2019 Winter Meetings Deals

Discussion in 'Baseball' started by Shadowlight, Dec 12, 2019.

  1. Shadowlight

    Shadowlight Master

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,791
    There have been two huge signings so far.

    The Yankees nabbed starting ace Gerrit Cole for a humungous long term contract. I still wonder if they are going to resign OF Brett Gardner and most rumors suggest they will. I sure hope so. he was a key player for them last season. The addition of Cole catapults the Yankees as preseason favorites to win the World Series.

    The Angels were also pursuing Cole but have redirected their energies and just signed a healthy 7 year contract with Nationals star 3B Anthony Rendon. This is a great addition to their lineup ( he is also a fine defensive player) and is a much needed addition to prevent teams from pitching around Mike Trout. The Rendon/Trout combo is the deadliest in the MLB now.

    The Angels still need pitching and my understanding is they are looking for a quality front line starter. But with Strasburg resigning with the Nationals and striking out with Cole the pitcher pool is shrinking although there are still a few very good pitchers out there for the taking.
     
  2. Shadowlight

    Shadowlight Master

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,791
    Happy to report the Yankees signed OF Brett Gardner to a one year deal with an option for a second year. This is great. I get all the Yankee games where I live and keeping Brett keeps the Yankees from going nearly full hog caste.

    One of my favorite MLB players for years now Brett will be the only Yankee on the roster who has won a World Series. He was a part time player in 2009 when they won. He batted .270 and stole 26 bases and was only caught 5 times that year. I would love to write his biography. The ultimate underdog he came from a small college to become an MLB regular for the most famous team in all of sports.

    Without doubt the team leader he will be an MLB manager sooner than later but he also is still a viable and speedy player of worth. Last season he set a career high in home runs and had one of his best seasons. See below respectful article by The Daily News.

    https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/...0191212-yf3f2navr5bcrf6rfch56kna2q-story.html

    This signing pretty much assures Gardner will retire as a Yankee which is nice. How often do teams stick with a white player, especially one who plays a "speed position" for over ten years who isn't considered a "star?" Known for his grit and hustle he is my type of player. Much like football star Julian Edelman. But unlike Julian, Brett won't be a Hall Of Famer. But that's OK I still root for him like hell.
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2019
  3. Shadowlight

    Shadowlight Master

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,791
    I did some research regarding the "uniqueness" of the long term Yankee/Brett Gardner partnership. Indeed it is really unique especially for a white outfielder who hasn't been considered a star.

    Brett reached the majors in 2008 and was a 3rd round pick out of the College of Charleston in 2005. Like a lot of mid level college talent types he wasn't some 21 year old major league prodigy. He was never considered a sure thing and most figured he could slip in as an extra outfielder. He was around 25 when he made his MLB debut. We aren't talking Mike Trout here.

    He won a Gold Glove in 2016 and was named to the All Star team in 2015. In 2011 he tied for the lead in AL stolen bases with 49. In 2013 he led the AL in triples with 10. Those awards and stats do not compare to outfield contemporaries of his that have stayed with the same team for years like Alex Gordon (KC) and Ryan Braun (Brewers) who were both top 5 draft picks. And Gordon has been an All Star at least 3 times and has won 7 Gold Gloves. Braun has been an All Star more times than that and won an MVP too. Charlie Blackmon of the Rockies has also been a mainstay for years but he too has been a multi year All Star. Not sure I should count him since he was originally drafted by the Marlins?

    Only two current players who I could come up with vaguely resemble Gardner. Kole Calhoun has been with the Angels for about 8 years and Kevin Kiermaier has been patrolling CF for Tampa Bay for about 6 years. Neither are considered stars although KK is considered a top flight defender and has won multiple gold gloves. But these two still have a ways to go to match Gardner's stay with the Yankees. KK won his 3rd Gold Glove this past season and Calhoun has won one in his career.

    At the end of the day it is very unusual for a team to stick with a white or perhaps even a non white outfielder like Gardner for over a decade, a player who isn't considered a certifiable star. He dedicated himself to a new nutrition/ workout offseason coming off a down year in 2018 and it paid off. He played in 141 games and set a career high in home runs (28) and RBIs (74) and didn't wilt at the end of the season which had been a problem in past years. He ended up with a solid .251 average but when you factor in his long at bats and walks, not all that bad. And he is still a speedster even at 36 years old! His defense is rock solid. His leadership skills have been pronounced and all of his teammates look up to him.

    Again good for him and here is hoping Brett squeezes out another good year or two. The fact that he will get to retire as a Yankee, the team that drafted him, is a good story.
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2019
  4. Carolina Speed

    Carolina Speed Master

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2011
    Messages:
    3,558
    Madison Bumgarner and The Arizona Diamonds have apparently reached an agreement. 5 years, 85 million. Preliminary reports had the Dodgers very interested. That would have been interesting had he gone to LA.
     
  5. Freethinker

    Freethinker Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2008
    Messages:
    4,330
    Location:
    Brooklyn, New York
    MadBum strikes me as a conservative, country living kinda man. Maybe he wanted to get out of the liberal cesspools of Commiefornia? In Arizona he can get a nice ranch outside of Phoenix and go hunting and fishing up north a bit. Plus he gets to stay in the NL and bat. Seems like a good fit.
     
  6. Bucky

    Bucky Mentor

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2018
    Messages:
    1,489
  7. Shadowlight

    Shadowlight Master

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,791
    After an MLB investigation the Astros got whacked for their cheating schemes in 2017 the year they won the WS. They were fined five million and lost their first round draft picks for 2020 and 2021. Manager AJ Hinch was suspended for a year as was their GM. Then the owner promptly fired both of them.

    Meanwhile Red Sox manager and media hero Alex Cora was heavily implicated but his punishment won't come down until they finish their investigation on the Red Sox of 2018 the year they won the WS. Cora was an Astros bench coach in 2017 before becoming the Red Sox manager in 2018.

    Bitter irony here is that the loser in each of those tainted world series match ups was the very white LA Dodgers.

    Word is Cora is going to get nailed pretty good so don't expect him in the dug out for the Red Sox this season.

    The odd thing is AJ Hinch wasn't actively involved and even expressed distaste for the electronic cheating but he never banned it. The creepy cheat Astro players ( heavily non black position player team) claim they would have stopped the cheating if Hinch had put his foot down, the old throw somebody under the bus routine. The players suffered no punishments.

    I am sure Truthteller will have something to say about this development.
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2020 at 8:14 PM
  8. Shadowlight

    Shadowlight Master

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    2,791
    The Red Sox reading the tea leaves have said goodbye to Alex Cora anticipating his soon to be announced suspension.

    Someone pointed out the Astros have low first round draft picks so the "penalty" isn't all that severe and neither is the drop in the bucket 5 million dollar fine. And I guess fearing litigation Manfred and the boys decided to let the players go free. Instead they nailed management.

    Then there is the case of Carlos Beltran who was the only player mentioned in the report but was not punished because he also was a player. Like Cora he was knee deep in the cheating scheme. The "problem" however is he was named the Mets manager. So while MLB baseball won't punish Beltran will the Mets back off after these reports? I would be a tad surprised if that happened.

    MLB did not mess with the Astros "international drafting budget" which pretty much follows their anti white pattern. This is a sport that is actively trying to reduce the number of white players. And turning the other cheek to allow non white foreign players to beat the drug testing with new sophisticated methods. And the media in this case has been totally silent.

    And not for nothing the biggest losers in this cheating scheme is the Dodgers the whitest team in baseball. Good grief the anti white theme in MLB these days runs deep. We don't even know if MLB knew all about this cheating but were forced to react after a former white pitcher from the Astros became a whistle blower?

    For a sport that is most popular with middle class white folk MLB runs things like some demented crime syndicate. As bad as the NFL and the NBA are MLB goes that extra mile to screw things up beyond repair.

    Cheating in baseball is nothing new. It has been a staple of the sport for ages. The one positive I take out of this is maybe this electronic stealing of signs ordeal will be curbed after all this is done.

    Of course baseball is not to be trusted on any level. They own the company who makes baseballs and they had them "study" the juiced ball situation. That is like asking DuPont to fund a study on the negative affects of some chemicals.
     
    Last edited: Jan 14, 2020 at 8:30 PM
  9. La France Blanche

    La France Blanche Mentor

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2016
    Messages:
    1,260
    The Astros "won" the 2017 Series 4 games to 3 (against the white-friendly Dodgers). In Game 5, the Dodgers scored 12 runs without knowing what pitches were coming. The Astros scored 13. How many of those runs were because of the cheating? All it had to be was one, and that would have changed everything.

    Also, it should be pointed out that if the situation were reversed (the white-friendly Dodgers cheating against the brown Latino Astros), this would be the biggest story in sports media, with endless sob stories about 'scriminayshun and uh-pression and Trump's fault, and the punishments would have been much harsher, likely with multiple white Dodger players/managers Pete Rosed (banned for life). But since it's brownie doing it to whitey, the sentence is modest, as is the size of the headlines.

    The players not getting punished - do the powers that be really expect us to believe that they all dindu nuffins?
     
    Last edited: Jan 15, 2020 at 1:31 AM
  10. booth

    booth Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    429
    Location:
    n.c.
    For years sports teams and athletes have watch film to gain an advantage over their opponents. One of the best examples of this was the Louis vs Schmeling fight. Schmeling was a huge underdog in the fight, but he had seen a flaw in Louis's style and knock the negro out. Should Schmeling be punished for seeing something on tape he could use against Louis? Ever football, baseball, basketball team send scouts to games to see if they can pick up one thing to win the game, along with watching hours of tape. Why after all these years did MLB decide to take a moral stance on something that has been going on since the game was invented?
     
  11. FootballDad

    FootballDad Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    4,614
    Location:
    Somewhere near Kansas City, MO
    In baseball trying to steal signs has always been part of the gamesmanship. But this was different. The Astros had a center-field camera fixed on the catcher's signs which was relayed to the dugout on a live-feed monitor. Once they figured out the signs, the pitch coming was relayed to the batter by banging garbage cans or whatever. A bit different than Louis vs Schmeling.
     
  12. booth

    booth Guru

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2015
    Messages:
    429
    Location:
    n.c.
    I guess what I was trying to ask was why did MLB decide now was the time to suspend and fined people for what has been going on forever and frankly has become part of the game. The stealing of signs is really a time- honored tradition in baseball. I have heard many ex-player talk about attempting to steal signs in their playing days. I will admit the Astros might have gone just a tad too far.
     
  13. FootballDad

    FootballDad Hall of Famer

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    4,614
    Location:
    Somewhere near Kansas City, MO
    MLB has nothing against the time-honored attempts to gain an advantage. The use of electronics to monitor and steal is what the violation is all about. And unlike the hit or miss (literally) nature of 1st and 3rd base coaches trying to figure out signs, a camera zoomed in while monitoring the pitches, and then relaying signs in from the dugout made it so that the hitters knew EXACTLY what was coming, no guessing required. That is a major cheat.
     
  14. Truthteller

    Truthteller Mentor

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2009
    Messages:
    1,132
    Booth, here is actually direct evidence of George Springer cheating and hitting a moonshot because of it. Poor, beleaguered Chris Flexen of the New York Mets, if the juiced balls and the rampant steroid abuse all around baseball isn't enough, he has to deal with slimy bench coaches like Alex Cora (Astros 2017) striking Trash Cans to signal his off speed pitches are on the way. Million kudos to Chicago White Sox pitcher Danny Farquhar for being able to realize the banging and cheating in real time, despite all the crowd noise....There is no way to spin this, what the Astros did was horrific, they basically rigged an entire season and cheated to win a World Series against a much better team. Also, think about the link above. George Springer is supposed to be a MVP caliber MLB player, a true "franchise player", yet he had to cheat against Chris Flexen, who recently left to play in Korea, after posting awful MLB stats for parts of the last three years? Why exactly did Springer need such an edge over Flexen?

    Booth, here is what an ex-Oakland A's player wrote in response to a question very similar to yours. This appears on a Dodgers message board. I think it's a great reply:

    As a former MLB player you are right. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. As long as you are doing it with your own two eyes from a position on the field such as a dugout or 2b. You see in baseball the players can police that. But when you are using technology to cheat it becomes something the players themselves cannot police and that my friend is not good for the game. I'm sad to see my former teammate caught up in this but he ****** knows better. He should have stopped it in its tracks.



    Great overall post Shadow. But to keep things brief, I'll focus on the point above. Yes, absolutely, MLB should've went after the Astros "international drafting budget" in a significant way. Perhaps barred them from signing foreign born players for one or two years, in addition to the draft picks being taken away?

    For all the high first round picks the Astros hit on last decade, fact remains they totally whiffed on two #1 overall picks (Appel & Aiken have never played in the Majors) and still built a World Series caliber team. Why should they fret merely losing two low first rounders and low second rounders that come out to like 70th overall, once compensation picks are added between round one and two?
     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2020 at 11:22 PM

Share This Page