Are there any threads that discuss black NFL coaches already?

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  1. Courtney from Alabama

    Courtney from Alabama Newbie

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    I tried to do a search on the topic and wasn't able to find a thread that talks about black NFL coaches. Please forgive me, I am new to this site. I am a long time follower of Political Cesspool and American Renaissance, and I post as Courtney from Alabama on those sites as well.

    I support most of what this website says, but I also have a legitimate question. Can someone please explain to me the odd anomaly of black NFL coaches doing so well in the NFL, which is the opposite of what you see in college football? Although this is my first time posting on this forum, I have posed this question to different people before in the pro-white movement and I always get one of two answers : 1) It is because of affirmative action or 2) It is much easier to coach in the NFL.

    Answer number 1 is illegitimate. This answer explains how black NFL coaches become coaches but it doesn't explain why they have been winning the Super Bowl recently in disproportionate amounts. A deeper explanation is needed. Answer number 2 seems more legitimate and if it is true, I would like to explore this more. Is the NFL easier to coach, and does the head coach in the NFL have more help on the sidelines and less decisions to make compared to his components in college football?

    If this topic is already covered in another thread, then I wouldn't mind it if the moderator shut it down, but please direct me to the thread that discusses this topic.



    Thanks and keep up the good work! :smiley:
     
  2. Highlander

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    You mean like Raheem Morris, Jim Caldwell, and Hue Jackson getting fired and Leslie Frazier going 3-13 (and should've been fired)? You mean those black head coaches? Just curious.
     
  3. Courtney from Alabama

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    Nope, I was asking about why recently there seems to be a disproportionate showing of black coaches going to the Super Bowl. I am asking an honest question on this matter, because it is something I am curious about.

    Once again, does it have to do with the fact that the NFL is easier to coach and perhaps it is easier in the NFL to help a black coach win in the Super Bowl (do NFL coaches get more help on the sidelines from assistant coaches for instance, or does the quarterback who is usually white make more of his own decisions in the NFL?)?

    I hope other people who respond give me more of a respectful and polite answer than what you gave. I respect white men a great deal as I have shown on American Renaissance and Political Cesspool and other sites. Just because I am asking a question that you might find silly, that doesn't mean you need to be rude about it or assume I am on here causing trouble.

    This topic comes up on the internet all the time. I would like to be provided with a good answer so I can be prepared to debate people on the matter. I hope my white brothers are willing to help me here.
     
  4. Don Wassall

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    Hi Courtney, I remember you called in one time when I was on James Edwards' show. Glad to see you here.

    There have been only two black coaches to lead their teams to Super Bowl victories -- Tony Dungy of Tampa Bay and Mike Tomlin of Pittsburgh.

    Some black coaches have success, some don't. We have cited articles here where black players admit that they play harder for black coaches than White ones. Often when a black coach takes over from a White coach a team will suddenly do better because most of the players are black, and they are all racially aware and fired up to have a "brother" take over. This past season, when Romeo Crennel took over as the interim coach for Todd Haley after he was fired in Kansas City, the Chiefs immediately played better. This happens also when a black QB takes over for a White quarterback. The Tennessee Titans were playing terribly a few seasons ago when Kerry Collins was starting, pretty much packing it in. But when Collins was benched and Vince Young became the starter, the Titans went on a run and almost made the playoffs.

    A lot of it has to do with racial dynamics and pandering to the league's artificially constructed paradigm of black dominance. Some black coaches are merely system coaches, like Dungy and Jim Caldwell in Indianapolis, where Bill Polian built the roster and Peyton Manning was pretty much the unofficial offensive coordinator. Other black coaches are obviously in way over their heads and don't last long -- Mike Singletary and Ray Rhodes being good examples.

    How capable the front office and assistant coaches are also goes a long way in determining how well a head coach does. Black coaches seem to have an advantage when it comes to motivating players, as while White players are often noted for their "non-stop motors" no matter who the coach is, such is hardly the case with many black players, who need lots of motivation on a continuing basis to play hard despite the millions of dollars they are paid. So given how strongly the Caste System is entrenched in the NFL, and how it has been expanded to coaches, scouts, announcers, etc., it's not surprising that some blacks do well as head coaches.
     
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  5. dwid

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    Yes many teams have offensive and defensive coordinators that run most of the show, there are some teams that have coaches that run more (I believe Bellicheck pretty much runs the show in NE, Sean Payton is head coach/offensive coordinator). Tomlin inherited a very talented team, Dungy would not have won the Superbowl without Peyton Manning, who practically was the offensive coordinator, as demonstrated by what the Colts have looked like without Manning. Dungy was supposed to be a defensive guru knowing the Tampa 2 etc. Colts never really had a dominate defense but he did when he was with Tampa, they fired him because he couldn't get them over the hump, Gruden came in and won the Superbowl shortly after. Those are the only two I am aware of that have won.

    speaking of tampa 2...what exactly does Mike Tomlin do? he started off as a db coach and then defensive coordinator, also specialized in the tampa 2, we all know Dick LeBeau runs the show for the Steelers and his defense is nothing like the Tampa 2, the opposite of it.

    Caldwell was a qb coach, no wonder he was in over his head once Manning was out this season. Most of the other guys were db coaches, Crennel was a dline coach.
     
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  6. Courtney from Alabama

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    Thanks Don! That answers a lot of my curiosities on the matter and makes a lot of sense. Keep up the good work and I am looking forward to hearing your take on the Summer Olympics this year! :smiley:
     
  7. white is right

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    I know historically Black coaches were initially "confined" to positional coaches ie Emlin Tunnell who was a defensive back coach and was the first modern Black coach. Many great players can be positional coaches if they can translate what they know about their position to ordinary NFL players. Even then some look lost and overwhelmed. For years Joe Greene was the Dolphins line coach and he was passed over for coordinator jobs because the Dolphins D-Line was among the weakest the AFC East year in and year out.
     
  8. Anak

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    Just a few quick thoughts on this: successful black coaches have landed in favorable situations. Tomlin inherited a Super Bowl winning team one year removed that only had a off year following Big Ben's motorcycle accident. I have not seen a black coach build a team from the bottom up to be a yearly contender(they might have fluke years like the Buccaneers).

    Dungy was hailed as a defensive guru but it was Monte Kiffen that designed the Tampa-2. In Indianapolis the Colts defense with Dungy was always terrible. The year they won the Super Bowl it is always said that the defense carried Manning in the post-season but that is totally false. Peyton Manning faced 3 elite defenses that year, the Bears, the Ravens and the Patriots when they were still a top 3 defense. Their defense only faced one competent offense which was the Patriots, and they gave up 34 points to them. It was Peyton Manning that was responsible for the greatest comeback in post season history that lead them to the Super Bowl against the Rex Grossman lead Bears.

    When Dungy retired he pushed the hapless Jim Caldwell on the Colts organization, this was a coach that had a losing record as a head coach at the college level, and was only a "quarterbacks coach" for the Colts. He did not develop Peyton Manning, to my knowledge he has only worked with 3rd string caliber players like Painter, he was not at all responsible for the high powered Colts offense, that was Peyton and Tom Moore, yet he was given the head coach job at Indianapolis. His first year they started the season 14-0 yet the Colts still had a terrible defense and special teams. That and his results this year lead me to believe that Tom Moore and Peyton Manning deserve the credit for all of his success.

    One thing I have noticed is that most if not all black NFL coaches are clueless on the sideline and incapable of making intelligent calculated risks. There are no great black coaches like Bill Belichick is a great coach. Most black coaches prove to be terrible, only Lovie Smith is any good, and he has unfairly screwed over a lot of White skill position players, although he was a lot fairer this year.
     
  9. Courtney from Alabama

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    Thanks for all the responses. This has really cleared up some curiosities that I have had for a long time. Sorry to use up this space for such a brief discussion but I didn't know how else to go about finding out. If I come up with any other points I will come back to this thread and continue things, and hopefully others will think of stuff to add as well. Thanks again!
     
  10. Mischling3rdDegree

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    I think we started the season with about 8 black HCs, so when two out of the 12 playoff teams have black HCs, that isn't much to brag about. (and they went 0-2 in the playoffs).
     
  11. Van_Slyke_CF

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    Mike Tomlin will never lead the Steelers back to the Super Bowl with most of Cowher's players gone after this season. To be fair, Tomlin shows more aptitude for the position than most of the token blacks picked in the past decade or so, but he will fail on his own with his players in the coming years.
     
  12. Colonel_Reb

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    Courtney from Alabama, I remember you from The Political Cesspool discussion room on the C of CC's website. Glad to have you here and am glad you have already had your question answered. Stick around!
     
  13. TheAnimal

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    Alot of good stuff already in this thread and alot of stuff I was ready to add but already covered so i'll cover a slightly different angle.

    One thing you'll notice with the NFL and when there is a hyped up black candidate waiting in the wings the pressure is put on the teams that have good rosters and a stockpile of talent. Many times those teams cave to pressure. Sometimes it works out like that hope, others not so much. A good example of it not working out is Minnesota, a situation Dungy and the rest of the "darken the head coaching position" figured was perfect. One year removed from being an interception away from a Superbowl with Childress operation bury Chilly and get the team to quit on him was underway. You'll notice as that was happening their hapless HC Leslie Frazier was being promoted in the media as a surefire franchise savior.

    Obviously it didn't work like they had hoped. For cases that worked out see Tomlin and Dungy. Tomlin took over a team juiced to the gills that was already at a high level and has just had to show up and reap the benefits. Likewise Dungy took over a team that was already built to win by Bill Polian and Jim Mora that also had the best QB since Otto Graham commanding it.

    Don is also correct on the black players playing harder for a brutha. One instance of a player admitting that recently was a former Bengal who admitted that the affletes basically blackmailed the ownership to fire Dick LeBeau and hire Marvin Lewis. They told the owner they wouldn't perform unless a brutha was in charge and were mailing it in. The owner caved and if we go back and look a 1-15 squad turned into a 12-4 squad or whatever it was. Ahh the benefits of having caste rosters, no?

    Here's one last thing I noticed the NFL doing and couldn't figure out why until recently. If you've been watching you've noticed as time goes by the NFL continues to regress the rules and has been on a crusade to minimize defensive play. Their goal is an NFL where the only way you win is with a good QB throwing the ball every play. Basically every team having to be built like the Colts of the past decade.

    If you don't think there are racial implications you are wrong. Alot if not most of the goal is to change the NFL to a point where all a black head coach will need is a good QB and a couple good pass catching threats to have success. Keep an eye out, i'm betting you'll see a shift to where the media and co put the pressure on teams that either have a franchise QB or are in position to grab one as the primary targets for their black coaching pool to take over.
     

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