2019 Winter Meetings Deals

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  1. Shadowlight

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    This has become a complicated three or four team deal. Somehow the Angels ended up with Dodger OF Joc Pederson. Info is still pouring in.
     
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    Good pickup for the Angels lineup and protection for Trout. With Betts to the NL, and the Angels picking up Pederson and Rendon to provide some protection, Trout should be able to dominate the AL even more than normal.
     
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    Pederson to the Angels deal fell through
     
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    Another data point in the well-documented decline of Western Civilization: Turning MLB into a reality show.

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/10/mlb-plotting-playoff-expansion-with-reality-tv-twist/amp/

    Imagine a team picking its playoff opponent. Think about Brian Cashman and the Yankees deciding whether to face the Red Sox or avoid them in the first round of the postseason. All on live TV.
    Well, it is probably coming soon to the major leagues.
    MLB is seriously weighing a move from five to seven playoff teams in each league beginning in 2022, The Post has learned.

    The plan is to have this all play out on a show on the Sunday night the regular season ends and have representatives picking teams on live TV
     
  5. Shadowlight

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    This deal got boomeranged off course when the Betts to Dodgers deal revealed some sticky matters with a pitcher going to the Twins. They rearranged things to allow Betts to sign up for his one year with the Dodgers.

    Another nauseous idea from the butt holes who run baseball. I'm beginning to wonder if these clowns including commissioner Rob Manfred even like baseball? Manfred is a horror show armed with a truck load of gimmicky modern ideas that suck as far as I am concerned.
     
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    The mostly white Dodgers got cheated, and it was common knowledge!!!!

    "The whole industry knows they've been cheating their a---- off for three or four years," an anonymous executive from a team that faced Houston in the playoffs told the Washington Post. "Everybody knew it."
    Nationals second baseman Brian Dozier also played a significant part in Washington's decoding of Houston's tactics. Dozier was a member of the Los Angeles Dodgers in 2017, the same squad that fell to Houston in the 2017 World Series.
    Several members of the Dodgers reached out to Dozier ahead of the 2019 World Series to warn him about Houston's sign-stealing tendencies, according to the report.
    Alex Cora, the Astros bench coach in 2017 and Red Sox manager for the 2018 and 2019 seasons, also played a role. Nationals manager Dave Martinez reached out to Cora ahead of the World Series, and the two spoke about what to expect, according to the Post report.
    Cora was subsequently fired by the Red Sox this offseason due to the role he played during his time in Houston in 2017.
    After gathering all the information from many sources, Washington came up with its own complex sign system. Pitchers had five different sign rotations, according to the Post report, and the Nationals catchers each wore a wristband on their arm to remember, similar to a quarterback wearing a wristband with the plays on it.
    The system worked, as Washington won all four games in Houston, winning the World Series for the first time in history.

    https://sports.yahoo.com/report-nationals-were-tipped-off-233937338.html
     
  7. Leonardfan

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    This is plain stupid. I agree with you and Shadowlight completely. Just another way to ruin the game even more. It's just like the NFL playing international games, moving combine drills to prime time etc.

    I am a little annoyed with the Betts deal. I do think it would of been nice to see Pederson on the Angels but now he is the 4th outfielder. I honestly do not think Betts is the missing piece for the Dodgers to get over the hump - the Dodgers just need to stay healthy - a healthy Justin Turner and Corey Seager will really compliment Bellinger in that lineup. I am interested to see the 2B Lux this year too.
     
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    I'm not that into the World Cup (soccer) and I believe the format will change to 48 teams soon?Anyhow, for several decades the 32 World Cup participants essentially have played a 3 game mini-season to determine which 16 go to the knockout round?

    Okay, so in the World Cup basically 16 of 32 teams make the equivalent of playoffs after just 3 games? Yet in baseball, 14 of 30 MLB teams would make the playoffs after a 162 game regular season?

    Can the regular season become even more irrelevant? MLB teams play almost every day for 6 straight months and nearly half the teams (47%) qualify for the playoffs? Are you kidding me?

    I agree, Manfred is destroying the sport to the point it's barely recognizable to anyone who's been watching since 2009? That's how quickly he's gutted the league since arriving as commissioner in 2015. First big change occurred after the 2015 All-Star break, when he immediately juiced the balls to the point even 5'6", 160 pound Latin middle infielders can hit 30 dingers per season and have little trouble hitting 430 foot opposite field HR's....As one recently retired player said in 2019, in an era gone by only Dave Kingman and Reggie Jackson types could hit opposite field HR's that hard. Now just about everyone can. And baseball has paid a steep price for this, as even casual fans realize these numbers are bogus and largely ignore gaudy HR totals. When Albert Pujols hit his 600th no one even cared! Even the rookie HR record, which was broken twice in recent years, seems to be meaningless outside of New York?

    As far as Mookie Betts, I was hoping he'd be heading to San Diego, not L.A. But let's be honest here, the Dodgers have been taking some heat for being "too white" in recent years. I really think this move to add Betts and David Price was inevitable. If they didn't trade for Betts, they would've dealt Seagar and/or Lux to Cleveland for the steroid ingesting shortstop (Lindor), who'd be lucky if he hit 7 HR's per season prior to the steroid era. If someone had to lose their starting job, I'm glad it's Joc Pedersen. To me, the Dodgers are still the team to root for. Kind of reminds me of the 2004 Astros, who were always busted for being "too white", so they went out and brought in Carlos Beltran.
     
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    MLB has disintegrated. Rob Manfred and his goons need to be escorted out of their offices with police supervision. It is mind boggling to think of all that things that have gone wrong. Manfred has done the impossible. He has made the NBA and NFL look positively like shining lights when compared to the car wreck that is MLB now.

    Manfred should also possibly be arrested as well. This SOB knew the heavily black/Latino Astros were cheating but ignored it until a white player blew the whistle and he was forced to react. And on the heels of this bogus Astros press conference with owner Jim Crane sleazing his way through lies baseball for most fans is a BS exercise in full blown deceit.

    Manfred is not only a clown but he is a coward of the greatest order. He is actively trying to whittle down white participation in the sport and done everything in his power to bring in non white players. I won't conjecture on why he wants this but he is so damn stupid he doesn't realize or care he is alienating the overwhelming white fan base that are the foundation of baseball fans.

    By the way I have made up my mind on the proposal for the reduction of minor league teams. After boning up on the issue I realized that most of the places affected would be rural areas that are predominantly white. By stripping down the minors by reducing 42 teams he is not only hurting white economic areas he is giving young white fans less exposure to the game. This fits into his grand scheme to do everything in his power to reduce the number of white players as he deliberately
    overlooks the cheating drug schemes of foreign non white players. The guy is a white hating horror show.

    Not for nothing the great cheat Alex Rodriguez, see above post, ( one of the most obnoxious athletes of all time) is all of a sudden mentioned in the Mets buyout but since Manfred is buddies with the hated Mets owners Wilpons he has allowed these deathly pricks to dangle their team with the provision the that they the Wilpons have a say on the team for five years as the sale slow mules it way to a finish. What is this shite? Either sale the team ass wipes or not. This five year crap is BS and no wonder Mets fans are contemplating murder at this point.

    If I was running baseball I would leave the 2017 World Series champion empty. Which means I would strip the Astros of the title. No I wouldn't give it to the Dodgers and I think that is unmanly anyway but I wouldn't give that Astros owner and the team the satisfaction of being in the record books.

    Still most baseball fans are totally disenchanted with what is going on. It is a nightmare. There is so much disgust in the air why hasn't it dawned on people that we need new leadership in baseball? And since the overwhelming amount of fans are middle class white people and families it would be prudent to encourage white athletes to join in on baseball. But no. They want to fill rosters with non white foreigners most of whom can't speak a lick of English. Juiced balls, stupid ass game killing new playoff proposals, deep dead teams in Tampa Bay and Miami the list of horrors is endless. There are more. Hell one idea was to play the early half of a season in Tampa Bay and the rest in Montreal? Hell things are getting so GD stupid I can't even process this crap.
     
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    A few days after that disastrous Astros press conference we are now witnessing a full scale Mutiny On The Bounty. All because of this castrated coward Rob Manfred and his phenomenal ineptitude and back room coddling of all the wrong people.

    Things are progressing to an ugliness that appears unprecedented in modern day sports. Many are convinced the Astros players including once media hero Jose Altuve, were wearing cheating buzzer devices underneath their uniforms. Many feel Altuve was wearing one win he hit the series clinching home run against the Yankees last season which is why he wouldn't allow his teammates to rip off his shirt? This was not reported in the baseball final report.

    Now the rest of the league is steaming mad. High profile players like Cody Bellinger are speaking out against the cheating and the clincher is teams are contemplating throwing at the Astros batters as payback. Baseball is one of those sports where players feel that wrongs must be righted. This has ugly implications but it just goes to show us what a league without proper leadership will descend to if there is no one to right the ship.

    There are growing calls ( me included) for baseball to vacate the 2017 World Series which would mean stripping the Astros of the title and essentially leaving the winner column blank.

    There are also calls to remove Manfred. He has compounded the mess by coming up with ludicrous rule changes including having relief pitchers have to pitch to a minimum of three batters. The same clown who complained about the length of games wanting to install egg timers on pitchers and batters yet he is more than willing to allow more electronic video reviews of plays that are worse offenders when it comes to slowing down the pace of play.

    Below is a list of the minor league teams on the chopping blocks along with an article that slams the proposal. On the list is the Double A Chattanooga Lookouts one of the most beloved, iconic and historical teams. Manfred seems to me like some subversive enemy hell bent on destroying the game of baseball.

    http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2019/...s-spent-hundreds-of-millions-on-stadiums-for/

    And below is another article slamming Manfred for his new schemes and rule changes.

    https://www.bnd.com/sports/mlb/st-louis-cardinals/cheap-seats-blog/article240297291.html
     
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    It is refreshing to see the players come out and criticize the Astros. I also saw that Correa came out yesterday to defend fellow latino Altuve - just showing they will stick together. Regarding the celebration and the team not ripping off his jersey - Correa made up the lame excuse that Altuve did not want to have a bad tattoo on his should be displayed on TV - below is an excerpt from the interview - it's behind a paywall so I could not post the whole article. He also said their World Series title was won fairly. Dusty Baker has also come out to say that the MLB needs to take preemptive measures to make sure the Astros players are not thrown at when the season comes around. Manfred will probably come down harder on any player who is enforcing the unwritten rules of baseball than he did on the Astros players who cheated there way to a world series. It also seems the Alex Bregman is becoming the target of everyones anger against the Astros predictably. I feel Altuve benefited more than anyone. I think Manfred is a terrible commissioner for all of the reasons Shadowlight has brought up - this is just icing on the cake. As someone who grew up as a baseball fan and with an appreciation for the history of the game I feel what the Astros did makes Pete Rose's gambling look like small potatoes yet Rose's lifetime ban is upheld and the Astros organization and players get to continue playing with nothing but a slap on the wrist.

    Shadowlight and Knightersoldier5000 - I really enjoy your passion and knowledge of baseball. Thanks for the posts!


    The Athletic


    So when he’s running from third base to home plate, I’m the guy up front. The first one waiting for him. He’s like, “Don’t take my shirt off.” The second reason — he doesn’t want me to talk about this, but I’m going to say it, is because he’s got an unfinished tattoo on his collarbone that honestly looked terrible. It was a bad tattoo, and he didn’t want nobody to see it. He didn’t want to show it at all.

    So, one, he didn’t want to take his shirt off because his wife had told my wife earlier in the year for me to not do that. So he was telling me not to do it. And, number two, he had an unfinished tattoo that looked kinda bad that he didn’t want people to see and people to talk about. That was the reason.
     
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    If this happens it'll most likely be another Magic Johnson/Dodgers scenario (where Johnson actually only has 5% ownership of the team but is the public "face" of ownership for PR purposes).
     
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    Bellinger, Darvish, Bryant, and now Trout all bashing the Astros as a bunch of worthless cheaters. This has to be unprecedented with major stars coming out bashing other players and the commissioner. During the roid scandal all the MLB players kept their mouths shut. This has to be the worst form of cheating of all time in MLB. Way worse than roids.

    Angels star Mike Trout rips Astros, calls for more punishment

    "I noticed the banging on the bat," Trout said. "It just feels like they weren't missing pitches."
    "It's sad for baseball," Trout said. "It's tough. They cheated. I don't agree with the punishments, the players not getting anything. It was a player-driven thing. It sucks, too, because guys' careers have been affected, a lot of people lost jobs. It was tough. Me going up to the plate knowing what was coming -- it would be pretty fun up there."
    "But it would be fun," he repeated. Trout said a few members of the Astros reached out personally to explain what happened, but it didn't sound as if that was good enough.
    "I lost some respect for some guys," Trout said. "... All the stuff coming out, it's tough to see."

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...-mike-trout-rips-astros-calls-more-punishment
     
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    Dodgers' Justin Turner irate with 'out of touch' commissioner Rob Manfred

    An offseason of anger for the Los Angeles Dodgers again boiled over Monday as third baseman Justin Turner took aim at Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manfred.
    Turner took umbrage with the commissioner's characterization of the World Series trophy a day after Manfred called it a "piece of metal" when talking with ESPN's Karl Ravech about the possibility of stripping the Houston Astros of their 2017 title.

    "I don't know if the commissioner has ever won anything in his life," Turner told reporters Monday, according to the Los Angeles Times. "Maybe he hasn't. But the reason every guy's in this room, the reason every guy is working out all offseason, and showing up to camp early and putting in all the time and effort is specifically for that trophy, which, by the way, is called the commissioner's trophy.
    "So for him to devalue it the way he did yesterday just tells me how out of touch he is with the players in this game. At this point the only thing devaluing that trophy is that it says 'commissioner' on it."

    "Now anyone who goes forward and cheats to win a World Series, they can live with themselves knowing that, 'Oh, it's OK. ... We'll cheat in the World Series and bring the title back to L.A. Screw [manager] Dave Roberts and screw [general manager] Andrew [Friedman]. It's just those guys losing their jobs. I still get to be called a champion the rest of my life.' So the precedent was set by him yesterday in this case."
    Turner added that he doesn't think Manfred did enough to uncover everything the Astros may have been doing in their sign-stealing scheme. The league's investigation revealed a system in which the Astros were able to decipher a catcher's signs in real time and relay them to the batter via bangs on a trash can.
    "I think it all comes down to everyone keeps saying, 'The facts, the facts. You don't know the facts. These are the facts,' " Turner said. "I don't think anyone knows the facts. I think everyone just wants to hear all the facts. And I think that the commissioner didn't do a good job of revealing all the facts to us. I still think there's some stuff we don't know."
    Turner is the latest member of the Dodgers, losers of the 2017 World Series to the Astros, to sound off about Houston.
    Closer Kenley Jansen called the Astros' cheating "worse than steroids." Right-hander Ross Stripling said he would "lean toward yes" when asked whether he'd bean a Houston player if he were given the chance in a game. And reigning NL MVP Cody Bellinger went scorched earth, going as far as to say the Astros stole the 2017 World Series from the Dodgers and that Houston second baseman Jose Altuve stole the AL MVP award that year from Aaron Judge of the Yankees.

    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...n-turner-irate-touch-commissioner-rob-manfred
     
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    "It's like the Olympics," Darvish said from Cubs camp Sunday. "When a player cheats, you can't have a gold medal, right? But they still have a World Series title. It [feels] weird."
    Pitching for the Los Angeles Dodgers in that World Series, Darvish previously said he doubted himself after getting rocked in Games 3 and 7. At first, he was told he was the one tipping his pitches, but he now wonders whether the Astros stole the signs.
    "Was I tipping, or were they stealing?" Darvish asked last month.

    "So they cheat, I think they shouldn't talk right now," Darvish said referencing Carlos Correa's comments about Cody Bellinger. "Some people lost their job. They have to show more apology. I don't feel anything from those guys."
    Darvish compiled a 21.60 ERA over his two games pitched before going to free agency after the 2017 season. He ended up signing a six-year, $126 million contract with the Cubs, who admitted they might have taken advantage of other teams being scared off after his World Series performance.
    "I know they were stealing signs, but at the same time, I was not good during the World Series," Darvish said. "I'm better for what I went through. But, yeah, everyone is wondering about [their numbers] pitching against them."


    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28717080/ex-dodgers-pitcher-yu-darvish-astros-stripped-title
     
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    3 batter minimum rule coming to MLB. Not sure i disagree with it to be honest. I suffered many years watching the "genius" Tony LaRussa bring pitchers in all game long to face just one batter, it's cowardly and annoying when watching the game. A reliever should be able to pitch longer than one batter like in the old days of sutter, tekulve, fingers etc.

    Three-batter minimum
    Pitchers will be required to either face a minimum of three batters or pitch to the end of a half-inning, with exceptions to be made in case of injury or illness. Currently, Rule 5.10(f) states that the starting pitcher must pitch to one batter until that batter is put out or reaches base, and Rule 5.10(g) states that any reliever must pitch to one batter until that batter is put out or reaches base, or the offensive team is put out
     
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    I agree with Shadowlight that the reduction in minor league teams is just MLB's attempt to load up on foreign roided up latinos and deprive white communities of the national past time. Small cities that have probably spent millions in taxpayer money in order to keep their teams are going to get screwed over. On the bright side, these teams bring in non-white scum that try to rape white women to small whiter communities, so it's no loss in that regard.
     
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    The foolish Braves will regret signing worthless Marcell Ozuna. How many ABs will be stolen from Nick Markakis in his quest for 3,000 because of this idiotic signing?

     
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    Something i've rarely heard discussed is why a national sports league like MLB should consist largely of foreign players? It's insane for any nation to allow it's "heroes" to be comprised of a large contingent of foreigners. Of course, that's a topic that isn't even allowed to be discussed and would be dismissed out of hand since our national religion is "diversity."
     
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    The "Cardinal way" is to ruin young players' professional careers by making them languish in the minor leagues or on the bench until they're about 26 or 27 years old. ( see matt carpenter for example). Then, they have no chance to become major stars or rack up huge career stats like the latinos that get to play at 20 years of age or even younger.

    This year, the Cardinals continue to give unwarranted at bats to Dexter Fowler, who was signed to a huge long term contract because the cardinals were coming under intense criticism for not having any blacks on the team. And we were assured that darkies like ozuna and edgar renteria didn't "count" as black since they were latinos. So this year, the cardinals are sticking with Fowler in RF, Harrison Bader (white) in CF gets another shot, and LF appears to be a free for all. Tyler Oneal, who has shown incredible power, enters his age 25 season still not really getting a chance except for part time work. Will he get a chance to play this year? Doubtful. he does strike out too much, but he could easily hit 30+ HRs. The major deficiency in his abilities is that he lacks that sweet sweet diversity.

    31 HRs in AAA at age 22
    26 HRs in AAA at age 23 in 238 ABs

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/o/oneilty01.shtml
     
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    Another Latino cheater

    MLB announced that Astros pitcher Francis Martes has been suspended 162 games for testing positive for Boldenone, an anabolic steroid. It is the 24-year-old’s second offense in two years
     
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    Just like everything in this once great country, non-Whites and jews are ruining baseball. Cheating is through the roof because 3rd world people do not adhere to the same principles of honor and fair-play that Whites have. It’s literally alien to their culture. Couple that with the economic pressures to use baseball to lift oneself out of extreme poverty and the case to cheat is a no-brainer.

    Then you have all the jewish owners who buy teams for investment purposes and tank the teams competitiveness through their ineptitude and cheapness. See the Wilpons. They also fleece the taxpayers by demanding new stadiums be built with public monies or else they’ll move the team. Is there anything more jewish than this sort of financial ransoming?

    I’ve always loved baseball since I was a kid but I get the sickening feeling that it’s being hollowed out to the point of being unrecognizable. Again it’s the same feeling I get when thinking about the United States.
     
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    Well said. Baseball was far and away my favorite sport when I was young, but it became hollowed out to me a long time ago. Same with all sports to varying degrees; the more the Caste System can be foisted upon a sport, the more corrupt it becomes but everything in society has been methodically tainted and ruined from the top-down, a major part of the process of which enables and encourages the bottom-up assault, with good old Whitey always caught and squeezed out in the middle, oblivious to how and why it's happening -- and when properly trained often eagerly cheering on his own demise.
     
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    Great post, as usual, Freethinker. This absolutely, also, holds true for the serious steroid abuse that is still rampant in baseball, despite the bull$hit put forth by the mainstream, Jewish media that baseball is almost completely steroid free. Only a fool would believe diminutive Golems like Jose Altuve, Ozzie Albies and Jose Ramirez could hit the amount HR's at their sizes. Currently at 5' 7", 160 pound, Ozzie Albies, for example, got a 35 power rating (lowest possible) from scouts when he signed as a 16 year old from Curacao. Expectation was he'd be a career slap hitter/base stealer, in the mold of Rafael Furcal? Yet by the age of 22 he had hit a total of 54 HR's (basically two seasons)and has no problem hitting 400 (plus) HR's to the opposite field. How does that happen?

    I just saw "Boston Legend" David Ortiz has joined Pedro Martinez in claiming ex-Astros pitcher Mike Fiers is a "snitch" (not a "whistle-blower") for ratting out his ex-team (Houston Astros) in the cheating scam. As you noted, in their culture, cheating, stealing and over criminality must be okay? I guess anything to make millions of Shekels from the stupid Goyim that root for them, knowing full well they are cheaters?

    By the way, even recently demoted ESPN analyst Jessica Mendoza, a tall, lighter skinned American-born Latin woman, who is very articulate and comes off as being intelligent, agreed that Fiers is a "snitch". That took me by surprise, you'd figure she'd have a different attitude, but in the end she seems no better than your average MS-13 hood-rat, gang banger in her native Mexifornia? Her opinion probably cost her a cushy consulting job with the Mets, as she effectively condoned cheating in baseball.
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    I'm sure Shadowlight will hate this idea, as much as Trevor Bauer does. In this recent rant against Rob Manfred, Bauer brought up something I had forgotten about: In order to cut down on strikeouts, Manfred has proposed moving the pitching mound back to 62 feet. It's been 60 feet, 6 inches for well over 100 years, I suppose? Only a total money hungry jackal, disguised as Commissioner who loves his sport, would ever put forth something so silly and radical. As Tim Kurkjian of ESPN said, once they stop "juicing the ball", the majority of hitters in the league (I say 90% of the Latin players?) will adjust their swings and stop trying to launch the ball into the air once they realize their best, hardest swing will only reach the "warning track". Therefore, instead of trying to hit opposite field HR's every at bat, they'll choke up a bit, simply trying to make contact. Being tougher against steroid use will also help keep strikeouts down for similar reasons. This will also speed up the game, as every 5'6" to 5'10", 160 to 175 pound Latin player won't intentionally foul off a million pitches, fully expecting to get the "right pitch", which they can drive 430 feet out of the park.
     
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