2019 NFL Draft

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  1. backrow

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    I don't follow the Jags but I think they have a good defense. I think Bortles isn't as bad as the media makes him out to be but when Foles gets hot he plays as well as anyone ever has.

    This may help the Jags in the playoffs, especially if Foles gets hot.
     
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    I watched about 2 1/2 minutes. Smith is a racist. He doesn't try to refute what Casserly says, Instead he attacks him. He says no disrespect toward Casserly and then proceeds to show Casserly massive disrespect both with what he said and how he said it.

    Indirectly, the racist Smith falsely called Casserly a racist because Casserly reported what some people have said about Murray.

    Blacks feel so entitled and superior now that to even criticize them is "racism." Unfortunately white liberals agree with them.
     
  4. Shadowlight

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    Just a few odds and ends form another combine.

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    Rich Eisen-(D)--His usual smirking caste self. Keep in mind they only recently tied his 40 yard dash run to a charity. For years it was a "laugh at the white guy stunt."

    Daniel Jeremiah- (B)--Former scout filling in for Mayock for the first time yes he gushed over the black athletes but kept a calm head and didn't get blinded by it all. Was not patronizing towards the white athletes and praised them often.

    Media in general-(D-)--Brutal is no other way to put it. Again they kept focusing on black 40 yard dash times as if that is the only thing that predicts NFL success. The media is actually getting worse at these combines. The gushing has reached a breaking point.

    Mel Kiper thinks Isabella can slip into the first round. Maybe it is a good sign that his 40 has not been accentuated much in the media like he is some outlier from outer space. Just another very fast white player who was "deservedly" invited to the combine. But he had to amass otherworldly numbers just to get the invite. Either that or they avoiding mentioning his 40 time like the plague. Ha.

    Like many here I want to Arizona to nab Murray allowing the 49er's to grab the terrific Bosa. If not that someone trade up to number one to get Murray. Don't want Bosa stuck in that rotten organization.

    I would prefer Andy Isabella not land with the Patriots. It seems the media is acting like the only place white WRs can play is New England which is patronizing. I want to see him land on another team hence giving the league multiple teams that have more white skill players. This would look better and spread around the white wealth. It might also encourage other teams to load up more on white wide receivers, perhaps?

    I was at least encouraged by the uptick in white defensive players, one of my pet peeves. The NFL needs more white players on defense without question. In the worst way.

    We are hoping at least 4 or more white wide receivers are taken but next year at this juncture we could be looking at zero WR combine invites and probably none drafted. Unless things change which is always possible, next year's draft could be a tough one but I am getting ahead of myself here.
     
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    Shadow - good summary of the coverage. I didn’t watch any of the combine for the first time since probably 2004? Let’s not look towards the 2020 draft just yet! LOL.

    I did watch the workouts on some of the qbs - Finley impresses me more than I thought he would - had more zip on the ball than what I saw when watching him at NC state.

    Daniel Jones looked solid - arm strength was what I expected. He probably needs a year to sit and learn the game the maximize his potenial. I still like his background in working with Cutcliffe who coached both Manning’s. He kind of reminds me of Eli Manning.

    Grier looked pretty good - amazing how he entered the season as a heisman hopeful and potential first round pick and is now being labeled a mid rounder even though he was productive as a freshman at Florida and then had two wildly productive years at wvu.

    Lock’s workout was fun to watch just because as a pure thrower his arm his very powerful. He’s Jay Cutler 2.0 IMO which is not a bad comparison. The way the ball flies out of his hand is great to see. An underrated athlete (much like Cutler).
     
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    Shadow, for years at CF I have referred to the ESPN duo as Mel Kosher Jr. and Todd McGoy. Reason I use Mel Kosher Jr. is because a long time (Jewish) radio host jokingly tagged him with that nickname back in the mid 1990's. He once had Mel on the radio several years back and Mel openly laughed about it.

    I agree with you 100% about Mel, he's 1,000 better than McGoy, who is a total Caste stooge. Todd seems like your typical white libetard from the Boston area. Actually, I've avoided watching McGoy for years. He isn't outwardly hostile towards his fellow whites, he's just very "Caste". Hence, outside of a few "outliers" in his mind (Bosa Brothers, CMac, ect) every white prospect is a backup/rotational/special teams type. They are almost all "overachievers" or "lack ideal speed/athletic ability". He's a total and complete horses @ss! Kirk Herbstreit is similar in the college realm.

    Don't remember Mel to well in the 1980's, but I know he caught some slack for "punking" Chris Spielman as a non-prospect in 1988. He also roasted the Jets hard for drafting Jeff Lageman "way too high" back in 1989 -- which was the NFL's last semi-white friendly draft. But, by the 1990's (when I really started following the draft), I thought Mel was very fair and complimentary towards white prospects. He's definitely not in the Rich Eisen, Mike Greenberg, Gregg Rosenthal/Weenie World mode of being virulently anti-white. Another (likely) Jewish draft writer/reporter that also seems to be pretty fair to white athlete's is Peter Schrager (Fox/NFL Network).

    Quick story about Mel: Once knew a draft "super fan", who has been obsessed with the draft since the early 1970's. He told a story of him ordering Mel's draft guide every year since the 1980's. Back in the 1980's he ordered the guide by telephone. Mel's wife (a white Hispanic woman) would answer the phone and take all his info. One time the draft "super fan" had a football related question that Mel's wife could not answer. She politely handed the phone over to Mel and he gladly answered NFL Draft questions for well over 30 minutes. Mel was on ESPN and well known in the sports world at this time. According to this person, he would talk to Mel for long stretches several times he ordered draft guides. So, it seems Mel is a pretty easy going, nice man. Fact that he is on Marxist ESPN and doesn't seem to be openly hostile towards whites is shocking.

    So it doesn't surprise Mel would say Andy Isabella could sneak into round 1. I posted the same thing the other day (post #392). My feeling, again, is if a over-hyped Anthony Gonzalez could sneak into round 1, why not Andy? Congressman Gonzalez (unfortunately he's a globalist cuck) was fast, but not as fast as Andy. While he had a solid career at Ohio State, he wasn't as all that prolific. Isabella, conversely, was wildly productive in college (even against SEC schools) and cartoon-fast. Isabella, to me, is a hybrid of Don Beebe (size and speed) and Jared Abberderis (incredible hands, skill and productivity).


    The team I really would've loved to see Andy go to is New Orleans. Just looked it up, however, and they don't have a first round pick. Colts and Raiders, who also have early second rounders, seem to be his best shot in round 1, beside the Patriots. Wouldn't mind seeing him go to the Giants in round two, assuming he isn't picked in round 1 and assuming they don't pick Murray or Haskins.
     
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    Anthony Gonzalez was drafted in the first round by the Colts when Bill Polian was still their GM, which explains a lot. Polian was perhaps the fairest GM of the past generation. Who knows how far Gonzalez may have slipped if Indy hadn't taken him that high.

    Reminds me of when Eric Crouch was taken by the Rams as a WR in the third round during the Mike Martz era, otherwise he likely would have slipped to the 6th round or been undrafted as no team would give him a shot at QB. The Giants during their semi-fair stage also took some White players that might have slipped quite a bit otherwise, Joe Jurevicius comes to mind and especially RB Sean Bennett, who in all probability would have been an undrafted free agent.
     
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    I always enjoy watching Peter Schrager, the guy absolutely loves white players, I remember last year he was raving about Dylan Cantrell a ton.
     
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    You are correct, Don. Gonzalez did catch a break with Polian as GM. He also caught a break with Peyton Manning being a future Hall of Fame quarterback. By the second half of his career he seemed to have some input, as far of what type of (and which) wide receivers/tight ends the team would target in the draft or free agency. Fact is, I know Peyton's opinions had a lot of sway with Polian. Once knew a man who's son was on the fringe's of the Colts roster. He told me, at one point, Peyton read that the Colts were very interested in signing injured, former #1 overall pick Tim Couch to back him up. For whatever reason, Peyton marched up to Polian's office and said something like "no-way, I don't want Couch on the team". After that, Polian "got the message" and Couch never got a sniff from Indianapolis. Peyton was very close to Brandon Stokely from his youth in Louisiana. No doubt Peyton was the reason the Colts signed Stokley after his contract expired in Baltimore.

    Peyton, like Tom Brady, has never appeared to have a bias against white receivers. Fact is, from a far, he seemed to like them. I have no direct knowledge of this, but I would not be surprised if Peyton actually either helped workout Gonzalez and Austin Collie or helped Polian and scouts break down their college tape. When Peyton went to Denver it seemed like Eric Decker was heading towards bust-status, with Tim Tebow avoiding him like the plague. As soon as Peyton got to Colorado he befriended Decker. The two would go to Rockies games together to watch Peyton's friend and former college backup quarterback at Tennessee, Todd Helton. Soon after, Decker became a prolific receiver. When the Broncos needed help in the slot, Wes Welker was brought in with Peyton's approval.

    As far as Gonzalez, in retrospect, it seems like a miracle that he was a first round pick (32nd overall). He was an absolute work out warrior, ran a 4.44/40 at the Combine and fared well in all drills. However, he only hauled in 87 receptions, for 1,286 yards and 13 TD's during his career at OSU. As a senior his numbers were 51, 734 and 8 TD's. So, yes, as you noted Polian probably saved him in round 1. But from what I can remember, he was widely considered a top 45 to 60 prospect coming out. But who really knows what would've happened if the Colts didn't pick him? Also, I don't think the surname "Gonzalez" hurt him as a prospect, as NFL teams were looking to broaden their fan bases.

    But my point is, Andy Isabella is also a workout warrior and so much better of a prospect than Gonzalez, that I think he could sneak into round one. Perhaps that's wishful thinking on my part and the reality is he should probably be happy going in round 2?



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    , I remember how much Peter Schrager talked up Cantrell. I think he's a very fair-minded an objective writer/reporter. When you look at Cantrell's size, his workout numbers** and stats at Texas Tech, it's hard to believe Dylan lasted until round 6. Of course, when you consider race as a factor, it makes more sense. No doubt Schrager was just looking at Cantrell objectively, which most NFL teams don't.

    ** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylan_Cantrell
     
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    The 2018 draft had a very good 1st rd with 12 whites going on day 1, but expect that number to drop to normal of around 8-9 in 2019. Judging from what a number mock drafts are saying the 1st rd should consist of these 9 players: (In order)
    Nick Bosa EDGE OHIO St
    Jonah Williams OT ALA
    Drew Lock QB MIZZOU
    Garrett Bradbury C NC ST
    Dalton Risner OL K ST
    TJ Hockenson TE IOWA
    Kaleb McGary OT WASH
    Zach Allen DE BC
    Andy Isabella WR UMASS (yup Isabella has moved into 1st rd territory!)
     
  11. Shadowlight

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    Perhaps one or two more might slip in Deceptive? Winovich?

    I think when it comes to Isabella many of us might have different thoughts on where he should land. What has always worried me about the Saints and Brees is he has never had a good relationship with a white receiver. In fact when speedster TE Fleener was with the Saints Brees used him as an afterthought.

    The Bills were playing around with the idea of getting Antonio (ass wipe) Brown but Brown I think said F off. Good. But the other rumor that they will choose WR DK Metcalf in the first round is another bad idea. Can't run routes so how the hell is that going to help Josh Allen? A wasted pick if they go with that steroid dude. He needs reliable receivers. He already is dealing with raw receivers who can't run proper routes and or catch the damn ball. Allen has the worst offensive cast to work with in the league. I think Adam Humphries would be a nice addition.

    For me the best possible landing spot for Andy Isabella is Buffalo. With Isabella and Allen you have two of the best young athletes going and they would become the signature players for the Bills for years to come. Think Brady/Edelman. Isabella understands route trees and would be invaluable to Josh with his versatility. What a great duo they would make but the odds are probably against it but I can at least dream at this point. Remember Allen really thrived the most in college when he was surrounded by white WRs like Tanner Gentry. And he had a good thing going with B Reilly in preseason but the idiot Bills canned that option.

    Pro days have started. Below are some guesses on 40 yard dash times on players who were wrongfully snubbed by the combine.

    RB Patrick Laird--4.5 range but possible high 4.4. Arguably the worst combine snub this year. Rex Burkhead versatility and off the charts character. You can't go wrong.

    LB Cole Holcomb-4.5 range. Great athlete who should thrive in the NFL. Maybe the best pure athlete at LB in this draft.

    Now the wide receivers:

    Tony Ellison- 4.4 range but possible high 4.3

    Jesper Horstead and Brody Oliver--big bodied small school stars expect 4.5 range although Oliver could slip in a high 4.4.

    Chris Finke-4.4 or low 4.5

    Flynn Nagel--4.5 range

    Trent Irwin-4.5 range but possible high 4.4

    Michael Walker-4.4 range but possible high 4.3

    Scott Miller--4.3 range but possible 4.2. Another wicked combine snub. I guess they didn't want two white burners showing up the black posse at the combine.
     
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    The best thing for the Bills would be to draft TJ Hockenson. He immediately helps in two areas - pass blocking and serving as a reliable receiver for Allen. He’s probably the most complete TE prospect since Gronk (who fell to the second due to injury concerns). I am glad that ******* brown is not going to Buffalo as that would kill the development of Josh allen. Id like to say that it amazes me that Buffalo would even be linked to Brown as he is a locker room cancer and diva - why would they even consider bringing that in and exposing Allen to it.
     
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    Whoever nabs Hockenson is getting a superstar. You can't go wrong with him. Yes it would be nice to see him and Josh hook up.

    Quick word about the defensive backs and the combine.

    First I was really impressed with Andrew Wingard. After Josh Allen left Wyoming and the white WRs were long gone I stopped making it a point to watch them. Wasn't sure where to place Wingard (in the box safety?) but after watching on tape at the combine with his easy stride I actually think he has star potential as a S comfortable tackling in the box and roaming the deep field.

    Since this doesn't pertain to white players since there is a law in the books forbidding them to play CB every year CBs are rated right after the combine mostly due to how fast they ran the 40.

    If I had a nickel for every CB that ran a swift 40 at the combine who stinks at the NFL level I would be rich.

    Case in point. Greedy Williams ran a 4.37 40 and Deandre Baker ran a 4.52. Both are considered the top tier guys but immediately following the combine Baker's stock dropped and Williams was greeted as the new Messiah.

    Point is as long as a CB is within a range in the (4.60 or better) it makes little difference. One has to look at he tape, the technique and the awareness factor. It is remarkable how blinded scouts become with fast 40 yard dash times. Being a good CB requires more than just a fast 40.

    And again it is worth reminding people that Jordy Nelson was timed at 4.52 and was noticeably faster than any CB who hopelessly tried to run him down. Not only could they never catch him, Jordy turned on the jets and pulled away from them.

    Richard Sherman ran a 4.6 40 at the combine. So playing CB has more to do with other factors than the straight line well rested 40 yard dash that scouts have foolishly fallen in love with for far too many years. Sure you don't want a 4.7 CB but most of these so called speedster CB's that litter the NFL are pretty damn bad. Most of them can't locate the football for starters. Most can't tackle and their field awareness is practically zero.

    I read somewhere that CBs are the "stupidest" of all positions and after watching game after game it is hard to argue against that.
     
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    If Buffalo went after Brown, it shows serious intent on their part to upgrade at WR, so I agree that Isabella being drafted by the Bills would be a positive, though given how die-hard Caste recent regimes have been in Buffalo I'd be a little nervous. But Allen to Isabella sounds like a potential great combo.

    The Antonio Brown saga dominates the sports news cycle in Pittsburgh, day after day, week after week, and now month after month. Much of the attention has become hostile at least, with some writers and announcers calling him mentally ill. It's hard to believe what a buffoon and primadonna he is if you're not around the media circus. He currently is sporting blue hair and a yellow moustache, just an infant mentally. In a healthy society he would have been forcibly confined by now either to a mental hospital or a prison. This guy's so bad he's actually pushed the Leveon Bell saga to the back burner.
     
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    Lucky for us, Chris Finke will be back at Notre Dame next year. Without Miles Boykin he should have an even bigger role than last year!
     
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    Wow thanks Red. I was unaware of that. This will give Chris Finke another year to build up an NFL resume because he was off the grid for this upcoming draft. Just keeps getting better so expect big things this season.
     
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    Off the top of my head Finke may be our best hope next year for a WR drafted. I say if he puts up 700+ yards he should get a combine invite for next year. Most of college football is aware of who he is by now, and media loves his personality and always swarms to him. It’s so easy to find interviews of him because they always want to talk to him.
     
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    I think Isabella would be a great pick for Buffalo. Allen has an exceptionally strong arm. Having someone who could stretch the field the way Isabella can would be perfect for the situation there.

    Defenses having to deal with a speedster such as Isabella and a quarterback who can get him the ball would open things up underneath for Buffalo.
     
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    According to the media nuts, it looks like the diminutive black/Korean quarterback that snubbed the Oakland A's going to the Arizona Cardinals is almost a done deal.

    Hopefully the ultra-Caste Raiders and soon to be very Caste Dolphins will trade up and get Dwayne Haskins. This way we get the "media superheros" out of the way quick....Like when Jameis and Mariota went 1&2 a couple years ago. To this point, as expected, neither is anything special. I expect the same from Murray and Haskins.
     
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    Yes, Winovich could sneak in, aswell as Daniel Jones who some have going in the mid-1st, but after them the next batch of white prospects drop down a tier.

    With guys who could easily be 1st rdrs like Burr-Kirven, Chris Lindstrom, Daniel Jones, David Edwards, Ryan Finley, Jace Sternberger and Will Grier are all projected to go in the end of the 2nd rd later...
     
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    I see Isabella going rd. 1 or top of rd. 2.
     
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    He's an underclassmen but Texas Tech transfer from Nevada Jr. WR McLane Mannix 5'10 185, may be the next big white WR in the NFL. Mannix burst onto the scene for Nevada, quickly becoming a top MW receiver, with 57 rec for 778 yds and 7 TDs as a Fr, and 50 rec for 885 yds and 8 TD's this year. Along with the stats Mannix also has serious burners, recognized by an article on NFL.com "18 for 18: College Football's fastest players". Mannix was ranked #17 with a 40 yd time of 4.35, and a 100 yd time of 10.81!

    At Texas Tech McLane Mannix will follow the footsteps of some of the best modern white WR's in the NFL (Welker, Amendola, now Cantrell). Also the jump to the Big-12 will give him more exposure, and better competition will make him more pro ready
     
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    Leofan had mentioned in the combines thread that LB Cole Holcomb ran a 4.54 40 yard dash the other day. I think it was at one of those off shoot combines? 6'1" 235.

    And to go along with a 39 1/2 vertical? Then after a full examination of his tape and Senior Bowl week to me he should be a shoe in to get drafted. Problem is he has been relatively ignored going into this draft. A Power 5 sideline to sideline college star who I believe led the ACC in tackles not getting a combine invite would burn real bad.

    Put a star next to this athletic wonder and see if he gets drafted. If he doesn't it would be one of the biggest tragedies in this draft.
     
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    To me there are now two players I would classify in the Troy Apke Club. The club represents player(s) with off the charts athleticism and solid play on the field that are way too far under the radar when it comes to the draft. Considered fringe players at least Apke got picked in the 4th round which was appropriate despite the caste protests.

    So Cole Holcomb is a true representative of the Troy Apke Club and now add S Chris Johnson who at 6'4" 205 ran a 4.42 at the same regional combine as Holcomb. Also blistered a 6.61 three cone drill.

    Smooth as can be like Holcomb he must be drafted based on his on the field ranginess and athletic testing results. Two studs who I will be watching closely draft day. They were snubbed by the combine (would have tested too well for the caste crowd) so let us hope like Troy they get drafted and higher than expected.

    This list may or may not grow but these two check every box and then some.

    PS-- Nice points about WR Mannix above. We are waiting to see if they will waive his transfer redshirt.
     
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    As sickening as it is it is kind of funny in a way as well. The Kyler Murray show is tomorrow and his fill in the blank ____ sucking media will be in tow in full force.

    Bear in mind the whole thing will be an artificial charade. The passing portion will be carefully controlled to make him look good.
    Everything will be carefully orchestrated.


    I have stated many times beware of pro day 40 yard dash times. The vertical they can't really cheat too much on but the 40 is a notorious place where over inflated fast times are reported. The NFL Combine offers a much more precise 40 reading even though even there questions loom.

    But I have a rule of thumb and generally one should add a good .04 seconds to a pro day 40 time. In other words if a player runs a 4.52 at his pro day add the .04 seconds which would make it 4.56, a time more in line with a combine time. This goes for all players. Not a mystery when players improve on their combine times at their pro days. Not saying some improvement can't take place but generally pro days times will be faster because of the less controlled timing methods.

    Even then .04 is often too generous and I can tell you Oklahoma is one of the worst schools when it comes to over inflated fast times.

    So take Murray's 40 time with a gigantic grain of salt. In fact I would add a full second to his so called "official" time(s).

    So expect wet panties all the way around when this court jester is done with his workout.

    The media. Grown men acting like school girls with huge crushes. It will all be on display tomorrow. Do everyone a favor Cardinals and draft him.

    Barnum and Bailey would approve. Ha.
     

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