American cities

[cxt7]

I had heard something on the news talking about gary indiana and how it is a terrible place so I did some research. Gary is 85% black, so i looked up the city with the most whites based on a population over 100,000. It is livonia mich 97% white. Here are the numbers and they don't lie. This chart is from 2001.



<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%">
<T>
<TR bgColor=#dcdcdc>
<TD>Crimes per 100,000 population</TD>
<TD align=right>Natl. average</TD>
<TD align=right>Gary, IN</TD>
<TD align=right>Livonia, MI</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Population
</TD>
<TD align=right>114,967</TD>
<TD align=right>112,824</TD>
<TD align=right>100,918</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Violent crimes
murder, rape, robbery &amp; assault </TD>
<TD align=right>506</TD>
<TD align=right>942</TD>
<TD align=right>168</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Property crimes
burglary, larceny &amp; auto theft </TD>
<TD align=right>3,617</TD>
<TD align=right>4,642</TD>
<TD align=right>1,826</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Murder
</TD>
<TD align=right>5</TD>
<TD align=right>59</TD>
<TD align=right>0</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Forcible rape
</TD>
<TD align=right>32</TD>
<TD align=right>59</TD>
<TD align=right>21</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Robbery
</TD>
<TD align=right>144</TD>
<TD align=right>481</TD>
<TD align=right>62</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Aggravated assault
</TD>
<TD align=right>323</TD>
<TD align=right>342</TD>
<TD align=right>104</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Burglary
</TD>
<TD align=right>728</TD>
<TD align=right>1,477</TD>
<TD align=right>441</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Larceny-theft
</TD>
<TD align=right>2,475</TD>
<TD align=right>1,957</TD>
<TD align=right>1,802</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Motor vehicle theft
</TD>
<TD align=right>414</TD>
<TD align=right>1,213</TD>
<TD align=right>281</TD>
<TD align=right></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Arson
</TD>
<TD align=right>32</TD>
<TD align=right>n/a</TD>
<TD align=right>n/a</TD></TR></T></TABLE>

 

[jaxvid]

Yes I live near Livonia. It's a nice place. They had a murder there a year ago. But it was some black guy from Detroit. I would guess most of the crime in Livonia is committed by blacks from Detroit or nearby. Livonia is right next to Detroit. So the stats for Livonia are inflated by blacks that don't live there anyway. The gap would be much bigger if you could factor that out. What stands out for me from the stats above is that Gary (a real cesspool, I know the place) is behind the national average in larceny-theft. C'mon Gary pick up the pace! Probably nothing much left to steal there.

 

[bjan]

American cities all cross the country are in deep trouble. The common reason is that many have no go areas for white people.I live in Pittsburgh, Pa. and many people that I know will not go into the city because of increased criminal activity.Two major department stores have closed in the city,and after 6:00 P.M.there is an exodus to suburban shopping malls,which are becoming as dangerous as the city itself!

 

[jaxvid]

Pittsburgh is heaven compared to Detroit. Detroit has no movie theaters, no shopping malls, and about 5-10 new houses built in the city annually. It is Mogadishu without the "charm".

 

[bjan]

The destruction of the city of Pittsburgh continues as a result of black criminality.In the past week the popular nightcub "chauncys" was closed along with a Tambellini restaurant across the hall from from it.Owner,Michael Vitanovich invested a million dollars into Tambellinis Station Square Inc.Also the Ardmore roller rink was closed after a "melee"erupted involving 800 people,in the Forest hills section of the city.

 

[dyna]

I'd love to see a comprison that considers the income levels
of the two cities. It's also a fact that poor people commit
more crimes than wealthier people.

Also, I've been to Livonia & it's a culture-less sh*t hole
that happens to have a Native American name.

 

[cxt7]

Actually the name livonia was named after latvia, and gary indiana used to be a very wealthy city untill the steel industry went down instead of trying to attract new business there black mayor did nothing but use federal funds. http://www.asu.edu/caed/proceedings02/CATLIN/catlin.htm

 

[Lance Alworth]

Also, I've been to Livonia & it's a culture-less sh*t hole
that happens to have a Native American name

I think we have a multi-culturalist among us

 

[dyna]

I think we have a multi-culturalist among us [/
QUOTE]

I prefer the term "Tax Paying American"

 

[dyna]

Actually the name livonia was named after latvia, and gary
indiana used to be a very wealthy city untill the steel industry went down
instead of trying to attract new business there black mayor did nothing
but use federal funds. http://www.asu.edu/caed/proceedings02/CATLIN/
catlin.htm

I was wrong about the name, just seems like every town in Michigan is an
Indian or French name. My bad.

As for you're report, The economic decline of greatlake cities that based
their economies around the steel industry is probably fairly uniform,
despite the color of their mayor. Regardless, it's still true that crime is
more directly linked to income than any other factor. Was the ridiculous
people mover in Detroit linked to a black mayor?

 

[jaxvid]

re dyna's comments:

Q-Was the ridiculous People Mover in Detroit linked to a black mayor?

A-Yes it was. Coleman Young who presided over the ruin of a once great city of Detroit heavily pushed the people mover by forcing Pres. Jimmy Carter to finance it with federal funds in exchange for black votes.

Q-Is Livonia a culture-less sh*t hole?

A-No and no. There is a very distinct culture in Livonia. White middle class. It is a culture based upon peaceful co-existence with your neighbors and respect for them and their property. It is also a "bedroom" community, mostly residential so the things one might associate with culture, i.e. movies, plays, museums, etc. are not located there. It a great place to live although a recent influx of minorities is causing the standard of living to drop.

As for sh*thole, that perjorative is always used to apply to a populated area that is run-down, depressed, crime-ridden and of course heavily peopled by various minorities or "people of color."

Youe statement that crime is linked to income is absolutely WRONG. Criminal activity is genetic or culture based. There are many poor white communities where there is virtuly no crime. There are NO black majority areas (even those with high average incomes)that can be described as low crime.

You have not made one correct statement, since this is a sports oriented site I would say you are "0 fer" this message board.

 

[Charlie]

Sorry, but race has the strongest correlation with rates of crime. Roughly speaking African-Americans have a crime rate twice that of Hispanics, six times that of Caucasians, and twelve times that of Asians. Despite being poor Maine and West Virginia have little crime due to a lack of Blacks and Hispanics.

Further, crime breeds mistrust which fosters poverty. Because they cannot be trusted African-Americans enjoy few business opportunities not government-mandated. Contrast this with the spectacular rise of Singapore from abject poverty to per capita incomes closing in on the U.S. That Lee Kwan Yu was able to turn a mostly Chinese population into a fiercely honest society suggests even the most difficult cases can be improved.

 

[dyna]

Because they cannot be trusted African-Americans
enjoy few business opportunities not government-mandated.

To state that an entire ethnic group of people "cannot be trusted" sounds
pretty racist to me. Perhaps you should extend some trust instead of
systematically justifying hate.


"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to
hate. Hate leads to suffering." ~Yoda

 

[Colonel Callan]

Charlie - I don't know about the rest of the country, but out here in CA, the hispanics (mostly Mexicans of course) are just about even with blacks in most areas of crime, and have passed them in other areas (like burglary, auto theft, assault). The blacks still lead overall in murder (by a little bit) and robbery (by a hair). The browns and blacks are primitive savages. I don't care if that offends anyone. It's a fact. Name me one black or hispanic (meaning mestizo, black or indio hispanics) nation that isn't a hell-hole. No one can.

 

[cxt7]

What a great point, look at this article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6529893 from what i found online both ireland and switzerland are over95% white, Zimbabwe worst place to live gee whats there black population..........over 98%


http://www.zimbabwe.8m.com/zimpeo.html

 

[dyna]

The browns and blacks are primitive savages..[/
QUOTE]

Living in California & America must be hard for you. What with the Lt.
Governer of the state and now the Attorney General of the country are
primitave savages. Heck, my City Councilmember and congressional
representative are savages.

 

[dyna]

Name me one black or hispanic (meaning
mestizo, black or indio hispanics) nation that isn't a hell-hole. No one
can.

I went to belize on my honeymoon and it was wonderful.

 

[dyna]

from what i found online both ireland and switzerland are
over 95% white

What are you waiting for? our country isn't getting any whiter. Pack your
bags! I'm sure there's no problems in those countries at all. Their quasi-
socialist systems really help the even the playing field.

 

[dyna]

Zimbabwe worst place to live gee whats there black
population..........over 98%

Maybe colonization has something to do with this. From
the 2 minutes of research I did, it seemed they were doing
pretty well before white people came...

http://www.english.emory.edu/Bahri/Zimb.html

The land of Zimbabwe was settled by the British in 1890 and named
Rhodesia after its founder, Cecil John Rhodes. Formation of this colony
was seen as a continuation of the British Empire's plan to bring the whole
of the "uncivilized worlds under British rule." Rhodes believed that the
English had an inherent right to imperial rule because they were the "first
race in the world and therefore the more of the world (they) inhabited, the
better it would be for the human race" (Nyangoni 19). This ideology of
innate British superiority served as justification for their discriminatory
colonial policies. In the colony of Rhodesia the native Africans were ruled
by an all-white government in which they were not allowed to participate.
Only whites were granted the right to vote and elect the leaders
governing their land. Laws were passed which prohibited the presence of
Africans in many public places. Ordinances allowed for inequitable
distribution the land that provided Zimbabwe's large population of
farmers with sustenance. Under these ordinances, 6000 whites seized the
best half of the land while the worst half was left to the 600,000 black
peasant farmers (Chung 211). During the colonial rule that extended from
1890 to 1979, the white minority dominated and oppressed the native
population and divested them of their land.

 

[cxt7]

Yea belize looks like a great place why didn't you stay there http://www.peoplesguide.com/1pages/best/maya/mayasafe.htm


Here also is a bit of an update on crime in Belize. Fair is fair.


- Interpol puts the reported crime rate in Belize at 10 reports per 100 population per year, twice the rate of the U.S. but less than the reported rate in Canada and half that in Guatemala.


- There has been a spate of gun-related murders in Belize City. In August, '93, two police officers were killed by gunfire. Some citizens are now arming themselves, with guns brought in from the U.S. or Guatemala. Some claim that as many as 5,000 to 7,000 residents of Belize City carry guns. Belizean police, like British Bobbies of old, do not carry guns.


- Murders have increased, say police, to about six a month in Belize. That's a large number considering that the population of the entire country is only 195,000.


- Police attribute part of the problem to youth gangs patterned after U.S. gangs. The two large gangs in Belize City are the Crips and the Bloods. The presence of crack and other drugs in Belize City also contributes to a high crime rate. Authorities have banned the wearing of red and blue handkerchiefs, symbols of the gangs. Some Belizeans say the threat of gangs are overstated, that most members are unemployed adolescents who are copycatting what they see on U.S. TV, but that most gang members are not involved in crime.


- Outside Belize City, crime is much less of a problem. The cayes and the Cayo District with its Mayan ruins and jungle lodges have relatively few crime problems, authorities say.


- One of Belize's main export crops is "Belize Breeze," potent grass grown on farms off the Old Northern Highway or elsewhere in under-populated Belize. Remote airstrips are also said to be trans-shipment points for cocaine and other drugs en route from South America to the U.S.


- Some Belizeans worry that, if and when the British Defense Forces complete their announced pull-out from Belize that drug growers, drug dealers and other undesirables will have a freer range in Belize.

 

[dyna]

Yea belize looks like a great place why didn't you stay
there

I didn't stay because I love America. But, I should mention the scuba
diving & food in Belize is amazing.

 

[bjan]

Lewiston Me. Has been invaded with Somali-Bantus, and has been "Transformed" They first were resettled in Atlanta, Ga. but were intimidated by local blacks! When they heard wellfare benefits were more generous in Me. they "demanded" and were,resettled in Lewiston!There are 60,000 Hmong in Minnesota! also there for wellfare! Is this a great country, or What!

 

[Charlie]

African-Americans could get the 'trust' ball rolling by extending it to each other. Yet there is no AA equivalent to Amish barn raisings or Asian lending circles. I always felt sorry for Minister Farrakhan. To the extent he and his followers were honest and law-abiding was the same extent to which they would be abused by non-believers in the Black 'community'. I recall in particular one murder of a Muslim in Boston. His crime? Exhorting Blacks to leave gangs and stop dealing and using drugs.

I wonder what ethnic, racial, or religious group has the best reputation for honesty. Hasidm, to a large extent, control the diamond trade. They do business without written contracts, relying on just a handshake to seal large deals.

Before the civil war Beruit was operated like that. I mean all of it. A Beruit merchant made a promise and kept it as if his livelihood depended on it (which it did). And it probably was that way thousands of years earlier with the Phoenicians, from whom the Lebanese are descended.

Bjan mentioned Somalis. One thing that struck me was how casually they lie. At the big rally held at a Maine college in support of Somali migration a Somali said his flight to Maine had been fueled by his child being verbally abused by a White student while riding a school bus. A White public school student in Atlanta? With the temerity to insult a Black student, of whatever origin?

At least the Somali knew his audience. Black-American and Black-Somali discord, the real story, would have created confusion and dismay.

Belize is nice, but tourism development seems to have enjoyed little input from Blacks. They're just sort of there, willing to do a bit of low-end labor. Good thing I guess, otherwise might have cut down the nature stuff and built a modern society.