Andrew Golota is back!

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Looks like Andrew needs money again. I've lost all respect for him. He has screwed Polish people over so many times it's sickening. He needs to find another way to make money.

Werewolf, I'll tell you one thing though. He did beat Ruiz and Byrd and should have been champ. Guess who the one judge who screwed him in the Byrd fight was? Racist black judge Melvina Lathan who scored it for Byrd.
 
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Yeah, Andrew definitely won those fights. He did embarass us with his quitting against Tyson and freezing against Lewis. Too bad as he really had the physical tools.

Maybe this is a one-off with fellow Pole Saleta.
 

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Looks like Andrew needs money again. I've lost all respect for him. He has screwed Polish people over so many times it's sickening. He needs to find another way to make money.

Werewolf, I'll tell you one thing though. He did beat Ruiz and Byrd and should have been champ. Guess who the one judge who screwed him in the Byrd fight was? Racist black judge Melvina Lathan who scored it for Byrd.


You got that right. He beat both Ruiz and Byrd fair and square with no monkey business at all, and he was robbed by not only that crooked negress judgette but also by the crooked and incompetant (Jewish?) referee Randy Neuman who even ignored several knockdowns of Byrd.

Neuman was a constant, always in there blatantly harrassing Golota. What I didn't understand was why Golota's team never objected to having that ******* always getting assigned to ref his fights - or were they in the business of sabotaging their own man?

You know, the only honest announcer was George Foreman, and I clearly remember how irate he was getting when Neuman was harrassing Golota in the Grant fight - and that was another one of Golota's exceeding weird and crooked fights too. I believe that the Polish Mafiya made him throw that one. More weird ones were the Lewis fight. I'm sure he was doped up for that one. Then the Tyson fight - or whatever it was - which I had been looking forward to. And of course the Bowe fights - talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

More weird fights from this guy than everybody else all put together. I don't think we know the truth about what really happened in these fights.
 
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Andrew Golota Comeback? Lol, wow here we go again!

Seriously though, I don't expect this comeback to go anywhere. Golota's best days are way behind him (late 90's, early 00's), and at this point I just hope he doesn't take any beatings. Of course, its his life and his career, so his choice. As long as he doesn't get too badly beat up, this should be fine.

Personally, I'm a ***HUGE*** Andrew Golota fan and I love watching his fights, so even though he's very old and I don't expect him to go far in this comeback, I'll be rooting for him!

I just think Andrew Golota is god damn awesome. He's actually one of my favourite fighters of past years. Yea, he got KO'd badly against Lewis and yes he quit VS Tyson, but hey, no one is perfect in life. Golota had some very bad performances, but he also had some very good performances throughout his career (Bowe fights, Byrd, Ruiz). In fact, the only thing consistent about Golota was the fact that he is inconsistent!

I remember watching his fight with Mike Mollo, I think in about 2007 or 2008, not sure the date, but that was an awesome fight. And I remember that was a very physical fight and Golota's eye was swollen shut, but Golota hanged tough and had a big round 12 to win a decision. I was really impressed with Golota's heart that night, and that fight really stands out as a memory of his career.

Golota's problems in his career were all mental. Physically, he was amazing, power, speed was all there. His ability to take a punch was at times questionable and his mentality was not there. In his personal life, he once impersonated a police officer in Chicago and was criminally charged for that. Lol, I think that's kind of funny. Another time in Poland, he beat up a guy at a nightclub, stripped his clothes and threw him in a dumpster. That's actually fact and I'm not even kidding about that, it's been documented.

Golota had a very turbulent personal life. I believe he also went through a number of divorces during his career.

Being a boxing fan for over 15 years, there's been some real "characters" in this sport, Andrew Golota is right up there as one of the most colourful guys in boxing. Just a very interesting guy!

Never had anywhere close to the class or skill of the Klitschko's (who are alltime greats, among the greatest of alltime), but hey, not everyone's perfect, and all things considered I thought Golota was pretty damn awesome!

Looking back on it... Golota VS Vitali or Wlad would have been interesting fights back in say 2000-2004, or 2006-2008. Obviously you would have strongly favoured either Klitschko in those fights. But it would have been cool to see Golota VS Vitali, as I recall back in 2004ish there was even some discussion of these 2 fighting... but it never happened. Too late now...

Anyways, I am a HUGE Golota fan and always will be! I just think he's awesome.
 
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Golota had talent and management in the beginning of his career with Lou Duva. I remember in the early 90s on the USA Network, on Tuesday night fights. Golota was going up against a hard test affelet. Golota had his guy on ropes was about to KO him when his opponet's old manager ran across the ropes and attempted to choke out Golota. LOL

Then the 1st Bowe fight, where he was disqualified, gets cracked over the head with a cell phone by one of Bowe's negro hangers on.

It seems that every fight with Golota something wierd or fishy happened. During his career he was too dumb to let himself be used and settled for poor management and trainers. He should have stuck with Duva or got someone like Roach or Bloodworth.
 

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My friend told me today he saw an interview with Golota regarding this upcoming fight. Golota was slurring his speech and it seems as he has a lot of brain damage.
 

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Golota's problems in his career were all mental.

I agree with that. I sometimes wonder had he been in his prime AFTER the myth of black heavy weight boxing supremacy had been exploded by the Klitschkos and their contemporaries, how well he would have done. Lewis vs. Vitali Klitschko was a watershed moment, certainly. And was the beginning of the end of the dominance of blacks in the HW ranks.

Boxing is massively psychological. Boxers loose fights in training all the time because deep down (subconsciously) they don't believe they can win. I wonder if some of Golota's self-defeating tendencies, along with the self-defeating tendencies of countless other white boxers, at there root had to do with an ingrained sense of racial inferiority. He didn't have many encouraging role models coming up (i.e. white heavyweight belt holders).

I also thought Tommy Morrison could have developed, potentially, and had a much better career. And that would have been amazing from a psychological perspective, considering that he was a White AMERICAN. Of course, then there was that whole, bizarre AIDs episode.
 

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"Golota's problems in his career were all mental."


Maybe...but there is a whole lot of suspicious stuff.

The head of the Polish Mafiya, a guy who called himself Pershing, was staying with him in his Colorado training camp for the Grant fight, and then right after the weird fight "Pershing" went back to Poland where he was promptly bumped off. Golota attended his mob funeral. Suspicious, no? Lots of suspicious stuff in Mr G's resume.

Polish `mafia boss' gunned down at ski resort


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/polish-mafia-boss-gunned-down-at-ski-resort-1130845.html



Golota-Grant, Nov 1999

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH0cpeenHNc

Golota was ahead on all cards, Then he got knocked down in round ten, got up... and quit.
 
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My friend told me today he saw an interview with Golota regarding this upcoming fight. Golota was slurring his speech and it seems as he has a lot of brain damage.



That's sad - and this upcoming fight will probably be sad too.
 

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I agree with that. I sometimes wonder had he been in his prime AFTER the myth of black heavy weight boxing supremacy had been exploded by the Klitschkos and their contemporaries, how well he would have done. Lewis vs. Vitali Klitschko was a watershed moment, certainly. And was the beginning of the end of the dominance of blacks in the HW ranks.

Boxing is massively psychological. Boxers loose fights in training all the time because deep down (subconsciously) they don't believe they can win. I wonder if some of Golota's self-defeating tendencies, along with the self-defeating tendencies of countless other white boxers, at there root had to do with an ingrained sense of racial inferiority. He didn't have many encouraging role models coming up (i.e. white heavyweight belt holders).

Gibbon, I believe Golota himself began to expose the black myth of boxing superiority in his first fight with Bowe. He was giving a prime Bowe a severe beatdown. Then for no apparent reason began to flaggarantly low blow Bowe, thus, getting disqualified. Then all hell broke loose in the area and ring. Fights in the area and ring where Golota got hit by the cell phone. It was Golota who showed the world that Euro heavies were better and opened the door to what we have now.
 

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I've never been much of a Golota fan, mainly because he disappointed me too many times and he seemed to lack the decisive KO power that the Klitschkos have.

For example, a common opponent of Wlad and Golota was Danell Nicholson. Wlad KOed him easily, but Golota couldn't knock him down even though he pounded him round after round (Nicholson finally quit in a later round).

People believe Golota was very talented because of the beatings he gave to Bowe. But I think Bowe was very overrated and in his prime would have been stopped by a top heavyweight like either Klitschko (and he was stopped by Lewis at the 1988 Olympics).
 
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I agree with that. I sometimes wonder had he been in his prime AFTER the myth of black heavy weight boxing supremacy had been exploded by the Klitschkos and their contemporaries, how well he would have done. Lewis vs. Vitali Klitschko was a watershed moment, certainly. And was the beginning of the end of the dominance of blacks in the HW ranks.

Boxing is massively psychological. Boxers loose fights in training all the time because deep down (subconsciously) they don't believe they can win. I wonder if some of Golota's self-defeating tendencies, along with the self-defeating tendencies of countless other white boxers, at there root had to do with an ingrained sense of racial inferiority. He didn't have many encouraging role models coming up (i.e. white heavyweight belt holders).

I also thought Tommy Morrison could have developed, potentially, and had a much better career. And that would have been amazing from a psychological perspective, considering that he was a White AMERICAN. Of course, then there was that whole, bizarre AIDs episode.

Very interesting points that you bring up here.

I absolutely agree with you that boxing is massively psychological. Confidence is an absolute must in this sport. You can't go into a fight with confidence issues, or self-defeatism, because you ***will*** lose. Golota's lack of confidence I do feel contributed to his losses. I also feel self defeatism on part of many white Americans explains why Europeans are so successful and regularly beat Negroes in boxing, but white Americans don't.

However, I agree with what Carcharias notes above, which is that also physically, Golota's power was good but not great, he's also not as fast as the Klitschko Brothers, Lewis, even the recent Sultan Ibragimov for example. So, what I'm saying is that Golota's physicals were good, but not quite championship level. This also contributed to his losses.

Last but not least, I'm a huge Golota fan and I fully support him, but I have to admit the guy has some mental issues. You just need to look at his personal life (numerous arrests, bar fights, strange stories) to see that. He deserves a lot of respect, but the truth is also that he has quit in numerous fights and that's simply his personality. In a tough fight, he will quit, regardless of the race of his opponent.

I also think in a Vitali/Golota fight say in 2004... Would have went a few rounds, but I think you would have seen Golota take a beating and eventually quit.

One final point, which is that don't forget, Europeans didn't truly start competing in pro boxing since the mid1990's. Since the 1990's I would argue that European whites have been the most successful race in all of boxing. Negro Blacks became "world champions" by defeating an extremely small talent pool, of mostly white Americans, white British, and other black Americans. Had Europeans been truly competing in the 50's, 60's, 70's, many Negro Americans in my opinion would have lost to better European fighters.

If you follow amateur boxing, you'd know that even in the 1970's there were killer Russian teams that routinely beat Negroes from the States, just as you see in the pro game today. Unfortunately these Russians in the 70's never went pro. But imagine if they did. You'd be seeing a lot less black champions of the past!
 
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Golota had talent and management in the beginning of his career with Lou Duva. I remember in the early 90s on the USA Network, on Tuesday night fights. Golota was going up against a hard test affelet. Golota had his guy on ropes was about to KO him when his opponet's old manager ran across the ropes and attempted to choke out Golota. LOL

Lmao, that is absolutely hilarious.

That's what I love about Golota, he's always involved in these type of fights. So much drama and controversy. Lol, if you wanna see something really hilarious, notice in his fight with John Ruiz, Ruiz's trainer Norman Stone. At one point Stone ****ed his fist at Golota's trainer in the fight like he was going to punch him. After swearing at the referee Randy Neuman many times, Stone was thrown out of the fight.

Norman Stone is a whole other bag of "lol"!!! :)
 
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I've never been much of a Golota fan, mainly because he disappointed me too many times

I understand what you mean and yes Golota has disappointed in his biggest fights. But no one is perfect and I won't fault him personally for that. The Klitschko's are amazing, but not everyone is amazing in life. And I admire Golota for his persistance, personality, and persona.

The Klitschko's have routinely slaughtered Negroes and thats amazing. Golota didn't quite do that, but I thought he was awesome anyway. His losses were bad, but he also had some good points.

I like Golota because he's so "out there" and he just has an awesome personality.

He seemed to lack the decisive KO power that the Klitschkos have.

For example, a common opponent of Wlad and Golota was Danell Nicholson. Wlad KOed him easily, but Golota couldn't knock him down even though he pounded him round after round (Nicholson finally quit in a later round).

People believe Golota was very talented because of the beatings he gave to Bowe. But I think Bowe was very overrated and in his prime would have been stopped by a top heavyweight like either Klitschko (and he was stopped by Lewis at the 1988 Olympics).

Agree with what you say 100%, no question that physically he didn't come close to matching either Klitschko in any department (speed, movement, power).
 

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Very interesting points that you bring up here.

I absolutely agree with you that boxing is massively psychological. Confidence is an absolute must in this sport. You can't go into a fight with confidence issues, or self-defeatism, because you ***will*** lose. Golota's lack of confidence I do feel contributed to his losses. I also feel self defeatism on part of many white Americans explains why Europeans are so successful and regularly beat Negroes in boxing, but white Americans don't.

However, I agree with what Carcharias notes above, which is that also physically, Golota's power was good but not great, he's also not as the Klitschko Brothers, Lewis, even the recent Sultan Ibragimov for example. So, what I'm saying is that Golota's physicals were good, but not quite championship level. This also contributed to his losses.

Last but not least, I'm a huge Golota fan and I fully support him, but I have to admit the guy has some mental issues. You just need to look at his personal life (numerous arrests, bar fights, strange stories) to see that. He deserves a lot of respect, but the truth is also that he has quit in numerous fights and that's simply his personality. In a tough fight, he will quit, regardless of the race of his opponent.

I also think in a Vitali/Golota fight say in 2004... Would have went a few rounds, but I think you would have seen Golota take a beating and eventually quit.

One final point, which is that don't forget, Europeans didn't truly start competing in pro boxing since the mid1990's. Negro Blacks became "world champions" by defeating an extremely small talent pool, of mostly white Americans, white British, and other black Americans. Had Europeans been truly competing in the 50's, 60's, 70's, many Negro Americans in my opinion would have lost to better European fighters.

If you follow amateur boxing, you'd know that even in the 1970's there were killer Russian teams that routinely beat Negroes from the States, just as you see in the pro game today.
Yes I have stated this in numerous posts that the heavyweight championship of the world became controlled by Black fighters because virtually nobody else fought for it. Aside from England who until recently only produced one large heavyweight that was White(Bugner), only tiny South Africa had anybody competing against American Blacks. It's not shocking that once the sport became international that American Blacks are now a small fringe factor in the sport. It's almost the reverse of the 70's with Black prospects being viewed as suspects more than prospects by knowledgeable fans. The DWF types still believe that Mike Tyson clones can save the divison.........:lol:
 
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Yes I have stated this in numerous posts that the heavyweight championship of the world became controlled by Black fighters because virtually nobody else fought for it. Aside from England who until recently only produced one large heavyweight that was White(Bugner), only tiny South Africa had anybody competing against American Blacks. It's not shocking that once the sport became international that American Blacks are now a small fringe factor in the sport. It's almost the reverse of the 70's with Black prospects being viewed as suspects more than prospects by knowledgeable fans. The DWF types still believe that Mike Tyson clones can save the divison.........:lol:

I'm glad someone else shares my viewpoint. :)

American Negro Boxers from the past (Ali, Frazier, Ray Leonard, Ray Robinson, etc) had it easy in the sense that they only mainly fought white Americans, white British, or other Negroes. They never fought any Russians, Armenians, Ukrainians, Romanians, Germans, Kazakhs etc.

To illustrate my point: One time I saw on ESPN Classic a boxing match between Donny Lalonde (white) and Sugar Ray Leonard ("great" Negro from the past), from the 1980's I think. Ray Leonard won by KO over Lalonde in the 9th. It was one of Leonard's greatest wins. Lalonde only had about 15 amateur fights. He was the best white fighter of his time in that weight class. That tells me the level of opposition in those times was piss-poor. A guy with 15 amateur fights would get nowhere today, and Russians, Kazakhs, Germans, Romanians etc come with 300+ amateur fights. Do you understand the difference in competitive level? Thats a joke. And thats the type of fighters Negroes of the past fought. No disrespect meant to Lalonde, but he wouldn't even make a top50 guy today. But in the 1980's he was seen as a credible challenger and the best white fighter in his weightclass. Clearly, the competitive level in the 1980's was far lower.

There was very limited international competition in those days. So calling these Negroes "World Champions" is stretching the truth. The reality is that they were champions of a small talent pool that basically concerned USA and Britain, and that was all. Yes there was the odd German, one or two, or maybe the odd Italian here and there. But in no way was boxing as internationally competitive in the 50's, 60's, 70's, and even 80's as it is today.

People today are delusional when they say the heavyweight division is lacking. Actually, the heavyweight division today is better than it ever has been, and that is demonstrated numerically in terms of the actual amount of fighters today which is larger than ever before, and its also more internationally competitive. There is a larger talent pool both in terms of the number of fighters, as well as the nationality of fighters.

So for Wlad Klitschko to be a champ today, in my opinion is a greater accomplishment than someone being a champ in the 70's or 80's. Reason why is because there is more competition today than ever before. For example:

- In Joe Louis's time, there was maybe a couple hundred (300 or 400) active professional HW boxers (mainly all American or British, with some exceptions).
- In Wlad Klitschko's time, today, there is roughly 1,200 active professional HW boxers and they come from all over N America, S America, Africa and Europe. So in terms of sheer numbers, Klitschko's talent pool is larger, its also more competitive in terms of being diverse. Looking at these numbers, Klitschko's accomplishment vastly outweighs Negroes from the past.
* This info can all be verified by Boxrec

Interesting note: Since European whites started competing in the mid1990s at a good level, also correlates to the exact time when Negroes started losing their ground in the sport. White Europeans, I would say, are the most successful race in boxing from year 2000 onwards to today. Which is amazing and you imagine how different history would be had they competed in the earlier years.

Many black American champs from the past would have lost to better European fighters if those Europeans had went pro. Europeans only started going pro regularly in the mid 1990's.
 
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Great discussion.

Though I wasn't contending that with the right mentality Golota would have been a Klitschko. But who knows, maybe an Ibragimov, Chagaev or even a Povetkin? But in any case, much better than he turned out. There is almost a whole class of Eastern European fighters that we can point to, who handled their career much better than Golota but were not in every instance, innately his physical superior. And they emerged onto the international scene AFTER Golota's prime. Perhaps emboldened, inspired, led spiritually, on a subconscious level, by the Klitschkos.

Sure, some of these boxers are faster, some are stronger. But at that level, when both the requisite strength and speed is present, the real skill seems to be in maximizing ones strengths in the ring and minimizing one's weakness. Is Vladimir Klitschko innately (genetically) the fastest boxer in the Heavy Weight division, black or white? Is he innately the most powerful? He's the best boxer, certainly, by a wide margin. That we can say safely. And certainly has many wonderful innate gifts but certainly, also, he's maximized them as much as any fighter before him. The discipline and strength of will of both brothers is truly astonishing.

It's true that many European boxers were not competing internationally until relatively recently. Communism in Eastern Europe in particular retarded the emergence of many great white boxers especially in the HW class. But few of us can deny the significance of the Lewis-Klitschko fight. The impression it left on the Klitschkos themselves—who, like every other boxer, grew up admiring the African American pantheon of fighters—is undeniable. It was a game changer. Though I wouldn't disagree that it was the result of these Eastern Europeans appearing late on the scene. And therefore, was inevitable.
 
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Also, last I read Golota was facing deportation this past summer. Anyone know what's going on with that?
He has had many brushes with the law over the years. I recall charges for impersonationg a police officer, illegal posession of weapons and maybe a bar fight? Maybe now that he is lower profile he has been involved in "real" criminal activity. I remember when he fought Bowe in the rematch obvious Eastern Euro gangster types were sitting ringside cheering him on.
 

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Andrew Golota, making White fighters look bad for 20 years.:sad:
 

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He has had many brushes with the law over the years. I recall charges for impersonationg a police officer, illegal posession of weapons and maybe a bar fight? Maybe now that he is lower profile he has been involved in "real" criminal activity. I remember when he fought Bowe in the rematch obvious Eastern Euro gangster types were sitting ringside cheering him on.

See my posts above re his involvement with the Polish Mafiya.

His fights were always exciting, if not bizarre. And keep this in mind if you disparage him- He won the heavyweight championship TWICE, fair and square, and both times he was robbed by the crooked referee and judges.
 

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Andew Golota, a question mark wrapped inside a riddle contained in an enigma inside a slightly punch drunk heavyweight. I think he would be good material for a documantary. I would watch it.

I watched the first Bowe fight with my dad and brother. When they were doing the intros my dad said something like here go again the honky's gonna lose, half jokingly but cynical nonetheless. I knew Golota had something so I told him to wait and see. By the end of the first couple rounds my dad had perked up and was really into the fight as Golota slapped Bowe around pretty good. The Pole had been working with George Benson who was a defensive guru, and it showed. He was slipping and blocking and making Bowe miss, then countering a shocked Bowe, who no doubt had expected to be in with a lumbering punching bag.

It was a portent of things to come.

I don't know if the ending qualifies the fight as a classic, but it has helped make it stick in the memory. A good memory for me.
 

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See my posts above re his involvement with the Polish Mafiya.

His fights were always exciting, if not bizarre. And keep this in mind if you disparage him- He won the heavyweight championship TWICE, fair and square, and both times he was robbed by the crooked referee and judges.
Many former boxers end up as enforcers for shylocks, bookies and mobsters. In Toronto Eddie Melo(a Canadian middleweight who had big domestic level fights) was an enforcer for a mafia family. Even the sainted George Chuvalo collected for a shylock and back in the late 90's the local papers had a feature story about him forcing(politely) little old grannies and low income tenants out of a rent controlled building because the landlord wanted to sell the building to condo developers. It wasn't a highlight of his life as he had this sheepish look when he explained what he was doing for the landlord...:thumbdown:
 
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