Another Fixed Win For St. Joe Gibbs

Discussion in 'Washington Redskins' started by bigunreal, Jan 10, 2006.

  1. bigunreal

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    Anyone watching last weekend's Tampa Bay-Washington game saw a classic example of how NFL games are fixed. Really, most games can be controlled by the officials, and in this case, two crucial miscalls were all that was necessary to hand the Redskins a completely undeserved victory. Call one occurred when Clinton Portis clearly fumbled the ball and Tampa Bay recovered. However, even though replays showed that Portis's knee hadn't hit the ground before the ball came loose (which even the ovetly pro-Redskin broadcastingteam couldn't deny), the Redskins kept the ball because of an "inadvertent whistle." This inadvertent whistle nonsense is one of the ways in which officials control games. Just think about it; if the whistle was "inadvertent," and the play went on (which it always does in such cases, as apparently the players don't hear or at least don't respond to it), then that is by definition a mistake on the part of the referee. Yet this mistake isn't corrected by the vaunted Instant Replay system, and the fumble is disallowed. "Inadvertent whistles" almost always occur when the team that is supposed to win fumbles the ball in a crucial situation, and the other team recovers it. In this case, the Redskins went on to score a touchdown. So, right there you have 7 points for the Redskins that would not have been scored had a correct call been made by the officials.


    The second critical miscall was even more blatant. Chris Simms threw a beautiful, perfect bomb to Ledell Shepherd, who caught the ball for the game-tying TD. But the official ruled the pass incomplete. I wonder if those of you who watched the WR clearly hold the ball long enough for a completion were as amazed as I was to hear Joe Theismann and companyinstantly claiming thatthe ball was "coming out" and was an incompletion. Then, they come up with a never-before-heard-of rule about howsince the receiver was still "in the process of beingtackled,"the ball coming out resulted in an incompletion. Uh...okay. Funny howTheismann and company knew about this unknown rule,and thought the right call wasmade. Thiskind of made-up-on-the-spot rule is not one of the primary ways officials fix games, but it is used once in awhile. I guess thiswas the only way they could think of tonegate the touchdown. At any rate, you won't hear about this previously unheard of ruleagain for quitesome time, if ever.It reminds me of the previously unheard of rule against spiking the ball on the field of play, which was called against a Chicago Bear WR in their 1977 playoff game against theCowboys. It negated a big play, and I have only seen it called a few times inall the years since. What's funny about that isthe fact I've seen countless players before and since spike the ball in just the same manner on the field of play, without any penalty. The jock-sniffers in the media never seem to notice, but then again they are paid not to notice such things.


    Anyhow, it is clear that the Redskins are the "chosen" team right now. If they don't go on to the Super Bowl, I will be very surprised. I hope I'm wrong (which I could easily be- these "scripts" are not always that obvious), but I think the "magic" is back for St. Joe Gibbs. Regardless of which teams win and advance in the playoffs, I firmly believe the outcomes are preordained by the league. As I've said before, EVERYONE involved with pro football admits that holding can be called on EVERY play. Okay, if that's true, then why isn't it called on every play? Or, why is it called at all? If it's true, don't teams who lose a big play or a TD because of this penalty have a right to complain? Pass interference is almost as undefined as holding and is used just as arbitrarily to control the outcomes of games. The term "incidental contact" was invented (but never clearly or consistently defined) for the announcers to throw outto the unthinking masses in cases where a defender clearly hit the receiver before the ball got there, just like "irrefutable evidence" was a term coined to use, on an entirely inconsistent basis, to explain why certain obvious errors were not overturned by the officials.


    I know not everyone accepts this particular conspiracy theory of mine, and that it has little to do with the Caste System in general, but I'm still pretty ticked off about the Tampa Bay game, and wanted to rant.
     
  2. backrow

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    oh man, don't even get me started on Tampa's loss to Redskins... so many questionable calls... my Bucs lost om some very questionable plays... long pass to Edell Shepherd, which he was in possesion off clearly for 2 steps... fumbles by Portis and another one uncalled(one of which Rice returned for a TD)... fumble by Williams which was recovered by a guy who was touched! on the ground...

    i don't know if it's a conspiracy or just reak bad day for refs... either way, Buccaneers got screwed over
     
  3. sport historian

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    If results are "preordained by the league," why didn't McNabb's Eagles win the Super Bowl over Brady's Patriots last year? As I wrote last year, there is much more to be gained by winning than there would be by "taking a dive."
     
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    I remember in the 80's when the Redskins were getting beat by the 49'ers late in the 4th quarter of a playoff game. The refs called 3 or 4 penalties on the 49'er defense and allowed the Redskins to work their way down the field. Then when the Redskins couldn't get close enough for a field goal the refs helped them some more. The flags always came on 3rd down. Mark Mosely was having a terrible game and the refs helped the Skin's get inside the 5 yard line to ensure Mosely made the kick. Bill Walsh was one pissed off coach after the game. Anyone remember that game?
     
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    I hope all this conspiracy talk about the Nfl is not true because it wouldn't be worth watching anymore if it was.
     
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    It barely is worth it now to me! I know my dad watches the NFL only for Peyton and Eli, two guys with Mississippi connections. He watches very little college football either. I watch some NFL, but mostly college, where I can see white players getting the ball more.
     
  7. guest301

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    I know the feeling Colonel Reb. I am a lifelong dallas cowboy fan, probably always will be. But the innoncence I felt as a youth rooting for them and looking up to them is long gone. That was long before I realized about the caste system. It's all the more sad if the games are fixed.
     
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    I don't doubt that some haven't been fixed over the years, but I doubt that it is something that is prevalent week in and week out.
     
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    I agree. If you are caught, there would be so much hell to pay for doing it. Billions of dollars are at stake.
     
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    I've also witnessed many many players spike the ball on the field
    without any flags thown just as you mentioned. I've waited to the
    resultant " Delay of game" penalty but it never comes.
    Interesting. And yes the pass from Simms was a completion and
    touchdown. The Bucs were had the play stolen from them by the
    officials.
     
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    The " Innocence " you speak of was something I reveled in as a
    youth. I followed my team (The Chargers) at the time and knew
    each player, their stats, etc. I also knew the opposing teams,
    numbers, players and the like. That of course was before free
    agency. As someone has said its about " rooting for a uniform"
    with all the player changes. The NFL has morphed so completely
    that it is another idea alltogether from its enception. It
    used to be a test of fortitude, will and leadership. Today
    we have quarterblacks with speaker systems in their helmets.
    Plays that come from " Upstairs" and coaches for every aspect of the
    game. Yes there are a few " throw backs" but by and large its a
    glorified professional wrestling match. No wonder Vince McMahan
    thought he could do the same with the XFL.
     
  12. Cassiodorus

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    We'll know the league is "fixed" when Vick wins a Super Bowl.
     
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    The "innocence" is what I miss most about sports Renaissance Man. I also used to know every stat, hometown and college of every cowboy, maverick and texas ranger that were there at the time. I reveled in it. But the innocence is long gone. I love the olympics and rooting for the USA but even that is tarnished when I am suppossed to root for the arrogant, individualistic latest version of the nba dream team beat a bunch of foreigners. It's real hard for me to do. I enjoyed watching the Italians and Argentinians beating them in the world championships last year. Maybe if they put a couple of white team oriented white players like Kirk Hinrich, Brad Miller, etc...along with team oriented black americans like Micheal Finley, Kevin Garnett and such. Maybe , just maybe I could root for them again.
     
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    What is the agenda of fixing the game for the Skins? Or any game for that matter? The only thing that would matter, outside of a private NFL-wide conspiracy to promote black quarterbacks, is covering the spread.

    Without instant replay many of these plays would not matter and would stand regardless.

    Many of the refs are merely incompetent, not corrupt, and there has always been a different level of play permitted in playoff games.

    I had never heard of the tuck rule before the Pats-Raiders game.

    I had never heard that a receiver had to hold onto the ball while being tackled in the endzone for it to be considered a touchdown, either. If a running back simply has to have the ball touch the goal line to score, a receiver should only have to maintain possession with both feet in bounds. But the NFL Competition Committee apparently changed the rule to the more strict rule in use right now during the off-season.

    I don't believe NFL games are 'fixed,' but ask me about the NBA. Thats another story~!![​IMG]
     
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    There are many logical reasons for the NFL to fix games. The simplest would be for further financial gain. The league promotes "line spreads" and there are obviously a whole lot of people who bet on games this way. If the league, in conjunction with organized crime, for instance, knows the outcomes ahead of time, it would be easy for them to send their minions to place large bets on the teams that they know will win. Another reason to fix games is cultural. Why should a huge business like the NFL be any different from all other powerful forces in Don King's America? In this way, if someteam ever bucked the Caste System and fielded a majority-white team, or merely one with asuperstar white RB, then the leaguewould have a vested cultural interest in making certain that team never won a Super Bowl. Of course,since it is almost a certainty thatno team will everdo that again, the league doesn't even have to worry about this aspect of the "fix."


    I think the most probable reason for the "fix" is simply because they can do it. The forces that misrule America obviously run pro sports. Their power is almost absolute, yet they seem to have an insatiable appetite for more. Pro football is a huge, huge industry in Don King's America. I don't think that those who want to control everything in this country would leave out such an enormous source of wealth, and one that is so important to millions of Americans. Finally, those who question why the players, coaches, journalists, etc. would allow the games to be fixed need to look at the reason we are all here. Every one of us acknowledge that the most highly competitive men in our society, whose jobs revolve around winning these contests, are consciously deciding every season to cut talented players and to bench even more talented players, while replacing them with less talented players, all because of racial discimination. We all acknowledge that the "journalists" who cover sports consciously refuse to address this issue. So, if all these coaches, general managers, journalists and owners are willing to give their team less of a chance to win because of a non-football issue, why would we think they would care if the games themselves are rigged? They're all paid outrageous sums of money, and get the best benefits imaginable. The Caste System proves that the NFL (and the NCAA, if not many large high school programs) have no integrity. I don't have any doubts that NFL games are fixed.
     
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    As for why they'd fix it for the Redskins, one of the primary beneficiaries of these fixed games has been the "legendary" coach. Whether it's Gibbs, Parcells or guys like Larry Brown and Phil Jackson, the jock-sniffers in the media love to promote certain "genius" coaches and wildly exaggerate their influence over teams. The reason I named Joe Gibbs "Saint Joe" is because of his almost supernatural ability to win games, for over a decade, that he had no business winning. The game last weekend was just one such game. Nobody has that kind of luck, for as long as the Saint has had. It just isn't possible. The Redskins have become "chosen" again because Joe Gibbs is their coach again. They are fixing games more for him than they are for the Redskins.
     
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    But do they realize that they're giving their teams less of a chance to win? Or are they too biased and/or stupid to see how good the white players are? It may be hard for us to believe how blind these people are; we see the white players' talent so clearly. It's so obvious. I really don't think most of these jerks can see it. The stereotype of the slow, stiff white athlete is so ingrained that a coach (media clown, rabid fan, GM, owner, etc.) will simply look at a white player and instinctively "know" that he's not as good as his black counterparts.
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  18. Lord_Lugdreg

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    Well in this certain case then wouldn't it be better for the NFL (or whoever) to fix it so that the Giants win??... afterall New York is the Largest Media Market in the US and so one would want the large number of New Yorkers tuning into the Superbowl.

    I certainly believe that some games are fixed, but I just am not so sure about this particular one is all.

    Ya' know ever since Parcells made that remark about 'Jap Plays' he has been on the losing end of things, maybe The Powers That Be want him to lose now over that and are favoring Gibbs since he attempted to 'diversify' Nascar.
     

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