Artur Szpilka

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  1. Ambrose

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    Wolf, he was moving but not hitting very much (why not?). All that movement must have wore him down because I didn't see a prolonged body attack by Jennings.
     
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    I saw the same nonsense last week with Pascal. By beating Bute, suddenly Pascal is rated above Kovalev! I also watched a day when Vitali while rated below his brother at the time, was saying in public he may only fight once more. That *** Haye was in heat to fight him, so Boxrec flipped the ratings and -voila!- Vitali became the number one with a couple of hundred extra points to boot!

    Look, lets make this very clear, with very few exceptions, like stating who the champion is, almost any rating is simply an opinion. Ratings are mostly a list of someone's favourites.
     
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    I disagree with Carcharias and BS2 about Szpilka's future. If he can't knock a limited, plain, dull, and straightforward fighter like Jennings around, he will never make much money as a prizefighter and, I think, he's wasting his time. Unless...

    If the fight was not pre-planned (fixed), as non of us could know sometimes what is and what isn't:

    Szpilka also needs a reality check if he thought he was going to fight the main event on a black card in NY and "box" to a decision. The only way he was going to "win" was getting up close to Jennings and knocking him around. The only way he could of "won" was to produce a performance that would embarrass the judges if they did not side with him.
     
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    Yea, Rosado is a tough luck guy.

    I also saw his fight last night and I thought Rosado had won anywhere from 2 to 4 rounds in the fight. Of course, don`t expect the pro-American, pro-Black Showtime to recognize that, as everyone on the Showtime team failed to give him more than a single round.

    There seems to be some sort of implied rule in American boxing, that in close rounds, it has to be won by the Negro. There were about 3 to 5 rounds in the Rosado-Charlo fight that were quite close, and you could have went either way with them. The 1st round is a good example of this, I gave it to Rosado, but no surprise that everyone on Showtime said the Negro won.

    They also use punch stats to backup their claims, but of course, the inherent problem with Showtime`s punchstats is that they are subject to the very same pro-American, pro-Black bias that exists in their scoring. Quite simply, punch stats are determined by a Showtime employee sitting at ringside and registering a click everytime he determines that a punch lands. The problem with that, is that it can be hard to tell what should count as a full landed punch, and if you have some sort of bias, it would be easy to give one guy more advantages than the other. A more useful statistic to use is thrown punches, because it is subject to less bias than landed punches and is generally approached more objectively.

    Showtime tried to make it seem like Charlo had won every round and this was a `dominating` performance. Quite frankly, I disagree, he didn`t land enough in various rounds to have won them and I would say he lost anywhere from 2 to 4 rounds in the fight. Moreover, he was getting caught by Rosado and at times seemed unsure about himself. He didn`t control the fight all that well in my opinion. He might become some sort of paper titlist in the future, but I don`t see him ever beating a genuine quality fighter at 154 or 160.
     
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    Szpilka needs to hire a known trainer who has taken fighters to championship level fights. I'm not sure his unknown team is good enough to push him in training camp. He seemed to die in the middle rounds of this fight similar to the Mollo fights, the difference is Jennings is a class above Mollo and didn't let Szpilka lay traps for counter punches while tired. As for Jennings I don't see anything outstanding about him and if you don't have that ability you can't beat Wlad as long as he doesn't age overnight(he will be 38 in March).
     
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    The guy on the BoxRec forum - the sticky on top - explains it thusly:

    "Boxrec ratings do not work on ranks but on points.

    Jennings was #28 before the bout.

    All boxers between ranks 13 and 28 are very close, only some 100 points difference. So Jeggings could step up a lot of ranks by a points woin of 106."
     
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    I just got the impression that he was completely foiled by Jenning's defense. I agree with all the people who say that Szpilka is young and can still improve a lot.
     
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    Very good point, BoxSpec2, and well put. I was wondering where they got all those radical numbers in the Szpilka-Jennings fight when I still thought the fight was about even, as I wasn't seeing it.
     
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    And it is opinion for whom points are awarded; its all opinion.
     
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    Supposedly they have some kind of objective formula they use to rank the boxers. I'll tell you what's 100 opinion, the idiotic list of "best pound for pound" boxers they make, like that's some kind of official ranking. It's nothing but a list of some jerk's favorite boxers, almost always favoring little fellers, preferably negroid little fellers.
     
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    The formula, the points, the rankings, the "pound for pound" myth, the six "champions" per weight class: its all mostly a bunch of baloney.
     
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    Once Deontay "Blackstar" Wilder gets in the ring with a live opponent, if he ever does, the crooks will do everything in their power to make sure he wins. Any fighter will have to knock the great black dope out in order to win.
     
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    Well,you won't get much argument from me about most of that, especially the "pound for pound" and the six champions (or whatever it is) - and throw in all the extraneous little guy weight classes too!* - but I do think that BoxRec is an amazing information resource, and I think that their ranking system is pretty good overall, surely not perfect, but what's better?

    * But imho boxing badly needs at least one more heavy weight class!
     
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    [video=youtube;dbR_TWHdCtc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dbR_TWHdCtc[/video]
     
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    Adamek needs to hang it up. He had a great career and always gave it 100 percent in the ring. He's certainly showing his age and looks flatflooted and slow.
     
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    His body matured and got too big for cruiser, and even tho he had a bunch of excellent wins at heavy he was never a very top guy there as he was when he ruled the cruisers. He's a nice guy and I've never heard anyone say a bad word about him.
     
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    He also lives in Kearny, NJ which is a 10 minute ride from my house. He doesn't need to risk permanent brain damage by fighting any longer.
     
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    Isn't Kearney the place where a lot of Scottish people live? Uncomfortably close to Newark, though. I used to stay across the bay in Jersey City sometimes when visiting NY.

    As expected, Szpilka KO'd the famous baseball great Ty Cobb in the second round last night. Cobb, though, is 129 years old. Looks like he took a dive.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmQ75IGjW3o

    :)
     
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    I certainly hope Artur wins but I highly doubt he will.
     
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    I agree. Artur is athletic (i mean he moves his feet and body), he shows skill and tactics, but he tends to fight short rather than long like Bute does. This is a bad match up for him because Wilder is taller (3 inches?) and fights long. Best we can hope for here is Artur going the distance.
     

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