2021 NFL Draft

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  1. Red Raider

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    In my eyes I feel like Dillon Stoner and Alex Erickson are very similar and I can see him having a similar type of career too. I doubt Stoner will get as much kick return action but he can factor into punt returns and stick around as a reserve receiver with potential to grow into a starting slot (I think Erickson SHOULD be a starting slot by now).
     
  2. Leonardfan

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    What does everyone think the 49ers do at 3? Mac Jones who is the prototype for what Shanahan looks for in a qb or will he sell out and go the quotaback route? A lot of smoke around the Jones to 49ers rumors right now.
     
  3. El Gringo

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    Well he has a female assistant coach so my vote is for quota.
     
  4. Leonardfan

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    well played. It would be disappointing if he goes that route but part of me thinks both he and lynch going to Mac Jones pro day was smoke screen.
     
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    I hope your right about Jones brother!! I forgot about lynch, it’s hard to have negative thoughts about him.
     
  6. El Gringo

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    After Fields stellar pro day I’m sure Lynch and Shannahan would catch holy hell from the woke crowd for passing him up.
     
  7. Leonardfan

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    Im sure it will be similar to what the Giants experienced when they selected Jones over Haskins.
     
  8. Leonardfan

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    https://sports.yahoo.com/kirk-herbstreit-blasts-dan-orlovsky-161953239.html

    And now Orlovsky is under fire for relaying questions about Fields work ethic and everyone is piling on. Can't have negative stereotypes of black qbs can we? But the decades old stereotyping and denigrating of white athletes is A-Ok.
     
  9. Red Raider

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    Oregon S Brady Breeze
    6’0” 197lbs
    40-yd 4.59/4.55
    VJ 38”
    BJ 10’
    SS 4.22
    3C 7.05
    Bench 20 reps

    No complaints about this workout for Breeze, this should solidify him as a draft pick. I like him in rounds 4-5, someone on Twitter said he could be a “honey badger” type.
     
  10. Leonardfan

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    Great complete all around workout - has the looks of a starting free safety.

    Trying to find DeLuca's workout numbers.
     
  11. Bucky

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    Agreed on The Breeze workout!
     
  12. Leonardfan

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    Here is the Bucky Brooks hit piece on Mac Jones. The same Bucky Brooks who decries the racist undertones regarding Justin Fields lack of work ethic has no problem slinging underhanded compliments, underselling or using racial cliches on Mac Jones. I put some quotes from him on Haskins, Tagiolova and Hurts just to prove that he and the rest of the black supremacist/jock sniffing white media try to change the narrative of the traits that are necessary for a QB:


    The first round of the NFL draft is generally reserved for superheroes. And the prospects with the most extraordinary physical gifts are viewed within the scouting community as top-10 talents due to their ability to transform franchises.

    With that standard in mind, I just don't understand why Mac Jones is being hailed as a potential top-five pick in the 2021 class.

    Perhaps the Alabama quarterback is a secret member of The Avengers, operating like Tony Stark as Iron Man. If you're not familiar with the Marvel Comics character, Stark becomes a superhero after creating an electromagnetic, armored suit that grants him superpowers. Watching Jones' meteoric rise up the charts, I believe some observers have made the Heisman Trophy finalist the Iron Man of the draft.


    While I'm not issuing a complete dismissal of Jones' talents as a pinpoint passer with nice timing, touch and anticipation, he significantly benefited from playing behind an NFL-caliber offensive line with first-round talents at wide receiver and running back. The Crimson Tide offense was the armored suit that elevated Jones' game, and scouts need to keep his production in perspective when gauging his talent.

    Now, of course, many of the other quarterbacks in this class played alongside five-star talents, but Jones lacks superpowers as a player himself. What happens to Tony Stark when you take away his suit?

    The 6-foot-3, 217-pounder doesn't display A-grade arm talent or athleticism between the lines. Jones lacks the speed, quickness and running ability to extend plays or create big gains outside of structure. Moreover, he is confined to the pocket as a statuesque signal-caller built to throw traditional dropback passes behind a fortress.

    To his credit, Jones is an outstanding rhythm passer with the capacity to string together completions on short and intermediate throws. He tosses a catchable ball with pinpoint accuracy and a deft touch, despite the fact that this wasn't always needed in Tuscaloosa. Obviously, he isn't to blame for his receivers' ability to get open -- wide open -- but scouts should note the consistent separation and space gained by 'Bama receivers at the top of routes. This led to fewer tight-window throws that challenged Jones to fit the ball into the mailbox.

    Comparing Jones' skills to those of Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields and Trey Lance, there is a drastic difference between the Alabama standout and those other projected first-rounders. Jones is nowhere near the athlete of Fields or Lance, and he lacks the magical arm talent to compete with the quartet in a game of H-O-R-S-E. Although football isn't the Olympic decathlon, the modern NFL's elite quarterbacks are able to deliver "wow" plays with their arm talent and athleticism.

    Think about it this way: How many times have we seen Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers make a jaw-dropping throw with the game on the line? What about Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen utilizing their legs to create critical plays as runners?

    If we hold Jones to that standard when it comes to quarterback play at the NFL level, the Alabama standout falls short. Far short. He is incapable of winning a shootout as a gunslinger forced to play sandlot football.


    With those concerns in mind, I don't know why Jones is being viewed as a first-round prospect, much less a potential top-five pick. The top of the draft should be reserved for superheroes; Jones' lack of superpowers should keep him out of that range.

    Some are comparing Jones to Joe Burrow and Baker Mayfield, two recent No. 1 overall picks who don't offer elite arm talent or exceptional athleticism. First of all, those two are outliers based on raw talent. Also, Burrow is a superior athlete to Jones. And Mayfield, well, his career plight confirms my belief in the need for elite prospects to possess superpowers. The Browns' QB1 helped his franchise hit the 2020 postseason after settling into a system that featured the running game and play-action passing attack, with a stout O-line in front of him and some five-star weapons by his side.

    Jones will need a similar supporting cast to thrive at the next level. He must play behind a talented offensive line that keeps him protected and enables him to throw from a clean pocket due to his limited mobility. And he will need to play with dynamic pass catchers who enable him to dink and dunk with a variety of catch-and-run concepts.

    Given the "system quarterback" feel I get when I evaluate Jones and his traits, I just cannot issue a first-round grade and tout him as a franchise player. The Alabama standout will likely hear his name called in Round 1, but his game and his lack of superpowers could predictably make him an overrated prospect when we review the 2021 draft in a few years.



    Bear in mind this is what he said about Haskins in 2019:
    The 2019 quarterback class hasn't generated the buzz of last year's group, but there are a number of franchise QB candidates and future starters available. Haskins is a five-star player with the arm talent, IQ and pocket-passing skills to set the NFL world ablaze. Despite only one year of starting experience, the Ohio State standout flashes the maturity to be a QB1 from Day 1.

    And he said this about Tagiolova last year (benefitted from the same supporting cast as Jones, same system, same team!): Instead of playing the waiting game with a young QB1, teams are creating offenses around their gunslingers and enabling them to play through their mistakes. Tagovailoa is the most talented QB1 in the class, with a game that makes him feel like a left-handed version of Drew Brees. Despite an injury history that could make some decision-makers pause, Tagovailoa's A+ arm talent, athleticism and intangibles make him an intriguing option as a franchise quarterback.

    and he says this about Hurts as he tries his hardest to make it out that black QBs are at the same level between the ears as their white counterparts: Hurts has steadily climbed up the charts since the end of a spectacular campaign at Oklahoma. The Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year has wowed scouts with his intelligence, leadership ability and athleticism while displaying improved passing skills from the pocket.

    And just to drone on a little bit - If Mahomes is some "superhero" why did he lay an egg in the Super Bowl? It's because he was missing o-linemen due to injury. If Murray is so "dynamic" why has he peaked at 8-8 while the Cardinals do their best to stack the team around him. The take on Tagiolova is laughable - he was injury prone, never had an A+ arm and was never some sort of dynamic athlete at QB. Hurts is not some wunderkind either, he is idler arm part 2. Mac Jones outgunned Fields head to head in the National Championship game. The agenda is obvious and clear.
     
  13. Leonardfan

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    Notre Dame's pro day was this past week - Looks like Ian Book ran between a 4.59 and 4.65 so he's plenty "athletic". I like Book as a solid #2 with starting potential - if Idler Arm was able to start in the NFL than Ian Book should have that ability as well. He's a mid round QB but I'd rank him easily above the mid to late round quotas getting their pre draft melanin induced hype.

    A potential sleeper in TE Brock Wright as well - ran a 4.62 40 at 6'4 257 lbs. He wasn't utilized much and his black TE counterpart who was nowhere as dominant as Kmet in 2019 is getting all the hype. Wright is more athletic and 15+ pounds heavier then the black TE Tremble.

    Ben Skowronek is still recovering from his foot injury so he did not run a 40. He's a big, strong physical receiver at 6'2 22o lbs.
     
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    The relative athletic score (RAS) was developed by Kent Lee Platte (mathbomb), a Lions fan. It measures athletic ability taking into account height and weight.

    It's a good system and has some reliability in predicting NFL success. Such a system is beneficial to white athletes because it objectively shows that white athletes are athletic enough to play in the NFL.

    Here's the 2021 RAS list. Two white players that scored highly are linebackers Pete Werner and Nick Niemann. They both scored 9.51. Niemann is the brother of Chiefs linebacker Ben Niemann.

    https://relativeathleticscores.com/2021/01/23/2021-draft-class-ras/
     
  15. Leonardfan

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    Ben DeLuca's pro day numbers - 6'1" 215 - another solid workout and considering he was always around the ball - making tackles or forcing fumbles he is a hidden gem as far as I am concerned.
    4.65 40
    36" vert
    10' Broad
    15 BP
     
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    Solid workout for DeLuca. Could easily be a Tweener in NFL. You can't teach tackling ability.
     
  17. Leonardfan

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    I thought of Daniel Sorensen to be honest. Sorensen is one of the most overlooked, under-valued players in the league - he can drop back in coverage, make plays around the line of scrimmage, is a sure tackler and forces turnovers. Deluca has a similar skill set.
     
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    Lol Foxworth, the Black Power dweeb from The Undefeated once again making sure any criticism of a Black QB is deemed racist. We have to remember the context of the Black QB.
     
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    Nice find on Schaeffer. Isn't the NFL all about finding the big bodied guys with "upside"? Nary a word on Schaeffer this whole process. Honestly no white defensive players seems to be talked about at all. Werner after a very good career at Ohio St has a great workout and I see nothing on him. Merrill should be a third round plug and play guy. Heflin could easily be part of a DT rotation as a 4th/5th rounder.

    The BLM narrative has pretty much seeped into QB scouting too. We notice no outcry when it comes to Mac Jones being labeled a statue or Kyle Trask as an antiquated pocket passer. This is peak caste system - talk up Lance who was a one year FCS wonder and struggled in his only game this season and Fields - a guy who played the race card to get out of UGA and gain immediate eligibility to go to the school that has a terrible track record at producing NFL QBs.
     
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    Cool site and fun to poke around, thanks for sharing. From what I gathered, it's purely a metrics database; the player scores are calculated relative how others at their position fare, meaning that scores amongst the all-time pool are different than the current year scores only. This would obviously be favorable to white athletes because it removes the intangible variable of skin color that so many front offices prioritize.

    I saw that Ben Mason (white Michigan FB, projected late rounds to undrafted) has an 8.97 grade and Jalen Mayfield (half-black Michigan OT, projected late 1st-mid 2nd round) is below 3. You can also change a player's position to score him against a different pool. Mason was still a high 5 score as a running back, with plus size and strength, average agility, and below average speed.

    Interesting to see that Taylor Lewan (Titans OT) is the all-time gold standard with a 10.0 score.
     
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    It seems the Jets will take Zach Wilson with their first, first round pick. Interesting dynamic here I think. He comes from a well to do family and seems to be a bit of a smart aleck. If the Jets try to do a number on him like they did Darnold, will he put up with it? Such as putting inferior players out on the field and letting the better players sit on the bench. It'll be interesting to watch.
    At first, I was disappointed that Darnold was let go but now I'm happy that he got out of NY before they finished destroying him. I've got my fingers crossed with this new coach as well.
     
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    Personally I would have kept Darnold and Drafted the LT from Oregon, or traded back and accumulated more picks. Now that's done though, I'd say it works out well for all parties. New start and as others have mentioned, Darnold should add us another starter eventually in Carolina.

    Supposedly Atlanta has announced they are shopping the 4th pick.. Would love to see Chicago trade up to get Fields since they are still pouting about missing out on Watson!!
     
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    Excellent post all around but I think you’re last paragraph sums everything up nicely. 10 out of 10!

    To me, the most glaring hypocrisy is the Jones to Tua comparisons. Any criticism thrown at Jones would apply equally to Tua, but it wasn’t. Simply understanding this little trick the corporate sports media engages in unlocks understanding the Caste System.
     

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