A toast to Tiki Barber

Discussion in 'Happy Hour' started by ToughJ.Riggins, Apr 10, 2007.

  1. Colonel_Reb

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    I appreciate that Bart. I can understand being in a dither though. I am fortunate that I will be able to take a break from school and Utah in a couple of weeks, and can avoid getting myself in one. [​IMG]


    Yes, thats right gentlemen, pay close attention and you will see my location "magically" change back from Utah to Misssissippi in the near future! [​IMG]
     
  2. White Shogun

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    How open minded is the media in it's treatment of white athletes, Cheesehead? (that's your name not an insult)

    Dispelling stereotypes about white athletes has nothing to do with negative stereotyping of blacks. What is stereotypical about listing facts about player performance, and conduct off the field? If that happens to be denigrating to blacks, maybe they should change their conduct, not try to have everyone continue to say there is nothing wrong with it and continue to give them a pass.

    You and all the Tiki lovers need to ask yourselves what's so great about him? You're here lauding his praises because he acts like a normal human being. You're lauding him because in comparison he acts better than his black peers. I'd say that you also have a negative view of blacks, otherwise you wouldn't think what he has said and done is anything special. As for his 'praise' of white players, do you think Tiki took that guy under his wing or stood up for him against other blacks on the team? Do you think he'd have suggested that he take the place of a brother running back on the squad?

    There are dozens of articles in the mainstream media about Tiki Barber and how great he is. Why are we expected to kowtow to that ideology on a website specifically dedicated to honoring white athletes? Should I go to blackathlete.com and write a thread about how great a guy Peyton Manning is? What kind of response do you think we'd get on that site? Have you seen a thread here yet denigrate into nothing but posts of f*** yous and suck my d*** mother f***er?!

    As for being open minded, don't be so open minded your brains fall out.
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  3. Colonel_Reb

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    Even on youtube, discussions quicklydegenerate into name calling and cursing by blacks when the facts are brought out. Check out a highlight clip of a white star football player and post something about him being discriminated against because he's white and see what happens.
     
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    If that's the case, then I owe you a apology. Your post came directly after my post and I thought you was referring to me. My mistake. Bart referred to you as the Sara Lee of this site and everybody likes you. I agree.Edited by: guest301
     
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    My problem was all the posts lashing out at Riggins for daring to post anything positive about a black athlete like Tiki and basically telling him (Pit Bull's post and others) not to be writing posts like that anymore.What if tommorrow I wanted to write a post praising Tim Duncan or somebdy else wrote a post praising Shawn Marion? It's not that big a deal and it's not like this site is gonna be overrun with such posts. I just didn't like all the piling on that was going on yesterday and I may have overreacted with my post. I just think that this site needs moderates like me and a handful of others around here to maintain balance and to help grow the site and attract others. I would like to think we are all here to grow the site, change things and make a difference. I think some just come here purely to vent and could care less about the image this site projects. It's ironic that on this site I am a moderate but out in the real world nobody has ever said or thought that about me. I had to come to Caste Football to be a moderate.
     
  6. PitBull

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    If growing the site means posting lots of "toasts" and highlighting the
    accomplishments of black and other non-white athletes, then the whole
    purpose of having a pro-white site is undermined. Post that stuff
    somewhere else. Post the pro-white stuff here. I don't understand why
    that's such a difficult concept.
     
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    Who said anything about lots of toasts? White people are blessed with the ability to be objective, fair-minded and gracious. Why take that away and never post anything positive about other races and/or the occassional black athlete. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on the matter.Edited by: guest301
     
  8. Colonel_Reb

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    Noharm doneAragorn, we all get a little jumpy at times.
     
  9. Don Wassall

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    Like I said when you returned here, you have to have a thick skin. Disagreements are a natural and healthy thing as long as they remain civil. I've praised Barber here and have no problem with anyone praising anyone when it's deserved. My reasoning about this thread was spelled out earlier. It reminded me of the gooey sentimentality and over-reacting one sees all the time in the media to a black who conducts himself in a manner similar to how most white people do all the time. Tiki a "caste-buster" with a "200 IQ" -- please.


    It's no different than the many times I've objected to racial slurs and other nasty posts. I do believe we need "moderates" to balance some of the too-strongstuff that gets posted here. When some regulars were criticizing TJR's posts a few months ago I supportedhim and stated I think he's an asset to the board, and still do. A couple of days ago I strongly disagreed with what White Shogun wrote about Ron Paul being on Alex Jones' radio show. It's not personal, just an exchange of ideas and opinions.
     
  10. guest301

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    Ok, I guess we understand where each other is coming from. I think my skin is more than thick enough [​IMG]. I feel just as strongly that when some praise is warranted for a black athlete that it should be posted as those here who could care less about seeing those type of posts. Until we get some new guidelines in the rules that say no praise of the black athlete can appear on this site, I will continue to feel free to credit them from time to time, when warranted.
    I understand your point earlier about how Tiki comports himself like alot of other white athletes who get no such praise in return. Tiki is somewhat of a anomaly and all the more reason why he should be a role model for the black community and occasionally praised here.
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  11. Don Wassall

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    To me the issue is how criticism of postsis made and how it's handled by those being criticized. The main reason I felt prompted to post in the Tiki thread was because Voice was being maligned for not going along with the We Love Tiki spirit of the thread. No one was being criticized for praising black athletes; to the contrary, people were being attacked for daring to criticize overblown praise of a black athlete.


    The best policy is to just post without also repeatedly sermonizing on whether someone (or the site) is too anti-black, or is not anti-Jewish or pro-Zionist enough, etc. If you like it here and feel comfortable, post, because there's always going to be a divergence of opinions about athletes and races of people. If not, then don't. I'm talking in generalities here, not about any specific individual.
     
  12. White Shogun

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    It seems to me that the Tiki-toasters want the right to post about black athletes without having to hear any criticism. Those who don't want to read about Tiki think the 'toasters' shouldn't post such on CF. Seems like a case of mutually-desired censorship to me. [​IMG]

    If you want to toast black athletes on this site you should expect some dissenting opinions. It shouldn't be that big of a surprise and shouldn't cause a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    My problem with such posts is that there always appears to be an ulterior motive behind them, to sort of show the rest of us neanderthals that 'not all blacks are thugs.' You guys need to ask yourselves why you feel the need to defend blacks in the first place, especially on a site that is specifically about white athletes. Whatever you decide to write, please don't try to be condescending and act like you personally are the moral conscience of Caste Football.

    By the way, all I'm doing at this point is sharing my opinion on this matter - just like you. Now where did I put my kool-aid....
     
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    Saburo Sakai was a great pilot and a relatively humane person. (read below). This being true, would it have been appropriate for me to sing his praises to Americans during WWII, to a living vet who saw his buddies murdered by the Japs in that conflict, or to a survivor of the Rape of Nanking? Would such persons, bearing mental and physical scars of Nipponese aggression, be out of line for not wanting to hear
    much about a "good Jap" who was a cut above the rest?

    The racial situation in America is exactly the same. As in any war, many, perhaps most black/white individuals simply would like to live their lives unmolested. But, as in any war, these desires mean nothing, their leaders and perhaps the inevitabilities of the situation has brought them into inevitable conflict. Propaganda is a nessecary evil in any war, and the Average White American, not the brightest individual himself, does not need yet another voice misleading him about what the average black is like, how they feel about Whites, or what the consequences of numerous
    Blacks are everywhere, everytime.






    Saburo Sakai, a fighter pilot serving with the Japanese Naval Aviation Service from 1934 to 1945, was the top scoring ace in the Pacific theater of World War 2, with a final kill tally of 64 Chinese and other Allied aircraft destroyed. His battle mount of choice through most of the Pacific War was the A6M2 "Zero" fighter, arguably the most nimble dogfight machine to see action on either side of the conflict.

    This charming little anecdote from Sakai's career came to light in the Japanese press several years ago. I have since tried to relocate some of the articles related to it, but have had no luck. I do, however, remember most of the details, so I will try to relate them here as best as memory serves:

    Several years ago, a former Dutch military nurse -- now a retired woman in her 70's -- contacted the Japanese Red Cross (or some similar charitable organization), attempting to locate a Japanese fighter pilot who spared her life somewhere over Java (New Guinea?) one day in 1942. According to her account of the event, she was flying in a Dutch military DC-3 (C-47) air ambulance at low altitude over dense jungle. On board were wounded soldiers and several children who were being evacuated from a combat area. Suddenly, a Japanese "Zero" fighter appeared alongside the plane. The nurse could see the Japanese pilot's facial features clearly. She and some of the children (!) stood by the tiny cabin and cockpit windows of the DC-3 and began frantically trying to wave him off. It is not hard to imagination the panic they must have experienced while pantomiming as if their lives depended on it (and they DID!).

    After a few eternal moments of what must have been sheer terror for the desperately pantomiming passengers, the "Zero" gave a quick, acknowledging wing wobble before peeling off and disappearing from sight. The cockpit and cabin of the DC-3 were filled with cheers and sobs of relief.

    For fifty-odd years, the Dutch nurse had wanted to meet with the Japanese pilot who spared her life, as well as the lives of the wounded soldiers and children that day. With a stroke of sheer luck, the Japanese Red Cross was able to locate the pilot of the Zero plane, and it was none other than Saburo Sakai, who had been flying a sortie combat air patrol on the day in question. When asked if he remembered the incident, Sakai replied that he did, and that he had thought about downing the plane for a brief moment, as higher command had instructed fighter patrols to down any and all enemy aircraft encountered, armed or not. When he saw the waving hands and horror-stricken faces in the windows of the DC-3, however, he was moved to mercy, thinking that anyone who wanted to live that badly deserved to survive. Apparently, he did not experience similarly tender feelings for many an Allied military aviator who was to stray into his gunsights in the subsequent three years of aerial combat, but on that day over the Javan jungles, he showed mercy. It is an anecdote of a type that is sadly rare in the annals of Japanese WW2 military history, but one that, nonetheless, shows that even the fiercest of warriors can be capable of human compassion.

    Soon after the war, appalled not only with the loss of life that his countrymen had suffered, but seeking atonement for the loss of life he had brought about peering through his own gunsights and squeezing a trigger, Sakai became a lay Buddhist acolyte, a devotion which he continues to this day. According to Sakai, he has not killed any creature, "not even a mosquito," since the last time he stepped from the cockpit of his A6M5 "Zero" one hot August day in 1945.


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    Maybe the liberals here should post for awhile at blackathlete and then report back on their experiences.
     
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    I don't know any liberals here. I am sure that blackathlete.com is filled with profanity, bathroomhumor,uncle Tom comments, your mama jokes, Peyton Manning, Dirk and Nash hate, Vick love and of course many props to the Knoxville murderers. I don't think anybody here has any illusions about blackathlete.com.
     
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    While Tiki Barber seems like a pretty decent black guy (ala David Robinson), I think we should keep our focus on the plight, advancement of the white athelete on this site (as our primary goal). We need to keep tackling the Caste System and it's proponents instead of getting sidetracked praising black atheletes for acting as they should. Just my two cents worth.[​IMG]
     
  18. White Shogun

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    Wonder what all the Tiki lovers think of Mr. Barber now. Sure, he is articulate, much more so than say, oh... Michael Irvin, but just because you're articulate and can speak without sounding like you have a mouth full of marbles doesn't mean you should.

    He 'vigorously' denied that he retired because of Tom Coughlin, but apparently bad mouths Coughlin (among others) in his new, tell-all book. Barber changed his tune, and although he doesn't admit that he retired because of Cuoghlin, only that Coughlin was 'part of the reason' he retired. So much for 'vigorously' denying something. I wonder if Barber is looking forward to a career in politics..

    Barber took the time to bash Eli Manning on the Mike and Mike show this morning as well. Barber said that Manning was afraid of him, so now that he is gone Manning should be able to step up and be a leader on the team, without Barber's strong personality around to intimidate him anymore. Not a direct quote but fairly close.

    Many other former football players cum announcers have come out publicly to denounce Tiki for bad mouthing his former coach and teammates. Even the likes of Michael Irvin and Rodney Peete.

    Of course Mike and Mike stuck up for Barber, going along with Barber's excuse that the network pays him for his opinions, including those about his career in the NFL. What else was he supposed to talk about, they asked? Well, I dunno.. doesn't seem like Irvin, Peete, Marino, Simms, Jackson, Sharpe, or any other of a host of former football stars have lacked material to talk about, does it? None of them have had to bash their former teammates on the air or in tell-all books, does it?

    So yeah, here's a toast to Tiki Barber, a real d***head!


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    I was wondering if someone was going to resuscitate this star-crossed thread. [​IMG]
     
  20. white is right

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    Tiki seems like the kind of back stabber that loves to act one way in the locker room and another way when he is in the warmup tunnel answering questions when the cameras are on. Of course before this book came out those pearly whites hid his "Diva" ego. I wonder if this will hurt his marginal hall of fame credentials.
     
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    Bad idea? [​IMG]

    I knew as soon as I heard him on the radio that it would be a topic of conversation on this board. I even remembered this specific thread, and couldn't wait to post about Barber's 'new attitude.' [​IMG]
     
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    Tiki is a backstabber. He stated in an interview that Manning is a poor leader of the Giants franchise and that last year some members of the team were laughing when Manning was trying to rev the team up. What a clown. He disrespects Manning after he retires.
     
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    I regret and take back all my posts earlier this year defending and praising Tiki Barber. What a disappoinment he has turned out to be. So far I only see him criticizing Manning and Coughlin. Aren't there any black players on the Giants for him to criticize?
     
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    There are many black players he could criticize but he prefers to attack Manning and Coughlin. I wonder what he really has against Manning.
     
  25. White Shogun

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    I think it was the exact opposite of what Barber says was the problem - that Manning wasn't a leader. I think Eli came in and didn't automatically kowtow to Tiki's 'leadership.' That's what caused the problem; Eli didn't kiss Barber's a**.
     

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