2019 NFL Draft

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  1. Bucky

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    What happened to Zach Allen's draft stock since his season ended? We were led to believe as early as August that he was a sure-fire first round pick, with the potential to go in the top half of round one (#16 or earlier). Even former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah over at NFL.com had him going earlier than #16 overall during the college season. Suddenly, come January he was a likely mid-to latter round second pick because he didn't impress enough nerdy draft experts during scrimmages at the Senior Bowl? Suddenly the Ryan Kerrigan and Patrick Kerney comparisons no longer apply, because of a few practices in Mobile?

    Didn't Allen miss his teams' Bowl game (which wound up being canceled in the first quarter) due to a lingering leg injury? Is it possible that the "nagging injury" might've affected his play just 3 weeks after, during All-Star practices? Or did he slide due to the "amazing upside potential" of several declared underclassmen and total no-bodies from places like Old Dominion that "really impressed" at Senior Bowl practices?

    Usually, I don't watch much college football at all, but went out of my watch to watch at least 4 or 5 Boston College games last fall. Allen looked to me like a slam-dunk first round athlete, just as Jeremiah was describing. And B.C.'s sumo-like white defensive tackle, Ray Smith, looked like a potential Kyle Williams at best; Beau Allen rotational type/part time starter at worst? Even fair and respected ESPN play-by-play man Sean McDonough said coaches told him the California native was very draft worthy?

    What's Ray's "deal", does he have a serious chance of getting drafted or is he being "Caste aside" due to the hard (((racial quota's))) the NFL seems to have adopted since the completion of the 1989 NFL Draft and the exist of longtime commissioner Pete Rozelle that same year?
     
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    Truthteller,

    I saw a blurb on weenieworld a few days ago and searched for more info on him and found another blurb that contradicts the more recent one:


    NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein believes that Boston College DT Ray Smith won't be able to play nose at the NFL level.
    Smith (6'1/305) was a big part of the Boston College defense's ability to plug up the run, and had a strong Pro Day/solid showing at the Collegiate Bowl. His chances of carrying that over to the highest level, however, are in doubt -- at least to Zierlein, anyway. "Smith's strength at the point of attack is adequate by NFL standards but his lack of functional length and interior disruption hurts his chances for success," he writes. "Smith's pro day testing forces more tape study, but the lack of disruption and pass rush are unlikely to change which makes a role as a rotational nose tackle unlikely."


    Boston College senior DT Ray Smith accepted an invitation to the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl.
    Smith (6'1/305) was a stout defender in the middle of the Boston College defense, starting most of his time with the Eagles at the nose tackle position. That's not a position that typically piles up the stats, but he helps linebackers free up by taking of space and not allowing lineman to get to the second level. A strong showing at events like the NFLPA event will go a long way towards getting Smith looks as a draftable prospect, as teams are always looking for players that can plug up the run.



    A 3-4 Nose tackle in the ACC - supposedly the second best conference in CFB is not able to translate to playing the position at the next level? BS. BC's defense - especially the front 7 have been a solid unit for the past few years. A nose tackle's job is to take on opposing blockers and free up space for other players to make tackle. Not sure how he can have a lack of functional strength since he was dealing with double teams and 280-300+lb OL every game. Kelly Gregg was great at this while playing the position for Baltimore in the 2000s. Chris Hoke stepped in for an injured Casey Hampton one year (Mid 2000s I think?) and the defense did not miss a beat.

    Ray Smith put up 27 reps of 225lbs at his pro day and ran a 4.90 40 for a 6'1 305lb player. Hopefully his fellow BC teammates Chris Lindstrom and Zach Allen pulling in scouts/nfl personnel evaluators to the pro day will give Ray Smith some well deserved exposure and elevate his stock.
     
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    Zach Allen did suffer what I thought was an ankle injury I believe in their last game of the season but any information on his injury was hidden for some reason. And yes BC's bowl game was canceled due to lightening.

    Allen's status was demoted after the Senior Bowl and the combine. His fall from grace reminded me of Sam Hubbard the previous year. Like Hubbard but even bigger Allen is a naturally large player. And like Hubbard he has no idea how to run a 40 yard dash. But caste marinated draft gurus know that is a black staple so they pivot all of their opinions on the dash which has nothing to do with DE play as far as I can tell.



    Allen displayed explosion on tape. Every BC game I saw he dominated. As noted above he will also swat balls like flies in the NFL. He blocked a kick at the Senior bowl

    But as the caste take on his combine is predictable a closer look at the more applicable tests reveal a good athlete for such a big man. He had a 32 inch vertical and a 4.36 shuttle which was the 5th fastest among defensive ends. And he is much bigger than the other DEs at the combine. Also his 1.65 ten yard split confirms how he played on tape. That is fantastic for a player of his girth. The ten yard split is what is important for defensive ends. Explosive, agile, strong and quick for a player who is so huge.

    Sam Hubbard was the 77th pick last year. My guess is Allen will be chosen before that. He could still slip into the first round but I suspect early to mid second round. I agree he is a can't miss prospect in my book too. And a throw back to a time when big tough players played on defensive lines. These days teams are overloaded with undersized black edge players who get swallowed up in the run game. And don't have a lick of tough. Allen defines toughness.
     
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    Much discussed and ballyhooed WR prospect DK Metcalf to me is a template for a steroid player. Has the question ever been asked beyond this website are black athletes using performance enhancing drugs as early as high school?

    As young black players often burn 40 yard dash times at these caste camps why is it that the white athletes seem, in general, to perform better in the agility drills?

    Steroid use will help you run a faster 40, jump higher and longer. It does not help in the agility drills.

    If I was a scout I would keep a close eye on the discrepancy level between the 40 yard dash and the 20 yard shuttle. Often I see very fast 40 yard dash black athletes run a slower than expected 20 yard shuttle. I have also often seen a slower white player in the 40 yard dash score a better 20 yard shuttle time than the black athlete who scorched the 40.

    The Bills are often mentioned as picking Metcalf. God I hope not.

    There are a "few" scouts worried he might be on something. Wake up. He is on something. He is cut like Joe Weider for crying out loud.

    His 4.33 40 and 40 1/2 vertical had the media weeping in worship. Might as well mention he ran a 7.38 60 cone. For the record Zach Allen ran a 7.34.

    It gets better. Metcalf ran a 4.5 20 yard shuttle. Translation: he can't turn or swivel or anything other than run fast in a straight line. For the record gigantic Zach Allen ran a 4.36 20 yard shuttle as I mentioned above. An enormous lineman is more agile than what many think is the greatest athlete they have ever seen.

    Connect the dots. Metcalf is a great example of a steroid user. And he isn't the only one by any stretch.

    Take a look at the builds of most of the black defensive backs. They look like mini body builders. Hell it would take a lot of bar bell work to attain those builds. And even then I am not so sure. Something don't look right to me. I used to work out in gyms and nobody was built like these dudes except for the guys we knew were on steroids.

    Then look at safeties Troy Apke from last year and Chris Johnson from this year. They don't look like body builders. They look like what white safeties used to look like in the NFL.

    I shake my head in disbelief. I can't believe these black athletes are all natural.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback, Leonardfan. In a very rare instance, it seems like one of Weenieworld's writers was fairly complimentary towards a white defensive tackle. But notice at the end, however, he/she/it claims Ray needed to continue to impress even more, after a strong ACC career, in order to get looks as a draftable prospect? According to ESPN's Sean McDonough, as I noted above, Boston College's defensive coaches told him in no uncertain terms Ray was a draftable prospect? I guess that's meaningless, as it's more important that a Net Caste clown like Lance Zierlein or nerdy Weenieworld founder Gregg Rostenthal deem him "draftworthy"?

    Actually in the end, they will probably be proven correct due to the Caste system, which overtly discriminates against white defenders. A few years back I remember how impressed I was with Wisconsin nose tackle Beau Allen, who looked to me like a sure fire 4th round pick (even with the Caste system), at the very least. Allen was selected in the 7th round, and only because for a brief period the Eagles were not totally hostile towards whites due to Chip Kelly at head coach. If Beau lasted to round 7, Ray would be very lucky to be drafted at all, mostly due to racial reasons.

    Nice Zach Allen post, Shadowlight. Isn't it weird that obviously talented prospects like Allen and Sam Hubbard are downgrading, in large part, due to their 40 yard dash times? Wasn't the 40 originally intended (back in the 1960?) to judge a special team gunner's ability to get down field in order to cover a typical (at that time) 40 yard NFL punt? I can understand why it might also be somewhat important for receivers, defensive backs, tailbacks and perhaps even tight ends and linebackers, but for offensive and defensive lineman? How often will they need to run 40 yards down field to make a tackle or score a long touchdowns on a turnover? I would think vertical leap, short area quickness and explosion (shuttle and cone times) might be deemed more important in a sane world. Particularly for an extremely agile and athletic defensive end that is a few large pizza's away from 300 pounds.

    One other quick note: Ironic you are bringing up a safety named Johnson? I remember earlier this decade the Dallas Cowboys selected a safety named Matt Johnson from Eastern Washington in round 4. So what, you might say? Per my recollection, no one here at Caste Football even knew he was on the NFL's radar. Believe it or not, we only found out about him being a serious prospect on draft Saturday. Needless to say, that was a huge (pleasant) surprise to all us. Who knows, perhaps lightning will strike twice and Chris Johnson will also be selected in round 4? Actually, 4th round seems to be where NFL teams are allowed to begin chasing lesser known, white safety's. Chris Prosinski, Matt Giordano and Brannon Condren (sp?) (Colts) are other examples. By the way, Matt Johnson looked like the real deal for the Cowboys. They were very high on him and saw him as a starter, but he kept having leg issues (hamstrings) and was eventually pushed out of the league too soon. Let's hope fellow 4th ound pick Troy Apke doesn't go down that road with never-ending hamstring problems.
     
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  7. Leonardfan

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    Here are my final most realistic rankings with estimated draft range. I don't believe this is where these players deserve to get drafted but I believe these are the best case scenarios when taking the caste system into effect. The notable UDFAs are players that I feel could have an outside shot at being selected. I believe there are 71 total players listed below and based upon draft history and trends I have over-estimated the number of white players to be drafted.

    QB
    Drew Lock 1st
    Daniel Jones 1st-2nd
    Will Grier 3rd-4th
    Clayton Thorson 3rd-4th
    Brett Rypien 4th-6th
    Jarret Stidham 4th-6th
    Easton Stick 5th-7th
    Ryan Finley 5th-7th
    Gardner Minshew 6th-7th
    Jacob Dolegala 6th-7th

    Notable UDFAs
    Trace McSorely **position change
    Nick Fitzgerald **position change
    Eric Dungey
    Kyle Shurmur

    RB/FB
    Alec Ingold 6TH-7TH

    Notable UDFAs
    Patrick Laird
    AJ Oulette
    Sam McPherson

    WR
    Andy Isabella 2nd-3rd
    Davils Sills 3rd-4th
    Hunter Renfrom 5th-7th
    Cody Thompson 5th-7th

    Notable UDFAs
    Michael Walker
    Jesper Horsted
    Brody Oliver
    Scott Miller
    Alex Bachman



    TE
    TJ Hocksenson 1st
    Jace Sternberger 2nd-3rd
    Dax Raymond 3rd-4th
    Kahale Warring 3rd-4th
    Dawson Knox 3rd-4th
    Kaden Smith 4th-5th
    Isaac Nauta 4th-6th
    Andrew Beck 5th-7th
    Drew Sample 5th-7th
    Foster Moreau 5th-7th

    Notable UDFAs
    Zach Gentry
    Tommy Sweeney
    C.J. Conrad


    OT
    Jonah Williams 1st
    Dalton Risner 1st-2nd
    Kaleb McGary 1st-2nd
    Max Scharping 3rd-5th
    David Edwards 4th-6th
    Ryan Bates 4th-6th
    Mitch Hyatt 4th-6th
    Tyler Roemer 5th-7th
    Jackson Barton 6th-7th
    Paul Adams 6th-7th


    OG
    Chris Lindstrom 1st-2nd
    Micheal Deiter 2nd-3rd
    Ben Powers 3rd-5th
    Connor McGovern 3rd-5th
    Beau Benzschawel 4th-5th
    Ben Powers 4th-5th
    Drew FOrbers 4th-5th
    Hjalte Froholdt 5th-7th
    Nate Herbig 5th-7th
    Alex Barts 6th-7th
    Zack Bailey 6th-7th


    C
    Garret Bradbury 1st
    Ross Pierschbacher 3rd-5th
    Nick Allegretti 5th-7th
    Jesse Burkett 6th-7th

    Notable UDFAs
    John Keenoy
    Brandon Hitner



    DE/Edge
    Nick Bosa 1st
    Zach Allen 2nd
    Chase Winovich 2nd-3rd
    Anthony Nelson 2nd-3rd
    Maxx Crosby 3rd-5th
    Porter Gustin 4th-6th
    Sutton Smith 4th-6th
    Andrew Van Ginkel 5th-7th

    Notable UDFAs
    Parker Hesse
    Breckyn Hager
    Hunter Snyder


    DT
    John Cominsky - 3rd-4th
    Greg Gaines 4th-6th


    Notable UDFAs
    Ray Smith
    Matt Nelson
    Ryan Bess


    LB
    Blake Cashman 3rd-4th
    Ben Burr-Kirven 3rd-5th
    Drue Tranquill 4th-6th
    Ryan Connelly 4th-6th
    Cody Barton 4th-6th
    Cameron Smith 4th-6th
    Cole Holcombe 4th-6th
    Ty Summers 4th-6th
    Chase Hansen 6th-7th

    Notable UDFAs
    Joe Dineen
    Joey Alfieri
    Tevis Bartlett
    Kyle Rachwal
    Josh Buss
    Connor Stachan


    S
    Andrew Wingard 5th-7th
    Chris Johnson 6th-7th

    Notable UDFAs
    Parker Baldwin
    Jacob Thieneman
    Jake Gervase
     
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    Nice effort LeonardFan. For those of us that don't follow college ball or the draft as much, it's a good reference point for the upcoming draft, in terms of who we need to look out for.

    I remember watching Iowa's Bowl game, even the ESPN Caste tools were heaping copious praise upon Hawkeyes' slot receiver Nick Easley and claimed he'd be "perfect for the Patriots". That led me to believe he had a chance to be drafted. I guess it's not likely, but who knows?

    By the way, longtime Caste Stooge Gil Brandt has weighed in with his Top 150 prospects list. He's so connected to actual NFL Caste scouts, that his rankings might actually mean something. Amazingly, David Sills V and Washington linebacker Ben Burr are nowhere to be found, as most whites after #79 are quarterbacks, tight ends and offensive lineman?

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...andts-top-prospects-for-2019-nfl-draft-101150
     
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    Thanks Truthteller.

    I despise Gil Brandt. I used to listen to the show "Moving the Chains" on Sirius radio and they would always call Brandt "the Godfather" in regards to his role in the draft. Brandt to me is "the Godfather" of the caste system.

    I totally forgot about Easley - I am sure he will end up signing as an UDFA. Iowa DB Jake Gervase had a spectacular bowl game (and season) and nary a word has been mentioned about him during this whole draft process
     
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    This "best case scenario" above is the worksheet to go by come draft time. Comprehensive and not missing a beat. Well done.

    I grade drafts using the lowest common denominator meaning a high grade is a relative grade factoring in the caste cloud. I think last year I graded as high as an A-. For the record I do not factor in OL or kickers/punters/long snappers.

    Right before the draft last year I received enough positive vibes I was confident Troy Apke would get drafted but with the shadow of caste you can't really relax until you hear a name called. I was on my way to the kitchen when I thought I saw Apke's name pop up on the screen but they went to a commercial. It was the 4th round (and he wasn't projected until the 6th or 7th) so for a second I told myself I am not seeing things.When it was confirmed I jumped up and down for several seconds. I hope there are some jump up and down moments in this draft. And that Troy Apke stays healthy and gets to play this season.

    Then I remember the tail end of the draft when two white WRs were taken. I think we were all amazed Trey Quinn was the last player chosen though. He was slotted for the 4th or 5th rounds.

    If all of the draft range players Leonardfan lists above do get drafted (best case scenario) I would have to say the draft would be a triumph
    relatively speaking of course.

    But will it all work out?

    Beyond the WR concern which could range from 2 to 5 being drafted (most estimate 3-4) I have two pet projects I will be keeping a close eye on. One is LB Cole Holcomb.

    The other is my symbolic "Troy Apke" player S Chris Johnson. Unlike Troy both Cole and CJ are on the fringe so it will be nail biting time on day three. They are the most important players for me in this draft who aren't sure picks. If they don't get drafted it will put a huge damper on my perspective of this draft. At this moment I am not confident they will get drafted but it is up to the teams that aren't allergic to supremely athletic and productive white defensive players.

    Also I look forward to the draft commentary here at CF. It is usually a lot of fun to read through all of the comments. I don't comment live on the draft but might be able to slip in a few words early Friday night during the second round.

    [One final note. I noticed the NFL network is replaying the first round drafts in the evenings this week and Saturday. I glanced at it last night. Luke Kuechly was chosen 9th in 2012. That is a laugh right there. But what I noticed and will continue to notice as they replay these drafts are the number of black wide receiver bums who were chosen so high. And other positions. You realize how many first round black draft picks end up not panning out]
     
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    I predict that the above-mentioned DK Metcalf will be the biggest colossal bust of the draft this year. Heck, he was nowhere nearly as good as the other wideout, Brown, on his team. Single coverage at all times and still wasn’t very good. But hey, he runs fast is a straight line in shorts and is buff. What a joke.
     
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    If one person in the NFL is smart and decides to draft Scott Miller I might be happier than Scott himself. No knock on Austin Proehl but he’s about the same size as Miller and not near as talented in my opinion and he was picked right before Trey Quinn last year. This gives me some hope that someone out there has to have their eye on Miller (he’s essentially the same type player as Andy Isabella and Hollywood Brown) but has seemingly little interest.

    Another guy who should get a UDFA look and has been almost forgotten here is Gatlin Casey from Mid. Tennessee State. He put up huge numbers at Lehigh before jumping to the FBS last year and recording 40 catches for over 450 yards. David Sills body type at 6’3” 215lbs.

    I know there aren’t many prospects in the next class for WR but there’s reason to be excited for the future because there are so many white receivers coming out of high school highly ranked. Hopefully that trend can continue to grow.
     
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    Austin Proehl was drafted by the Buffalo Bills. Both the Bills GM and head coach came from the Carolina Panthers, where Ricky Proehl spent a long time as a consultant and wide receivers coach. I hate to say it, but I believe that Buffalo used that 7th round pick to select his son, Austin, as a favor to Ricky, who also played a bit for the Panthers. The fact that the Bills would not even give Austin Proehl a spot on their 10 man practice squad, after a solid pre-season, furthers my suspicion that they drafted Ricky's son as a "favor".

    Jets made a similar move a few years back (about 2010?) when obese head coach Rexrod Rhino became absolutely smitten with quarterback Mark Sanchez. The fat cuck even got an ankle tattoo of his wife, only wearing a Sanchez jersey. Anyhow, Sanchez' best friend as a kid was a fringe wide receiver prospect from the University of Colorado named Scotty McKnight. Both Sanchez and Scotty McKnight were sons of L.A. area fire captains, who were also best friends. To make a long story short, the Jets used a 7th round pick on McKnight, but he was so awful, they couldn't even get him on their practice squad. I mean McKnight couldn't get open in the 4th quarter of pre-season games. He just hung around for a year in New York as Sanchez' "roommate".

    Now, I think Austin Proehl is better than McKnight ever was, but he was undoubtedly helped by his familial ties. Scotty was a very rare, obviously wasted pick on white receiver who didn't deserve to be drafted. Tragedy is every year there are a lot of white wide outs that deserve to be picked and never are.
     
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    To be fair, Scotty McKnight had a pretty solid career at Colorado. He was their all time leader in catches, yards, and TD’s until Nelson Spruce came around and broke all three records. He even tested really well athletically, imagine where he would’ve been picked if he was black.

    But I feel the same way about Proehl, likely picked because of his dad, still a solid player. Hope he can stick around with the Rams.
     
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    We agree on Proehl. I think being the son of Ricky Proehl put him over the top, as far as being drafted by Buffalo. But he deserved to be drafted and should've, at least, made the Bills practice squad. I still think former NHL prospect Brandon Reilly was a bigger snub by Buffalo last year. I suppose he figured he did not need to pursue a hockey career, due to his size and blazing speed on the gridiorn? I guess he was totally blindsided by the Caste system, thinking NFL jobs at wide receiver are doled out due to talent and merit?
    You are correct Redraider, McKnight did have a terrific college career and his listed Pro Day times are surprising, in retrospect. But, I really remember how much he struggled in his time with the Jets. I wanted to see him succeed, but I remember he played a lot in pre-season and rarely got open or caught anything. He did seem overwhelmed -- similar to the way Braxton Berrios struggled to gain any traction with the Patriots last pre-season. I didn't remember McKnight tore his ACL on the practice squad, then busted his kneecap the next year? Perhaps a year in the weight room would've helped him make it the next season? I guess we'll never know, as Scotty long ago moved to Hollywood. Per a quick search he's now writing for one of the CBS CIS shows I will never watch....By the way, I'm hoping Berrios, who is clearly a better prospect than McKnight was, can come back much stronger this spring and summer.

    Ryan Spadola, a undrafted free agent receiver in 2013, was just the exact opposite of the McKnight in his brief time with the Jets: Spadola was tall, fast, really stood out at the Combine and absolutely dominated at OTA's. He was also a huge star in the pre-season for the Jets, to the point respected writers in the N.Y. media were even suggesting Spadola could be the Jets equivalent to the Giants Victor Cruz -- who went from a UFA to a Pro Bowler. Fat Rexrod even lavished him with some silly nickname from 1980's movie Fast Time at Ridgemont High and praised him a ton. Nonetheless, despite all the pre-season praise, the Fat man cut him after dropping one ball during a rain storm against the Patriots early in the regular season.


    P.S: Fat Rexrod Rhino also pushed the Jets to draft wildly over-hyped Clemson quarterback Taj Boyd (6th round) a few years ago, because Boyd was pals with Rex's son, who was a scrub, never-used walk-on CB at Clemson. Boyd never played in the NFL and his only real pro action came for some fringe league team in Boston.
     
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    Like Red Raider I get juiced for the draft especially when there are players of interest involved.

    Even though it starts next Thursday by early next week it will be a main talking point in the sports world.

    Some notes. S Chris Johnson is rightly sited as a pure free safety. Much like the white safeties of yore Johnson offers great speed and roaming ability. In other words a return to the day that safeties would help out their cornerbacks and protect the back end of the field. They were considered field generals back in the day and that is how I envision the speedy Johnson, if he gets drafted. Pins and needles on that one.

    QB Daniel Jones has his detractors but also his supporters. Word is he is shooting up the draft and that the Giants could take him as early as number 7. I would have to see that to believe it. Are they stealing my material? Ha. A major network compared him to Ryan Tannehill. I did that here not too long ago but I think Jones could turn out better.

    Also one of the best pure talents in the draft, edge Chase Winovich, isn't buying this white guy high motor only crap. See below his rebuff.

    I have him graded as a top 15 talent. Most draft "heads up their asses" gurus having him going in the second round. Only caste laden dumb ass teams would pass on him which means many probably will.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/ne...-winovich-is-more-than-just-a-scouting-cliche
     
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    Jumping around between the hockey last night I noticed both the NFL network and ESPN were covering the draft. I think it was ESPN. On the subject of safeties even though he bounced around teams in the early 2000's Matt Bowen, who is as bald as a bat these days, made a big splash starting for the Redskins in 2004 and the beginning of 2005 before tearing an ACL. I don't recall that but I do remember rooting for him like crazy when he was with the Redskins. He quickly became one of my favorite players. Here was a gifted athlete who ran a 4.49 and had an impressive 4.09 shuttle who was finally getting his due and he played well if memory serves. I kind of remember announcers not slagging him regarding his athletic ability which was a change of pace.

    He was from Iowa as is Jake Gervace, who someone mentioned above. And despite an impressive 4.4 plus pro day and decent size Gervace is off the safety map.

    I have a theory. They don't want many white DBs in the league because they might actually curb the success of the mainly black receiving corps in the NFL.

    That is the only logical explanation I can come up with. They tolerate the worst black DB play in the history of football yet keep pretending that only blacks are athletic enough to handle the difficult chore of being a DB. As black WRs rack up big splashy highlight worthy moments.

    Horse crap.

    Anyway not surprisingly Bowen loves Iowa player TE Hockenson which most people do. Why not. He checks every conceivable TE box. But they were also talking up TE Jace Sternberger who they compared to Travis Kelce. Good job fellas.
     
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    Nice piece on Andy. He has an unusual running stride. Like a speedy crab. Very powerful low center of gravity.

    Where Andy lands will be one of the most intriguing questions in the draft.

    The other one, unlike any recent draft, is where the plethora of white defensive talent lands.

    In most all of the drafts caste slanted teams can comfortably avoid drafting white skill players. This time around they seemed backed into a corner where logic dictates many of them will have to draft white skill players especially on defense.

    It will be fascinating to see which teams blink first.

    If this list of worthy white skill players is chopped up then the fix is even worse than imaginable.

    Teams have no legitimate excuses avoiding white players this go around. None. But if they do, they are full hog in your face anti white racists. No hiding behind clichés and stereotypes this time around. It is wide open for everyone to see their white hatred. Put up or shut up time.

    A big test this draft.
     
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  21. Bucky

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    Rumor has it Steelers scheduled AVG for a Top 30 visit. Good news could go much higher than expected. Doubt he'll go 1st Rd, but could be a 2/3 Rd guy.
     
  22. Leonardfan

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    Bucky, who is AVG?
     
  23. Bucky

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    Sorry guy's I'll clarify. Andrew Van Ginkle Wisconsin Edge.


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    Wisconsin LB Andrew Van Ginkel is taking a top-30 predraft visit to the Steelers, a source said. He’s going to be an interesting one to watch. He could go higher than some people first thought.
     
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    Van Ginkel and TJ Watt would be an excellent duo. Kinda reminds me of Clay Matthews and Kyler Fackrell in GB. Too bad Clay moved on to the Rams though.
     
  25. Leonardfan

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    Ah damn. Should of picked up on that. Great news - he was an impact player for Wisconsin and tested really well. Hopefully Connelly gets his name called too.

    I haven’t seen much of anything on the two USC guys - Smith and Gustin. They should both be nothing less than 4th round picks. We all know the pattern though - in rounds 4-7 take the unknown, unproductive black player with unlimited upside instead of the proven white player who had a good college career.
     

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