges etc, most light skinned. Of course there are many who are dark skinned that are actually mostly White.

    I had a professor who was dark skinned and black features, and she talked about how her mom said family members would make comments about how dark she was and her physical features (blacker) and she got the "bad genes". She said this was not uncommon among light skin people, they have dark children all the time, maybe 1 out every few children .

    I remember reading that these mixed people thought they were a "new race", not understanding genetics etc. Many mixed with natives as well. I wanted to ask this on the other thread where formercornerback was talking about hip swivel etc. How much black heritage does a black need to have this magical hip swivel needed to play, and all of the other athletic traits that Whites just seem to lack?

    I also have read about how Irish were sent all over to different Carribean islands as slaves, one notable one being Jamaica. These slaves eventually intermarried with the blacks there according to the book I have, and apparently many Jamaicans claiming Irish heritage even those who are black as well as many with Irish surnames.

    I know the surname Blake is Irish, is the small part of Irish helping him in the sprints? What about the half aborigine half Irish, which genes helped him brake the 10 second barrier? haha

    People fixate too much on genes, how long legs are. What I have noticed, fast kids are fast. That is fact haha. Those with shorter legs have a higher turnover rate, they usually can change direction quicker and have better balance.

    Blacks were said to be faster and quicker because of skinnier calves, I've seen plenty of variation between both races.

    don't know how true that is in real life, but it holds true for this, look at each one and point out the biggest calves, and then you'll find the guy who is 1 yard and a cloud of dust in the NFL, looks like a lumbering fullback, someone who should have never won the Heisman, no explosion at all.
     

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    Answer to dwid. I was talking about african americans. They have on most test avg 18/19 white blood and 6 % native and east asian.
    One of the reasons people think that black blood is very dominant in phenotype is because they see a multigeneration mulatto and see both parents and think they are 100% black and when they see a person with a pure blooded or nearly black and a white parent they think wow that child look 100 % black because he looks just like 20% of afro americans who have 50% or over white blood but that don't have a white parent( very multi generation mixed on both sides) not realising they have just as much white in them just balanced from both parents.

    about the hips: I think whites have wider hips on average and a wider relatively flatter chest. I also noticed very whitey flat chested guys have often a big forehead and are more often at the right spot,size matters correlates 0.4 with IQ.
    A bodybuilder isn't very mobile because of his width frame too.but whites have better balance on average with lower density point

    About the calves Yes, whites and afro americans overlap 85% so you can easily see a black with thick calves and white with thin ones but in differnt frequence.The guy with the best fast swtich muscles has never also the best calves ratio of legs upper body etc. combined.Because blacks have the sprint tools at higher frequence the fastest black( of west african decent) have more of the tools combinated.
     
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    Ha ha - no thanks. I'm still running the first line through the super-computer to try find out a possible meaning in any known Earth language:

    "Often said most genetic variaty withing race.often said it to be 85% inside to outside race..."


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    No way. I won't even touch this one. It would break the super-computer.



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    PS See definition of "doubletalk" above.
     

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