Affirmative Action Keeps White Guys in NBA

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MSNBC talking head Chris Matthews was having a spirited discussion about affirmative action on "Hardball"Â￾ when suddenly, unexpectedly, the conversation shifted to race and sports.

At first, the chat was about everyday jobs, with Matthews posing the question: "If an Italian passes the firefighter's exam, and a black man doesn't, who gets the job?"Â￾

This led to his Pat Buchanan using the "Olympic model."Â￾ Basically, that there are black-dominated sports (sprinting, high-jump) and white-dominated sports (hockey, swimming) but this is America, dammit, and the best athletes are the ones who make the team.

That's when things get interesting. Matthews, ever the provocateur, then proclaims, "I think a lot of NBA teams carry white players."Â￾

Eugene Robinson briefly saves the segment from going to crazy town by bringing up the examples of Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash, but then says "at least those guys can shoot!"Â￾ They all share a good chuckle, and sidestep a legitimate discussion by harping on stereotypes-that-aren't-too-uncomfortable. Did you know white men can't jump?

Video of the Hardball segment here (basketball talk starts around the 6:30 mark):

Although Matthews' point was way too broad of a stroke, and the basketball exchange was clumsily and hastily done, it's not entirely without merit. Going back to Buchanan's Olympic example, you can make the argument that the 1992 Olympic basketball team was vanilla'd up in some sort of weird attempt at affirmative action/making the team more attractive to white people who bought jerseys and McDonalds cups.

John Stockton over Isiah Thomas? Questionable, but Michael Jordan didn't like Thomas, so Stockton gets the nod. But Christian Leattner? I realize he was the most popular college basketball player at the time, but"¦ let's just say that that decision wasn't motivated exclusively by skill level.


http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/msnbc-host-nba-carries-white-players-because-of-affirmative-action-video/
 

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Rise, Stockton was the best point guard to ever play the game. Of course he should play over Thomas. Bird was easily one of the best, if not the best player of all time. Mullin was a beast and Laettner was very good as well.
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Stockton is the NBA's All-Time assist and steals leader while averaging a respectable PPG avg and an extremely good FG, FT and 3pt percentages. If Stockton was ever the featured scorer he'd easily have averaged close to 30 PPG, but he was an unselfish team player and did what was best for the team and not himself, unlike most affletes...

Also Christian Laettner was added because the Dream Team either needed or wanted at least 1 collegiate player for some reason and CL was the best NCAA player that year. CL also had a better NBA career than he's given credit for.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/christian_laettner/index.html

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/john_stockton/index.html

Damn, Stockton averaged over 13 PPG - 10 APG - 2 STL- 2 RPG while shooting over 50% from the field for his career which is all the more impressive since I've never seen him dunk.
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There were only 4 whites on that team which is 33%. Mullin averaged over 20 ppg for 6 years in his career and at the time was averaging over 25 ppg.
 

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They didn't bother vanilla-ing up the team last time. I guess AA for white basketball players has ended.
 

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White superstars end up playing for other countries. Steve Nash played for Canada and Nowitzki for Germany. There are very few white American stars in the NBA today. It's a shame.
 

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as with all messages from the jew-run media, the kosher-approved host presents a brazen, bald-facedlie as truth. then, said messenger delicately massages said "facts" with a carefully prepared antagonistic approach, pointedly ignoring the evidence that would easily refute the position being endorsed. furthermore, the approach is designed to present the glaringly false lie as so obviously self-evident that anyone who attempts to refute it is a fool.

the notion that Whites are being propped up in the NBA, like virtually every aspect we discuss at CF, is the exact opposite of the truth. anyone willing to use their brain and with any knowledge of professional/world basketball would destroy this nonsense within moments.
 

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Stockton was one of the best players in the history of the NBA (Thomas couldn't hold his jock) & Bird was/is the greatest of ALL time...bar none. Mullin was a stud in his prime, & they did want a college player...of whom, Laettner was the best. NONE were "AA" additions (similar to black NHL players, Danica Patrick, etc.).







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Some were making the case for adding Shaq to the Dream Team.
He would have worked too. But I guess they already had two centers and didn't want to make Patrick Ewing look bad. lol

So Laettner was more of a 4/5 and a guy who would just be happy to be there. There weren't that many minutes to go around, plus having Shaq on the team would have made Patrick Ewing look like the overrated, borderline Hall of Famer (not a top tier all-time center) that he really was.

Also, Stockton was a no-brainer. The team had some great scorers and needed a legit point guard, a great passer to go along with Magic. Isaiah was more of a scorer. But Stockton was gonna make it anyway. If he was gonna replace someone it would have been Clyde Drexler. Drexler was a character guy and less egotistical than Isaiah. No, Isaiah Thomas didn't make the team but neither did Dominique Wilkins, a guy who had as good of a decade up to that point as anybody. Finally, if the Dream Team needed a point guard who could run the offense, shoot, score, pass, and had a killer instinct they could have just as easily gone with Mark Price (who was peaking) rather than Thomas (who was on the downside of his career and fading fast).

And where is his love for Tom Chambers? Great scorer, versatile forward with incredible whiteleticism.
Ok, I guess I am making a case for an all-white Dream Team for 1992. Call it the Cream Team. lol

Wow! That should have been the REAL gold medal game in 1992: the all white team vs. the all black team. Would have been a great game!
 

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You are spot on, pistol pete. Add "Thunder" Dan Majerle, Detlef Schrempf (a US citizen by then, I believe), Mark Eaton in the middle, Jeff Hornacek, Scott Skiles, and Bill Laimbeer to the mix, and you have one heck of a white team that would have certainly given the Dream Team a run for their money, more so than Yugoslavia, who hung tough for a half, and the got blown out in the Olypmic Final in 1992.Edited by: foobar75
 

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BTW, Chris Mullin was a first team All-NBA in 1992 as a Forward. I wonder if that was the last time an American born white player made that team. In fact, I really wonder when was the last time an American white made any of the 3 All-NBA teams. Was it Van Horn, Gugliotta, or Sczerbiak, perhaps?

Nash, Nowitzki, and Ginobili have made numerous apperances over the years, but American whites have gone extinct in that department.
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That's why I don't understand Rise's comment. How is Stockton not better than Isiah Thomas? He's the best pure point guard to ever play the game. How is Mullin not worthy? He was averaging 25 ppg at that time. Laettner was a very good player and certainly deserved his spot. Why question any of this?
 

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whiteathlete33 said:
That's why I don't understand Rise's comment.

Rise was quoting the author of the opinion piece, wa33. he just failed to use the quote feature to make it clear.it was the author who thinks White men can't play basketball.
 

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Thanks Jimmy. It was confusing because after the Video of Hardball part I thought he was giving us his opinion on the matter.
 

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no worries, wa33. i'm happy to help. now, to get back on topic ...

the truth is that affirmative action favoring blacks is the only reason the NBA is so dark. aconcise, pointedway to refute this whole "The NBA would becompletely black if things were fair" or "White guys simply aren't good enough to play in the NBA" nonsense is this:

all-White (except for the worst player on the team who played only a couple of minutes per game) Greece defeated the all-black "Dream Team" of USA in the semi-finals of FIBA's 2006 World Championship. none of the White players from Greece had ever even been invited toan NBA camp, while the black NBAers were NBA superstars.

conversely, the Greek'slone black player had actually been drafted by the NBA (in the second round, 34th overall) despite not being good enough to get big minutes on a team of "White stiffs."

for anyone who is interested, there is the truth of the NBA's "talent" search in stark black and White.
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There are many talented white European players that would be in the NBA if given the opportunity. The NBA would be half white just with these European players.

Many of the white Europeans that have been drafted recently are still playing overseas. Ricky Rubio is just one example. It's unknown when this talented point guard will be in the NBA but 2011 or 2012 is a possibility.

The frustrating thing these days with the NBA is less and less white American players. If we had a decent amount of white Americans such as Stockton, Gugliotta, Van Horn, and Mullin during the 90's what's happened recently? The drop off has been tremendous. To expose the double standard further one only needs to look at Jeremy Tyler. He's been a bust playing for an Isreali team yet will be drafted next year if he enters the draft.
 

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those are good points as well, wa33.

another guy to mention is Nick Calathes. the 6-6 point guard was unstoppable at Florida. in the spring of 2009, he told the NBA "no thanks" and headed off to play in Greece, where his teamwon the Greek Championship this year and he helped the take home the bronze at the EuroBasket Championships last year. he's getting paid just as much as he would if he were a lottery pick in the NBA, too... but without the racial bias.
 

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Jimmy Chitwood said:
those are good points as well, wa33.
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<div>another guy to mention is Nick Calathes. the 6-6 point guard was unstoppable at Florida. in the spring of 2009, he told the NBA "no thanks" and headed off to play in Greece, where his teamwon the Greek Championship this year and he helped the take home the bronze at the EuroBasket Championships last year. he's getting paid just as much as he would if he were a lottery pick in the NBA, too... but without the racial bias. </div>

Calathes is another victim of anti-white bias in sports. Just check out his scouting report from Nbadraft.net

Strengths: Calathes is a true point guard who continuously makes
his teammates better. He runs a team like an NBA veteran. He is an
exceptional passer, always putting the ball in the right place for easy
baskets, and often sending passes to where his teammates should be on
the floor, in a sense coaching them with each pass. He has a great
shooting stroke and can hit consistently from three. He is very shifty
and can get into the paint when he needs to. He plays a very composed
game, and visibly pushes himself more when he makes mistakes. He was
named Mr. Basketball of Florida as a junior in high school.

Weaknesses: His foot speed is solid but his athleticism is a
concern. He seems to be the quintessential point guard for the college
game, but it is unclear if his game translates to the NBA where he will
be playing against much quicker and stronger point guards. He is very
thin and needs to bulk up to really take advantage of his size.
Defensively, he needs to work on staying in front of his man in one on
one situations.





As usual they claim he is too slow for the NBA.
 

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There's nothing glaringly wrong with what Buchanan says, as referenced in the original post in this thread, but it's obvious he's yet another White man who believes sports is color blind and that blacks dominate certain sports without any kind of affirmative action boost.

I've heard even David Duke give lip service to the "blacks are better athletes" big lie. Although Caste Football has made progress there's still a long way to go. Then again, when this site started almost nobody realized there was a Caste System, replete with extreme affirmative action in sports; now a lot of racially conscious Whites do know what's going on.Edited by: Don Wassall
 

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Don, you make a good point. when a lie is the only message that is heard and the truth is hidden or manipulated for so long, it becomes next to impossible for people to believe the actual truth when it finally is revealed. a really poignant example of this is the Bolshevik Revolution ...

when i hear someone cringing about the"tragic suffering" of the oppressed jews and their"6 million deaths" (tm)during the HolyCost, i ask them if they are constantly tortured by the 10 million ethnic Russians killedduring the Bolshevik Revolution. usually they are stunned speechless, then after a few moments they ask who is responsible for it. when i tell them, "The jews killed them." their mouths fall open, then they walk away as if hit in the head with a hammer. their world view is shattered.
 

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How about Rex Chapman?? He was in the 1991 dunk contest; he had mad athleticism! He could have easily been on the "Cream Team" in 92 IMO!

What an insult to Stockton...I'd like to ask lil' Crissy Matthews if he realized Stockton in his prime was the 2nd Fastest Player in the NBA!

And yes Mark Price was supposedly too small/slow/unathletic/white for the NBA...It wasfun seeing the haters being proved wrong!

Tom Chambers got nothing but respect back in the day!White men can't jump??

Larry Legend was in the twilight of his career by the time the Olympics rolled around...

That's my rant...thanks for yalls imput...nice discussion!
 

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TwentyTwo said:
How about Rex Chapman?? He was in the 1991 dunk contest; he had mad athleticism! He could have easily been on the "Cream Team" in 92 IMO!
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<div>What an insult to Stockton...I'd like to ask lil' Crissy Matthews if he realized Stockton in his prime was the 2nd Fastest Player in the NBA! </div>
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<div>And yes Mark Price was supposedly too small/slow/unathletic/white for the NBA...It wasfun seeing the haters being proved wrong!</div>
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<div>Tom Chambers got nothing but respect back in the day!White men can't jump??</div>
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<div>Larry Legend was in the twilight of his career by the time the Olympics rolled around...</div>
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<div>That's my rant...thanks for yalls imput...nice discussion!</div>

Where did you get your info that Stockton was the 2nd fastest Player in the NBA?
 

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Chris Matthews is theDemocrat Party hackwho said that the sight of Barack Obama makes him all tingly between his legs.
 
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Twentytwo,

I looked up the stats from the 1991-1992 season and it looks like Rex Chapman was injured that year. Good athlete and scorer. So he may or may not have been on the Cream Team.

I will tell you mine but first I will tell you what the All Black team would be. Ironically the best black center wouldn't be available just as the best white center wouldn't be eligible. Hakeem Olajuwon would have been the top center but he is Nigerian. The best white center at that time was Arvydas Sabonis who won a gold medal with the USSR in 1988 and beat David Robinson and the USA squad along the way. So Ewing and Robinson would have been the two centers. Shaq would have gotten consideration but he was a college guy and would have made Ewing look bad. At forward Malone and Barkley would stay. Both good power forwards. At the small forward spot, Scottie Pippen would start and would be used as a defensive stopper. At the two guard Michael Jordan would be the go to guy and would have to score more without Bird and Mullin being available. Clyde Drexler would get more playing time, and he could play the 2 or the 3. Magic Johnson would be the unquestioned floor leader and the team's main veteran. At the backup point guard to replace Stockton, Isaiah Thomas would get the nod. He can run the offense and is a good scorer. He might have problems with Jordan and may take too many shots. The last cut at point guard would be Tim Hardaway who could score, pass, and drive but he is not a veteran so Zeke gets the nod. To balance Isaiah's selfishness and deteriorating overall game the team goes with Joe Dumars to be its fifth guard. He also has championship experience and is a leader and is unselfish. Dumars is also a good shooter, a good defender and can play both shooting guard and point guard. Terry Porter was an option to play this role but they went with Dumars instead. To backup Pippen Team Dark Side looks to add offense to balance Pippen's defensive and set-up guy role. They choose Dominique Wilkins who is the exciting Human Highlight Film and is arguably the best pure scorer on the team outside of Jordan. His downsides are that he is one-dimensional, selfish, not a great defender, and not really a winner. He will be used primarily as the sixth man. He will hurt the black team if he starts to take too many bad shots. But his addition to the team assures that they will have two high scorers at wing position at all times (Jordan, Nique, or Clyde). The 1992 rookie of the year Larry Johnson is one of the last cuts at this position since even though he is a good athlete, a 20 point scorer, and a better rebounder than Nique, he is not as good of a scorer as Nique, has only one year of pro experience, and like Wilkins, he is not a good defender. For the last spot the black team decides to go with Dennis Rodman. They already had two great scorers at the 4 spot with Barkley and Karl Malone. Rodman gives them a premier defensive guy who can shut down power forwards and also lock down small forwards. He posses a winner's mentality and can guard all five positions on the court. He can also play some small forward if the team wants to go big, or center if the team wants to go small. While he only scored around 10 points a game in the 1991-1992 season, he doesn't need the ball to be effective, can bring the ball up the court, and can run the floor like a guard. Oh, and in 1991-1992 for the Pistons he averaged 18.7 rebounds. Two of the last cuts for Rodman's spot were James Worthy who can play both small forward and power forward but he was on the downside of his career, and he is not the athlete or scorer that Dominique is or the rebounder or defender that Rodman is. The team looked at Moses Malone but he is also on the downside of his career and is not as good of a rebounder at his age as Rodman and would probably not get many minutes at center behind Ewing and the Admiral.
All in all a very good team with good athletes and scorers. One downside is they perhaps have too many ball hogs. Another is a lack of great outside shooters. MJ is good but not the best, Magic is ok, Pippen and Barkley are below average and Clyde and Dominique are streaky and tend to get shot happy. Dumars is a premier shooter but that is about it. Isaiah can shoot, but he is more of a scorer and a worry is that he is mainly interested in getting shots for himself and not his teammates. Rodman can't hit a shot outside three feet, and Karl Malone lacks a refined post game. David Robinson is a beast inside but he is not a crunch time guy and you can get in his head. He is also more of a finesse guy than a classic overpowering center. Ewing has a good midrange jump shot but he is a black hole on offense and takes forever (and about 5 steps) to get off a shot in the post.

For the white team John Stockton is easily the starting point guard. Tough, gritty, a great shooter from anywhere, good ball handler, one of the best passers ever especially passing one handed, a hard-nosed defender, and the master of the pick and roll. An assassin. Not afraid to make the home run pass or take the last shot. At the back up point guard slot the Cream Team decides to go with Mark Price. Price is a great shooter and one of the top 3 point snipers in the NBA. He is also a very good passer and ball handler. He is the team leader of a very good Cavs squad and is a perfect backup point guard for this team. The Cream Team has a pg in Stockton that rivals Magic in the ability to pass and see the floor. Both Stockton and Price are better outside shooters than Thomas or Johnson. The last cut at point guard was John Paxon. Although didn't have standout stats he is a great three point shooter and is coming off his second straight NBA championship. He can handle the ball, operate in a strict offense, and hit clutch shots.
At shooting guard the white team takes 3 shooting guards. But first, here are the last two cuts here. Rex Chapman was considered here for his athleticism and scoring ability. However, he is too much of a gunner and was injured in the 1991-1992 season. Another late cut was Danny Ainge. Coming off a Finals appearance with Portland, Ainge is a great veteran influence who can hit from the outside, and can do some of everything. He plays at the two but can also play some point. On the downside, he is on the downslope of his career and somewhat streaky. Ainge does not excel enough in any one category to be picked. So the three shooting guards taken are Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerle, and Craig Ehlo. Jeff Hornacek had a great year in 1992. He can score from anywhere and is a good passer. He can also be used as the third point guard. Behind him is Dan Majerle who is a better 3 point shooter than Hornacek and is a better defender. And at 6'6 with a good vertical "Thunder Dan" is a very good athlete and a perfect fit for the second team. The third shooting guard is Craig Ehlo who can do some of everything (and a little bit better in each area than Danny Ainge). He is a good counter to Scottie Pippen. He is a guy the Cream Team can use to help slow down Jordan along with Dan Majerle. Like Majerle, Craig Ehlo can also play some small forward. Ehlo is a perfect intangibles guy for this team. At small forward Larry Bird gets the starting nod. While on the downside of his career, Larry Bird can still do it all-- shoot, drive, pass, rebound, and handle the ball. Bird gives the Cream Team yet another versatile scorer who can hit the long ball. The best passing big man the game has ever seen, Larry Bird gets everyone involved, makes his teammates better and can control a game without scoring. Not only can he pass and start a fast break he can also play some power forward. He will be the team's go to guy in the clutch. When Bird gets in the zone watch out! Chris Mullin is the backup small forward. He had a great year in 1992. Mullin is a scoring machine, a good shooter and a crafty passer. He was also one of the Golden State Warriors top rebounders. Detlef Shrempf was left off the team as he is considered more of a Euro. At the power forward position the Cream Team decides to go with two savvy veterans in Kevin McHale and Tom Chambers. McHale, while being towards the end of his career can still rebound and bang inside. His long reach and shot blocking skills will disrupt Sir Charles (the original Prince Jimmy, err I mean King James) and the Mailman (if you need someone to deliver a ring you should go with FedEx instead). McHale still has those incredible post moves and is the team's best pure inside threat. Tom Chambers, while also being on the downside of his career, is still an effective scorer. He can also get the team some rebounds and make athletic moves in the paint. Chambers has a good blend of size, speed, power, and finesse and can effectively counter Malone and Barkley. One of the last guys cut for this position was Kurt Rambis. Although he only averaged a few points and rebounds for the Suns in 1992 he is a tough, hard-nosed player who can rebound, bang inside, and get garbage baskets. He also has some championship rings from his time with the LA Lakers. He would do some of the things that Rodman does for the Black Team, but the Cream Team decided on having only two power forwards and bringing three centers instead. The Cream Team has three veteran centers who along with McHale who can spend some time at the 5 spot, will help clog up the lane and put Jordan, Nique, and Clyde on their butts. Starting at center is Bill Laimbeer. Even though he is about to call it quits he can still rebound, take up space, and hit outside shots. His mental and physical toughness will be needed against the Dream Team's two 7 footers. Laimbeer has two rings from the Pistons and he knows what to do when Jordan comes flying down the lane. While not a shot blocker, Laimbeer is a good position defender and is a great offensive rebounder. And with him in the starting five the Cream Team can boast of four starters who can hit the three. Mark Eaton makes the team as a part of the thee headed center. His career is almost over but he is still 7'3 and can take up space. Never known to be a scorer, he should still be able to get a layup and a put back or two every game. Even at his advanced age he still averaged several rebounds and 2.5 blocks per game in the 1991-1992 season. The third center for the White Team is another defensive specialist, the New Jersey Net's Chris Dudley. Dudley averaged 9 rebounds and 2 blocks a game for the Nets in 1992. While he is not a very good scorer, and a horrific free throw shooter, he did go to Yale. So at the center spot you have three towering tough guys who have six fouls each, and can rebound and defend. Laimbeer is one of the game's best outside shooting big men, Eaton, one of the best shot blocking forces ever, and Dudley is a bigger, better version of Kurt Rambis, an effective counter to the Afromerican Team's Dennis Rodman and a perfect complement to the offensive-minded Tom Chambers. Plus you can't go wrong with a trio of centers from Yale, UCLA, and Notre Dame. A few other centers who were considered were Jon Koncak but he only averaged 3 points a game and his mid range shot and knowledge of Dominique Wilkin's game was not enough to offset Dudley's superior rebounding and shot blocking skills. Danny Schayes is a very solid center but is not the ouside threat of a Laimbeer or the defensive presence of Dudley or Eaton. Will Purdue was considered since he has two championship rings and went to Vandy. But even though the team could use a guy to bang inside he only averaged four points a game in 1992. On the plus side he plays with Pippen and Jordan and understands their games. Another cut here is Christian Laettner who is only a collegian and the Cream Team decided to go with a more veteran team. Plus he is a tweener, not really a pure four or a pure five. But Laettner was added to the bench as a thirteenth man/towel waver who wears a suit so that the Ivy League Dudley doesn't get too much of a big head and partly to placate the overeducated southerns who were mad that Will Purdue (Vanderbilt) and Jon Koncak (SMU) didn't make the team. Laettner also has a place on the bench because at least ONE white guy from Duke who played for Coach K and was picked on the top three had to be a part if the Cream Team somehow, and Danny Ferry was just not an option. lol

Overall, a great matchup. If the Cream Team's bigs (and Bird) was in their prime then the Cream Team would win hands down. As it stands the White Team has the superior shooters, and the Black Team has the superior slashers. The White centers are more defensive minded; the black centers are more offense oriented. If Bird and McHale played as they did in their vintage years, if Eaton was the shot blocking behemoth of the mid-eighties, and if Laimbeer was the same surly center from the Bad Boys championship teams then I like the Cream Team a whole lot. Still, if Ehlo and Majerle can slow down MJ, if the centers can clog the paint, if McHale is hitting on his post moves, and if the threes are falling then the Cream Team is the superior team.The Cream Team's game plan should be to hound Jordan with different defenders, keep Barkley and Malone off the glass, play Ewing straight up, get in Pippen's head, rough up Robinson, hit the threes while encouraging Nique, Thomas, and Drexler to take bad shots, play off Magic to force him to shoot, controlling the boards and getting back on D thus negating the fast break, and generally play unselfish basketball to counter the flashy ball hogs on the other team. Oh, and give the ball to Larry Bird in the clutch.
 

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The high jump is not a "black dominated sport".
The top jumpers in the last twenty years have been mostly European, often Russian or Swedish. It is not completely white "dominated" either, with some great black, Asian and mixed race jumpers.
Perhaps they were talking about the USA, or perhaps they were just talking rubbish.
 
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