arab influence in real madrid

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  1. Bk21

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    There are beautiful and ugly ppl everywhere, but hey, if you want to dip that low in your argumentation, it's up to you
     
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    and there were kind nazis too i guess? (just to show you how counterproductive your anti-racist comment was)

    anyway i don't want to derail this thread because you said that i "dip that low in my argumentation" but this thread is the only place on the internet where the benzema myth is exposed like this, nobody never addressed the marketing aspect of benzema and some other players from real madrid like i did, i have tons of proof,quotes, that you will only find here
    and finally it's payback time, while benzema was scoring last season i kept saying that it was nothing, because i knew what was happening behind the scenes
    now he has spent more than 13 hours on the fields whithout scoring and higuain is titular
    i'm the only one as far as i know who knew that mourinho didn't like benzema, and as a consequence i was the first to tell that he was not going to be a titular anymore this season
    i said this while benzema was at his top and everybody was worshipping him...but now everybody can see that i was right


    my name makes the benzema fanboys cry:
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    The faster you reach the Godwin's point the.. (..) Reductio ad Hitlerum nonsense
     
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    you know also that all strikers encouter poor scoring periods, like Benzema right now, and like, uh, take a look at your profile picture if you see what I mean, don't need to go further, Giroud is my fav' player too in EDF
     
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    you can't compare benzema and giroud because giroud was titular only 2 times for arsenal so far
    he just came to his new club, like every player he needs time to adapt to his new team mates and club
    benzema on the otherhand has been in real madrid forever, and he's just not a great goal scorer

    by the way "EDF" stands for "equipe de france" so you must say "french national team" here
     
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    for the first time to my knowledge, the french press asks why benzema suddenly became the number one striker at the start of the 2011-2012 season, while this season higuain is the number 1 again:

    http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Higuain-ne-fait-plus-la-mou/313085

    translation:
    why did mourinho change his idea so suddenly? probably because of higuain's great finishing, and his ability to break the defenses
    "el pais" (biggest newspaper in spain) has another answer: it would be because of zidane, who is no longer a member of the crew (he's now coaching the youth categories of real madrid)
    now that zidane is no longer in the crew, mourinho according to "el pais" would be free to put benzema on the bench"

    in my opinion zidane is no longer in the crew because mourinho is now more influent and perez (the president) has to accept what he asks
    so he asked to have higuain as the number 1 striker (but he accepted to use benzema as much as he can) and he asked to fire zidane
     
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    I was disappointed to see Benzema starting instead of Higuain in El Clasico. Benzema has already messed up two chances and we're still in the first half.
     
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    mourinho was under al ot of pressure lately, he was accused of having problems with marketing player ozil (in the latest match he insulted him and said him "so you think you're zidane?": http://www.intereconomia.com/noticias-/punto-pelota/mou-oezil-y-tu-te-crees-zidane-20121005 )

    and there he is now, playing with 3 arabs in the starting 11 vs barca
    it was obvious though that he benched higuain in the champions league match vs ajax a few days ago because he planned to make him a titular vs barcelona

    benzema's miss...when he only had to push the ball inside of the goal...when he lost his balance and fell while shooting...and the ball ended on the post...
    if he doesn't score in the second half and if barca doesn't lose, he'll be the one responsible for real madrid's failure to retain their title
    when he missed this easy goal the score was 1-0, he could have ended the match, but he missed it and now the score is even
     
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    here are the 2 misses you mentionned
    for some reason i didn't see the first one live:

    [video=youtube_share;I2P8dH9a-JQ]http://youtu.be/I2P8dH9a-JQ[/video]

    these are 2 unforgivable misses in such an important match

    it's early in the season but because of these misses real madrid has no hopes left to retain their title, an 8 points lead for barcelona is too much
    benzema will be the main responsible for real madrid's failure to retain their title
     
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    On the bright side all four goals were scored by Ronaldo and Messi, including a glorious free kick from the Argentine.:thumbup: There can be no doubt they are the top two players in the world.

    I don't want to pick on Pepe as he's a good player but what on earth was he doing on that first Messi goal?
     
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    here are benzema's stats with the french national team (goals/matches ratio):

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    compared with other famous french players

    benzema's stats are very mediocre
    he scores less than middlefielders, and he's close to the extremely mediocre winger wiltord

    in the french national team there is no real goalscorer right now, for example the top scorer at the qualifyers to the 2012 euro champs was gourcuff
    then during laurent blanc's spell as a coach, the top scorer was malouda
    while benzema was the undisputed titular as striker and "goalscorer"

    i really hope that he won't score against spain but i know that spain's defence is in bad shape
    so far benzema has spent 615 minutes whithout scoring with the french national team
     
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    for those who understand french:

    here's jean michel larqué talking about benzema in the french national team, it's from 2 days ago:

    [video=youtube_share;ULPuAlLbgxE]http://youtu.be/ULPuAlLbgxE[/video]

    and here's a debate about whether benzema cares about france or not:
    http://youtu.be/qNbORcLYrNU

    this debate happens because benzema said that "Algeria is MY country so France is only for sport":
    http://youtu.be/9axkK-B3zyY

    here he is with fellow arab nasri looking not very concerned during the french anthem:

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    higuain with argentina while benzema has now spent 700 minutes whithout scoring with france, and could lose his place in the starting 11:

    [video=youtube_share;pQ7-eMj8vIs]http://youtu.be/pQ7-eMj8vIs[/video]

    and they say that higuain only scores tap-ins...

    he's the top scorer of the south american qualifyers
     
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    Off course Benzema isn't a proud french guy. If in the future white french aren't the big majority anymore then they aren't proud anymore too becuase then they don't feel too like it is their country.For a proud countrie you can't have much cultural diversity.
     
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    waterbed, i'm happy to see you back

    in france patriotism exists but it's strange, for example a player like gourcuff, who's white and all, is he proud of being french? while france forced his ancestors to speak french,and the language of his ancestors was forbidden at school?
    i also know that the basques usually don't sing the national anthem (but deschamps sings it while he's basque)
    usually french people don't really care about france but are more about their region
    other examples are lemaitre the sprinter
     
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    Frederic, Thank you nice to hear bro.

    I didn't know french aren´t much patriotic, interesting.
    Because of storys I heard about french radio stations have to play some % of francais chansons and other things I tought they were.
    But france has lot of regions off course with differnent history.
    Here you have a bit that in the very north Friesland they talk a differnt language and think they are scandinavians or so lol and under the 3 rivers Waal ,maas and the Rijn they feel a bit differnent and always were Catholic not Protestant like north europe; the Romans didn´t know how well how to escape the rivers.
     
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    i would say that french are so inward looking that they don't even care that much about the country as a whole under normal circumstances, we care more about the region, even the cities
    in my grandparent's times, if you were from a village you couldn't understand somebody from another village a few km away, because there were different words and different accent

    we feel french when we are attacked, for example you mentioned the music, it's because in france we felt like there were too many cultural products from USA (music, food, cinema) so we felt invaded

    here are some parts of an article which says a lot about french mentality: (it's about rugby) http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2006/feb/05/features.sport11
    (note: Philippe Saint-Andre is from my region, and bourgoin is the club in which my family used to be involved)





    "France play best when beset by paranoia, when they believe the world has conspired against them and that there is no hope other than to rise up in revolt against the oppressor"
    i think that it's what happened a few days ago in the france-spain soccer match
    at half time the coach and the players were very upset because they thought that the referee was unfair to france, and at the end of the match the players said things like "nobody thought it was posible", "we silenced the doubters" ect

    the same happened in 1998, when france won the coach said 10 minutes after the final whistle that he would "never forgive" the media who was very critical of the french team

    this article is about rugby so it's mainly about the south of france, but there it's not very different in the north either, see this movie for example: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1064932/

    that's one of the reasons why the "service militaire" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription ) was mandatory in france, to make people from different areas come together and speak together while their languages were different: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Langues_de_la_France.svg

    that's why your phrase:
    looked strange for me when speaking about france
     
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    there are rumours about benzema leaving real madrid
    they say that they would want to buy a new striker, and higuain would stay because mourinho wants him more

    there are rumours about PSG being very interested in benzema
    some articles in france are mentionning that PSG want benzema because he's arab, for the marketing of the club

    for example:
    http://www.foot-sur7.fr/2012/10/22/transfert-benzema-au-psg-falcao-a-madrid/Foot-Sur-7

    it's the second time that there are rumours of PSG being interested in benzema
    they also wanted feghouli, and taarabit, other arabs

    obviously the PSG suporters don't want him, because they can see how bad he is in the french national team, and they know that they have enough money to buy tier 1 strikers
    they already have ibrahimowicz who's better and plays in the exact same position as benzema
     
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    legendary french striker jean pierre papin said on a radio show that he was very surprised by the way benzema plays, he said that he tried to take the ball low on the pitch like cristiano ronaldo and dribble past many defenders, while benzema can't do that, he said

    he said that olivier giroud has to play instead of benzema if france plays with 2 wingers (menez/valbuena and ribery)

    i also came accross this article in french: http://leplus.nouvelobs.com/contrib...dangereuse-instrumentalisation-politique.html

    it's about a comment from jean marie le pen (far right) saying that PSG was no longer french (i don't agree, because they are as french as the other clubs)
    the guy answers that yes, PSG will buy an arab player for the marketing, and he fails to see how this is a problem
    he says that "he will add his talent to the team"
    but no, a marketing player doesn't bring any talent to the team, it's the definition of a marketing player, he only plays because of his ethnicity, not because of his talent
    he says that today you have to play with an african player for the african public, an asian player for the asian market ect

    another problem is that some players are in a big club only because of their ethnicity, so they are going to be called in the national team, taking a place from a white player
    in france we have many arabs who play in big clubs for the marketing: benzema, nasri, ben arfa, even feghouli and many others who chose to play internationally for algeria
    also we have many players who are token black players in some top clubs (abidal was an obvious one, makelele too, maybe evra and many others)

    abidal is both a very faithul muslim and a black player: he's the perfect marketing player, he just needs to pretend that he has ancestors from asia
    (maybe that's why ribery pretended to have an asian ancestor? :nerd:since bayern munchen are one of the only german clubs to have 0 asian player)

    AC milan has their official website available in arab, and bayern munchen in japanese and chinese :icon_surprised:
    so it's obvious to see which league targets the asian market and which club targets the arab market more
     
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    Yep, United gets rid of Park and brings in the Japanese player, whose name escapes me at the moment.
     
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    Kagawa-but to honest,he's not your typical quota palyer in the sense that he is talented and was part(an important part I'm told) of the title winnig Dortmund team.
     
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    as i posted in this thread before, real madrid sent lassana diarra in russia, and they immediatly bought essien (with the outcry by some former real madrid players, like guti: http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...in-real-madrid?p=257813&viewfull=1#post257813 )

    also when abidal couldn't play anymore for barcelona they bought song

    like i said about the asian players in another thread ( http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...League-2012-13?p=261208&viewfull=1#post261208 ) you can be a good player and still be overrated
    i only saw kagawa play once, it was with the japanese national team in a friendly match, so i can't judge him, but i'm 100% sure that he's overrated
     
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    Well,regarding Kagawa,I won't deny he is overrated or the fact that he is there in manchester to fill a quota-as he was in the Bundesliga in the first place.
    And in case I made it look like I was defending Kagawa in the first place,that is not what I was trying to do.
    Kagawa has no reason to be in Europe!
     
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    higuain had 2 goals in yersteday's match against mallorca, and 2 assists

    beatiful goals:
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuo8ym_mallorca-vs-real-madrid-0-3-28-10-2012-ourmatch-net_sport

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xuo7li_mallorca-vs-real-madrid-0-1-28-10-2012-ourmatch-net_sport

    it seems that he's back to his best shape: in this match he had 2 shots, 2 goals
    benzema didn't even came in after his disapointing match in champions league against dortmund

    so far, higuain has 7 goals overall (6 in la liga) and benzema 3 (1 in la liga)
     
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    Good news for Real Madrid fans: Benzema won't be playing against Borussia Dortmund in Champions League this week. He's out with a thigh injury so presumably Higuain will take his place. Real lost with Benzema two weeks ago.
     

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