2019 NFL Draft

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  1. Shadowlight

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    Tape is most important but a very bad work out number raises red flags.

    Highly rated DE Jaylon Ferguson who is the same size as Nick Bosa had his pro day.

    32 inch vertical---OK

    1.69 10 yard spilt--acceptable

    5.12 20 yard shuttle--have a nice life fellow
     
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    Except that since Ferguson is black, he has the POTENTIAL to have a smokin' fast shuttle if coaches can just coax it out of him. His blackness gives him the ability because of skin color alone to be Reggie White 2.0. Doesn't work that way with crackas though. Whatever they do is the best they can do, there is no "upside". That is the thought process.
     
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    Rapp has white daddy and Chinese mom, he's white -- for our Asian minds. For all 'mix' kids in Asian nations, they prefer consider themselves white.
    Check Jeremy Lin ( Taiwanese parents, born in Cali.) in NBA, Asian athletes normally suffer more than the white in all sports.

    Reason why Rapp rates better than Wingard, Chase Hansen is he's good and plays in Washington university, before NFL Combine there were doubts toward him,
    but his stats tells...
     
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    Michael Walker pro day (Boston College)
    5’11” 194lbs
    40: 4.46
    Bench: 21 reps!!! (Would’ve been 4th at combine behind 3 receivers that weigh over 225)
    Vert: 36.5”
    Broad jump: 10’10” (BC record)
    3-cone: 6.93

    Great day for him as mentioned earlier. Very important that he got to show his strength as well as his raw athletic ability. I think he could become a really good slot receiver. Like I’ve said, think Alex Erickson with Walker.

    Is it just me or does this class have a ton of extremely athletic white guys??
     
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    From what I’ve read, Oregon State WR Timmy Hernandez also had a solid workout. His numbers were pretty decent but nothing eye popping, what impressed scouts though was his on field drills. It became apparent that the guy has natural body control and hands just from his routes and ability to make difficult catches. Here’s video of his highlights where you can tell just how talented he is by his amazing plays, also his full pro day workout. Like most of the WR’s in this draft he played on the outside in college but will likely shift to slot in the NFL.


     
  6. Shadowlight

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    In the combine thread it was pointed out Wake Forest had their pro day and WR Alex Bachman ran a 4.42 as more heralded (ten times over) WR/PR Greg Dortch ran a 4.49. I would add .04 to those pro day times so Dortch has less speed in the 40 than say Ryan Switzer.

    You would never know it watching a WF game on TV though. Because I estimate the references to Greg Dortch's speed and explosiveness probably averages around ten times a game. And I watched several WF games this past season.

    Speed and explosive references for Alex Bachman? How about never.

    This has always been a huge problem where games are endlessly framed in this manner where black athletes are cited over and over again for their speed and white speed is rarely ever brought up. Usually never brought up especially as it relates to white WRs.

    That said Bachman is in a similar situation as Vanderbilt WR from last year Caleb Scott. Similar careers except Bachman finished in a flurry capped off by a 100 yard plus Bowl game.

    Like Bachman, Scott ran a 4.4 40, jumped 37" and was completely ignored come draft time. Same will happen with Bachman. His chances of getting drafted are remote to say the least. Both were used as afterthoughts in the WF offense.

    The key here is white WRs who don't put up huge numbers in college have no chance of getting drafted while so called upside black WRs who have semi mediocre stats in college often get drafted and as we saw this year, many of them get invited to the combine to boot.

    Also to date media outlets are making damn sure no one has ever heard of speedy WR Scott Miller. And unlike say Riley McCarron, whose stats at Iowa weren't anything to write home about, ( due solely to lack of playing time), Miller has accumulated a three year outstanding stat profile. Top of the mark.

    Of course speedy McCarron was ignored too but the point is they can't deny Miller's great career at Bowling Green so what is their excuse of avoiding him? The answer is not blowing in the wind.

    And so far the Troy Apke Club members which include S Chris Johnson, LB Cole Holcombe and KR/PR Michael Walker to go along with Miller have been entirely pushed aside by the media. Take your pick they are part of a white out or a black hole. Same difference.

    Crickets all around. And this will probably dampen any enthusiasm teams had towards these top of the line athletes.

    Boggles the mind. Hell Chris Johnson is 6'4" 200 plus so they can't say he is too small for safety.

    The rubber meets the road come the NFL draft day three for these players. Will the NFL let us down once again?
     
  7. Shadowlight

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    RB Patrick Laird pro day unofficial results dripping out. Solid and well within acceptable ranges. Killed the three cone in 6.84 and ran a solid 4.56. Jumped 10 feet in the broad so obviously a well put together all around athlete.

    Anything under a 4.65 for a RB is certainly acceptable. Hell some high draft picks this year at RB run in the high 4.6 range and beyond.



    Why repeat for the one hundredth time that Laird is a versatile modern RB that resembles in some ways Rex Burkhead and deserves to get drafted.

    In the mode of CM and Rex he is a stellar receiving RB. And he played for a terrible offense and had to carry the entire load. A perfect fit for modern day offenses.

    Laird has great character too.



    Another one of these key players we will be watching come draft day. More advanced than Ryan Nall in my book, I will be very upset if Laird goes undrafted.
     
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    Both Drew Lock and Will Grier had their pro days today. They were both supposedly impressive but don't worry - they aren't as impressive as the two quotabacks pro days were!

    It is a little hard to figure out this QB class - Lock seems to be projected anywhere from Mid 1st to mid 2nd round, Grier is in the late 2nd-4th round, Jones is mid 1st to mid 2nd. Those are just the big names. Guys like Stidham and Thorson seem to be in the 3-5 range. Finley and Rypien are 4-6th round projections at this point.

    As for Walker's stellar pro day - hopefully he caught someones attention who was there to see Zach Allen or Chris Lindstrom. I'd argue his production suffered due to the quotabacks Addazio marched out there during Walker's time at BC. It's always great to see white players break the stereotypes although they go mostly ignored by the DWFs and jock sniffing weenie media and "experts".
     
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    Forgotten TD machine Pitt FB George Aston had a solid pro day - measured in at 6-0 240, ran a 4.66 40, 29 bp reps, 7.05 3-cone, 32.5 vert, 9-10 broad jump but somehow he was not athletic enough to warrant carries during his time with Pitt.
     
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    He's faster than Elijah Holyfield, in a saner world Holyfield would be asking his pops for boxing lessons and his PED fountain of youth. Aston is probably a guy who will be fighting for a fringe roster spot, while Holyfield is still probably getting drafted with his a scat back weight but blocking back speed.
     
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    I know just looking at one's body and the fitness of it doesn't mean you're a good football player. It was mentioned in the combine thread about Wake Forest Alex Bachman and Greg Dortch and how Dortch is considered this elite fast athlete and Bachman is an after thought. You tell me who looks like the athlete and who looks like the dud??? Wow lol
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  12. Leonardfan

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    Here is weenieworld's analysis. 2500 total yards over two seasons isn't overly efficient. Low 4.5s are actually average to above average:

    Cal RB Patrick Laird ran in the "low-to-mid" 4.5s at his Pro Day.
    This is a below average time given Laird's (6'0/205) stature. Laird compiled 2,088 combined rushing yards his junior and senior seasons at Cal, adding another 96 receptions for 510 yards as a receiver. Despite contributing to the stat sheet, he wasn't overly efficient and isn't projected to be drafted. He'll likely receive some looks as a priority free agent.
     
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    Is this by an author that has ignored the great speed workouts from other under publicized white players? I'll wager on that one. Like a typical caste suck wad he carefully chooses where to pick a fight. He ignores the all important 20 yard shuttle. Edelman killed in that drill too. Translation--NFL stud.

    Laird, who looks like he has no body fat, ran a blinding 3.96 20 yard shuttle to go along with his swift three cone run. That my friends is the best by a RB in this draft. And that spells agility and athleticism beyond belief.

    https://calbears.com/news/2019/3/21/football-path-to-the-pros.aspx

    Typical rotten hit job. First of all Cal had an awful offensive team outside of Laird. One of the worst I have witnessed all year long. The overall talent level of the Cal offense was putrid. The previous year when they were a bit better Laird was more "efficient."

    Secondly the turd passes right over the stat that stares you right in the face, 96 receptions in two years. That is highly unusual for a college RB. And isn't that what the NFL is looking for, multi dimensional RBs?

    Laird also returns punts and can play on special teams. He is smart and diligent and has natural leadership qualities. Way to delve into a player on your caste bias report you damn ass wipe.

    And the turd glosses over the fact that most all of the RBs in the NFL run in the 4.5-4.6 40 range. For RBs it is more about burst, vision, agility, power and the ability to follow blocks more than anything. The so called second gear that the 40 measures doesn't factor in as much as it would for a WR.

    And the rare times Laird was able to see daylight he displayed the speed to gobble up yardage. The year before when he saw more daylight his speed was noticeable. He took a few breathtaking runs to the house.

    There seems to be a panic in the air that too many white skill players could forge their way into the NFL.

    There are so many gifted white defensive players on the board too that it appears panic is setting in.

    These so called keepers of the gate continue to undermine the chances of white players with true NFL talent.
     
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    Sadly that out of shape player above (ha) will likely not get drafted if I am reading the tea leaves correctly. Despite an impressive pro day the NFL is not interested.

    So chances are zero white RBs will be drafted.

    Laird's only chance is if one of those so called "innovative" new offensive "geniuses" correctly figures out that a versatile player like Laird would come in handy and takes a flier on him in the 6th or 7th round.

    It looks grim but I won't entirely give up hope. He should have gotten a bump yesterday but instead the caste machine hunkered down.

    So much depends on the testicular fortitude of head coaches and GMs who refuse to bend to the same old stale caste think tank.

    Will they break ranks? We will find out late April.
     
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  17. Shadowlight

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    The draft is over a month away and I am already approaching burn out.

    And I am very frustrated. Perhaps I ( and maybe others here) am fooling myself into thinking things are changing for the better. Feels more like a hellacious cycle with no end in site. Spiraling down a hell hole endlessly. Translation is there is very little or no hope.

    Hell the Get Up program on ESPN Friday morning spent the first hour and a half breathlessly drooling over black athletes. White players do not register. This is common with the odious Mike Greenberg leading the pack.

    The media response to Patrick Laird's solid workout is telling. They dismissed it out of hand so as I mentioned above he has little chance of getting drafted. Not impossible but close to being hopeless.

    Much like the term "preferred walk on" you often see the phrase "priority free agent" when a player like Laird is being discussed.

    I will translate that into plain English. Makes no stinking difference preferred, priority or just plain regular. All it means is the player has to crawl on his knees and grovel like a an earthworm busting their asses on practice squads that usually leads to nowhere. A completely humiliating exercise.

    Update on two of my Troy Apke Club members. Unlike the RB situation there is hope one or two safeties get drafted. Many mocks have SS Andrew Wingard going late.

    As for athletic stud FS Chris Johnson I would say he has a 33% chance of getting drafted.

    Becoming my pet case this draft I have further studied Johnson and come to the conclusion he perfectly fits into the category of tremendous upside and the type of player that would have been drafted no questions asked before the caste era.

    Johnson who is 6'3" and over 200 ran a legitimate 4.42 40. His vertical is 39 1/2 and his three cone was 6.61 which is off the charts. Like Apke he does not have that typical DB black steroid look. Just a fantastic rangy athlete who some scouts like a lot. He is a free safety not a strong safety. A ball hawk who can tackle now there is a new concept when you consider the crap black DB play the past ten years.

    I would draft him in a heartbeat and like Apke as early as the 4th round.

    But if you like mysteries the WR Scott Miller story is a case study. I have been following the draft for years now and I don't ever recall this scenario. I know that there is less info on pro days overall but most results are still being listed by the media at large.

    Previous white speedsters have had their results listed by the general media. Even obscure players. But in Miller's case there has been dead silence apart from his school Bowling Green. And many MAC team pro days have received write ups but not Bowling Green. I have searched high and low and have come up empty. No media outlets have bothered to say anything. Not even a stinking blurb.

    Arguably the fastest player in the draft to go along with a stellar three year career unlike many other white speedsters his resume and stats are very impressive. Miller is about the same size, ( Miller is actually a little bigger) share the same sort of speed, with vaguely similar stats as heralded Oklahoma and possible first rounder WR Marquise Brown. But whereas Brown who already has a media friendly nickname in "Hollywood" Brown, Miller doesn't even exist.

    And while I am not as high on Brown's QB Murray as most of the media I am no fool. Murray is clearly much better than the QB who threw the ball to Miller. In fact it is a miracle Miller accumulated any stats playing with sub par QBs in his college career. I watched several of Bowling Green games and his QB was awful.

    So they want to dock Miller a notch or two for playing in the MAC as opposed to the no defense Big 12. Go ahead but remember I believe there are plenty of MAC WRs in the NFL and possibly even three, yes three, Bowling Green WRs in the NFL. They are black of course.

    The moral of the story is the media has really topped themselves on this one. Practically one week after his stellar pro day workout (4.28-4.30 speed) Miller actually does not really exist. And for the first time I recall a super white speedster has been totally ignored by the media. Not one word. Not even a mention on draft guru twitter accounts. Pure crickets. Fits into the theme of the Andy Isabella clock screw up at the combine.

    A player like Miller represents the greatest threat to the caste system so it is likely no coincidence he is being black balled. A far cry from the push to shove speedy black receivers into the NFL every stinking year. You will see a few small black WRs get drafted this year. It is a ritual. More like a death dance.

    My mood is pitch black at the moment.
     
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  18. Red raider

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    I could see Scott Miller having the Cole Beasley effect and come in as a little known UDFA white guy and make the 53 man roster right off the bat. I’m predicting it right now that he tears up the preseason with at least 3 TD’s (possibly one on a kick/punt return?). Obviously I’d much rather see him drafted.

    Out of all NFL staff I’m sure there’s someone who is impressed by him and sees the same things we do, and hopefully that leads to him getting a good opportunity.
     
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    That's part of "their" Modus Operandi that involves the corrupt college recruiting Fake News services/sites...collude to either completely ignore standout White skill position players or only give them just enough press or coverage to allow for a scholarship from a non-Power 5 conference...and then, after they've excelled on the field and it's time for a shot at the NFL, they are discounted and devalued due to playing at a MAC-level or non-Power 5 conference. It's just another anti-White modern-day (last 30+ years) ongoing scam.
     
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    Small, skinny ultra-fast white wide receivers need not apply in the NFL. Might be a waste of time thinking that will ever change, regardless of talent level. If a short white is going to make it in the NFL, he better weigh close to 190 pounds these days and have a rock solid build, ala Danny Woodhead, who was listed at over 200 pounds. Tim Dwight and Jim Leonhard are among the small group of real small whites (height and weight) I can remember having long, accomplished NFL careers since the 90's. Tim was listed at 180 and Jim was listed at about 190 pounds. Jim wasn't real fast, but he was a first team All-American candidate at a big time school - Wisconsin.

    I remember the 1999 Jets signed a real speedster from Delaware who broke Jerry Rice's collegiate record for most yards in a season, along with 42 other marks. At the time, the Jets had little to no wide receiver depth and it seemed likely Eddie Conti (listed at 5'8" and 175 pounds) would join Wayne Chrebet on the Jets roster. Conti, per my memory, was much faster than Chrebet, but never even spent a day on a NFL practice squad.

    Then it "happened", legendary caste-cuck Bill Parcells "spilled the beans". When asked about Conti he lauded his speed, toughness and skill....but did tell the media something like this: I like him as a player, but I'm reluctant to put him out there because I'm scared he'll get hurt. Yes, Parcells did say he was scared he'd get hurt! Right there is your answer why light-weight whites are being ignored. Caste coaches do not believe they are durable enough -- at least that's the excuse. I doubt we'll ever see a white Tavon Austin (top 10 pick). Obviously, there is a much different standard for small blacks.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/23/sports/pro-football-can-rookie-catch-it-catch-on.html


    The current GM of the Kansas City Chiefs Brett Veach was about the same size and even faster than Conti at Delaware. Delaware was a 1-AA national power at the point and their "star quarterback" was non-other than Chicago Bears Caste clown deluxe Rodent Nagy. I remember Net sites posting insane 40 times for Veach at his Pro Days -- 4.3 or lower. Being naive, at that point, I thought Veach and Conti would absolutely following in the footsteps of Wayne Chrebet and have long NFL careers. Turns out Chrebet got very lucky, Rich Kotite, a former NFL "lunch-pail" player, was the Jets HC at the time and let him play. Think Pete Carroll, who Kotite replaced, would've even allowed Chrebet on the practice squad? He would've gone down the Caste memory hole like Conti and Veach! Remember how angry and resentful Keyshawn Johnson was of Wayne for beating the Caste system?

    https://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article160304144.html


    P.S.: I will say this over and over: Any ultra-fast white player is going to face obstacles in the NFL. If they are smaller, it's even tougher. But they all need to get their asses over to a Regional Combine, where they will be laser-timed (similar to the Indy Combine). Pro Day results mean much less to NFL scouts, who might reckon they are merely a function of a "faster track" or a "shoddy stop watch" or " friendly watch holder". I remember BYU had several white cornerbacks that smoked the track last decade. One (Nate Solberg?) ran a widely reported 4.19/40 at BYU's Pro Day. I believe NFL scouts (including Gil Brandt) eventually suggested (to Utah media) BYU's track "might have" a "downward tilt", which basically nullified the times with some scouts.

    Also, every NFL team sends scouts to Regional Combines. That does not happen at Pro Day's for mid-major and smaller schools. For example, Maine and New Hampshire have had strong FCS programs. But some years, only the Patriots have sent a scout? Again, fast whites need to get to the Regional Combines. They have to pay a fee, but it's their best chance to beat the long, anti-white odds. Just ask Adam Thielen. Had he gone to the Minnesota Gophers' Pro Day, instead of a Regional Combine, he might be selling used cars?
     
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    Having just mentioned two star Delaware receivers from the latter part of 1990's, I never thought I'd be posting about another Delaware receiver today! But some very rare Pro Day info for a lesser known white prospect has popped up at NFL.com:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...es-legend-vince-papale-to-try-out-with-philly

    Considering how entrenched the Caste System is, not sure how much of a chance he'll get, other than perhaps some time in pre-season games with the Eagles, at best. Papale Jr. actually had a small cameo in the Mark Wahlberg movie Invincible at the age of 10, or so?

    The female NFL.com writer and Caste stooge Brian Baldinger continue to repeat the Hollywood bullsh!t that Papale Senior was just some random DWF that showed up at an Eagles try-out in 1976 (unknown to all) and made the team -- 1 in a million odds!!!

    History shows coming out of high school Papale Sr. was a huge track star (said to be the fastest man in Philly at age 19) and fully intended to play college football, but his school abruptly dropped the sport. He never transferred to play football, but played a while for Philadelphia's WFL team. From his WFL performance/tape, he was personally invited to that try-out by the Eagles GM and Dick Vermeil. It was still a unique story making the NFL as a 30 year old rookie that never played college ball. But leaving out his track history and his time in the WFL, the movie about him could almost be categorized as a "fake story"?

    Considering Vince senior made the NFL via the WFL in the mid-1970's, it's very likely Vinny junior might need to go AAF, XFL or CFL route if he wants to play in the NFL, as an extreme long shot.
     
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    An upsider named Marquise Brown is listed as ahead of Andy Isabella at wide receiver in almost every draft source I've seen. Brown's speed is cited as his main attribute.

    Brown weighs about 165 pounds while Isabella weighs in at 185. Brown had 75 catches last season while Isabella had 102 . They're both fast, Isabella running a 4.31 40 while Brown didn't run at the combine. Brown is coming off a Lisfranc injury while Isabella is healthy. Brown did not participate in the combine while Isabella did.

    So what makes Brown a better prospect to the mainstream media? It's only one thing. Brown is black and Isabella is white.
    Objectively Isabella is a better prospect than Brown.

    Here's the NFL scouting report on Brown, done by Lance Zierlein, who I don't have a high opinion of. Bizarrely, Zierlein describes Brown's speed as "terrifying." Huh? Why is Zierlein terrified because someone runs fast?

    https://www.nfl.com/prospects/marquise-brown?id=3
     
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    Yes, this is an example of anti-white bias. The writer says all 11 defenders could run him down solely to ridicule Laird. A 300 pound lineman is obviously not going to run down Laird. Laird ran a 4.56 40 at his pro day, a respectable time.

    The idea that Laird is slow is based solely on a racist stereotype that all whites are slow.
     
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    I think Lairds speed with pads on is very fast and in the open he is accelerating away from the D after 40 yds so I guess he must be slow...right? Not!
     

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