2019 NFL Draft

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  1. Leonardfan

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    I think Hansen, Tranquil and Burr-Kirven could all potentially be hybrid DB/LB players. I am hoping that Burr-Kirven and Hansen are both drafted as safeties.
     
  2. Leonardfan

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    The Fresno St. defensive players tested out really poor athletically. As Twenty-Two mention - no room for Chris Johnson, Brandon Snyder, Parker Baldwin, Jake Gervase? What a joke.
     
  3. Johnny Tightlips

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    I dont really see it, I think this guy just has a filled out face with hard features because hes so high in testosterone, just like many black athletes.
     
  4. Johnny Tightlips

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    White LBs KILLING it in the 40 yard dash
     
  5. Shadowlight

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    As I mentioned before there is a blurring of the lines now between bulked up safeties and real linebackers hence we see a lot of faster than usual linebacker 40 yard dash times with a lot of undersized black players leading the charge.

    So if we are talking about real linebackers here are some names that should flourish in the NFL and all of them performed well at the combine. You wouldn't know it because their smaller brethren stole the headlines but to me these standouts should make a name for themselves.

    I have an incomplete on Andrew Van Ginkel (6'3" 241) since he didn't run a 40 but he performed really well in the few drills he did. But was a terrific disruptor in college. Looks smooth out there.

    Another Wisconsin stand out ( Bucky!!!) is Ryan Connelly (6'3" 242) who plays with his hair on fire. As expected he ran a fast 40 (4.66) and might just be one of the most underrated players in the draft. Diamond in the rough. He has great acceleration and tackles with a purpose.

    Cameron Smith is a more known quantity at MLB and far from being the athletic stiff as advertised he ran a 4.69 and had an impressive 39 inch vertical. His tape is off the charts. He does what MLBs are supposed to do. Tackle.

    Ty Summers is another sleeper (6'1" 245) who is very versatile off the edge. His 40 number was spectacular at 4.51 to go along with a 36 inch vertical. If he was a little taller we would be talking an early round pick.

    These are players that have the size and strength to deal with the rough and tumble NFL. Too many of the other LB prospects this year seem like underwear Olympic types who will get run over in the NFL.

    I want to see a return of the tough old fashioned defensive football where offensive players get tackled with some force and ferocity. This half ass flag football crap with clueless wussy types running around (that these combines encourage) doesn't cut it for me which is why I disdain the Big 12 so much.

    The only way to bring back proper defense it seems to me is to load up more on white defensive players. I want tough guys. Not pretty boy guys whose whole purpose in life is to run a fast 40 yard dash.

    I think S Andrew Wingard's time in the 40 was 4.56 which is a solid time. We will have to sweat out whether he gets drafted or not. After Josh Allen left Wyoming I stopped watching them but Wingard at the very least should slip in and make a roster. Again here is a player that can actually tackle.

    I just can't understand this fencing off of white DBs thing that goes on. Look around. DB play has never been worse.



     
  6. Extra Point

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    Post it in both places if it's relevant to both threads.
     
  7. Shadowlight

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    See below an article that discusses Andy Isabella being a white speedster and an outlier.

    Is it a stretch to say he is likely the favorite draft prospect this year here at CF? I can't wait to see which team picks him. Hell I probably share DNA with him for all I know. I can hear my grandmother now saying "Isabella-that's a nice."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...er-andy-isabella-makes-draft-case/3050762002/
     
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  8. Bucky

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    Again I appreciate all the posts in this thread! Doing a great job with combine updates and draft talk Gentlemen!!

    Shadowlight I too was a bit disappointed that AVG didn't run a 40. But as you've mentioned he absolutely killed his position work and is very explosive jumper. I read an article a few months back saying about half the NFL Teams talking to him see him as an inside backer at next level. I'm open to it, could find similar success moving inside to MLB like Joe Schobert did before him.

    You did a great summary on Connelly as well. Hes the definition of a throwback player with athleticism to boot. He actually played his whole SR season with a tear in his stomach that was actually detached from his pubic bone,ouch.
    That was the reason for him missing UWs Bowl Game!
     
  9. Bucky

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    To me Cashman and Summers stole the show. Knew they were better athletes than Caste Media would like to admit, but hot damn those honkeys were flying!
     
  10. Shadowlight

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    Funny the nuggets you can uncover on the internet.

    First off unlike many here I have never disliked Mel Kiper. I like him more now than in his early years and I don't agree with everything he says but I can tolerate him. Last year he was one of the few draft gurus who came out praising Josh Allen. Most everyone else kept pointing out his so called flaws.

    On the other hand Todd McShay has always given off a stronger caste scent than Kiper. I have never liked McShay.

    When McShay first entered the fray he came across as a brash smug caste driven annoyance. He has pretty much remained that way years later albeit just a touch less caste than when he started. He is just plain annoying the way he gushes over black "athletes."

    Apparently during a podcast McShay, showing his caste hand, bet Mel that Isabella would run closer to 4.5 than a 4.2.

    So when the "wrong" time was posted McShay must have been beaming as a pal of his blogged McShay just knew Isabella wasn't a real speedster.

    Wrong sucker.

    Anyone notice that the media has yet to explain why both of Isabella's runs were involved in a malfunction?

    What is that old saying? There is something rotten in Denmark or something like that.

    Kind of glad the combine is over. It was starting to give me a headache.

    Pro days start tomorrow.
     
  11. Red raider

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    Yeah has it been confirmed that it malfunctioned on both of them? I was really confused when it came out that his time was 4.31 but his second one was like 4.46. Could be a coincidence or could be some shady stuff.
     
  12. Deceptive Speed

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    I feel ya. I was just trying to get y'alls input on Cashman, because I honestly didn't even know if he was any good for Minnesota, yet alone the NFL. I've never seen him play or anything, and really seen too many pics of him. Theres just a couple of pics that make Cashman look a little questionable, but if y'all are sure of his whiteness I am too. Lets move on!
     
  13. Johnny Tightlips

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    His biggest accolade is being second team All Big Ten. However, every serious prospect have those kind resumes. What should work for him is his speed as we are likely entering a new era were linebackers need to have great coverage skills as well as the athletic ability to cover WRs TEs.
     
  14. Johnny Tightlips

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    I could see a lot of coaches being interested in Wingard....On the condition that he moves to linebacker much like Nathan Gerry
     
  15. CrazyFinn

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    Blake Cashman is definitely black. I mean, look at this negro:

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    And here is that other black man who ran the 4,31:

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  16. Truthteller

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    Carolina, I agree with your point that most of these white tailbacks are getting a very raw deal. As we discussed in the White RB 100 yard games thread, this has been going on for almost 40 years. As far is Ingold is concerned, I think it's safe to assume he was invited to the Combine as a racially appropriate blocking fullback. Traditionally, the small group of fullbacks have always worked out with the much larger group of tailbacks at the Combine. All are tagged as RB's. Reality is, fullbacks should be grouped with the tight ends, as modern day fullbacks have much more in common with TE's and H-Backs than tailbacks/halfbacks.

    Earlier in this post, I posted a short video of Ouellette training and he's really "jacked". Given his height (or lack of ideal height for a FB), speed and ability, it would be safe to assume that a sane team, looking to win games, would use him as a all-purpose tailback. I fear, however, his only ticket to the NFL will be blocking back. It has nothing to do with talent; it's all skin color in this Marxist league. Kansas City's white blocking dummy at fullback is about the same size as A.J.


    Good points 22. I don't follow the Combine and draft as much as I used to. Back in the latter part of the 1990's/early 2000's two white Ivy League "Cominsky types" suddenly surfaced out of "no where". One was a tall, jacked-up Lonsman from Penn named Mitch Marrow, who was selected in the 3rd round. Marrow was likely a creation of steroids and never even played in a single NFL game due to injuries. Other was Seth Payne from Cornell (4th round). Payne, of course, wound up being a impact starter for Jacksonville and Houston for quite a while. Hopefully Cominsky is much more like Payne than Marrow. But my point going back to the 1990's, is little known white defensive linemen from FCS schools that rise suddenly are very rare. In contrast, every year there are several black FCS (or lower level) players that rise suddenly in the draft. Most are busts.
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    As far as Andrew Wingard is concerned, I would be shocked if he is not drafted. I'd also be shocked if he is moved to linebacker, due to his more narrow frame, which is probably more ideal for a tailback (which he was in high school) or cornerback. I think, however, he will be "put in his place" in the kosher NFL. My prediction: He will be drafted after round 4 -- probably 5th round? But the team that draft's him will make it explicitly clear he's being brought in as a "core special teamer". Player's drafted in rounds 1 to 3 are expected to be starters. Players in round 4 are considered borderline starting prospects. From round 5 and up, it's usually all about special teams. My guess is he can eventually start, but there will be the obligatory long racial-apprenticeship to overcome, as well as other factors.

    I would not be totally shocked if Andy Isabella was picked at the end of round 1, or early round 2 -- like Eric Weddle. If Ohio State's Anthony Gonzalez went that high to the Colts last decade, why not Isabella? He was taller than Andy and went to a Big Ten school, but Isabella is much faster and has much more skill. By the way, if any are wondering, the white Cuban/German "draft-bust" Anthony Gonzalez has returned into the public the public eye. He is, unfortunately, a Republican congressman in a very conservative Ohio district. Problem is, he's just another Neo-con cuck -- very pro israel; and total open borders here in the U.S. This shaved turd was likely put forth by the Chamber of Commerce and Koch Brothers to make sure 3rd world immigration continues unabated, while I'm sure Turdy Gonzalez believes israel's borders are sacred.

    Finally, I did a quick search on the name Isabella. Nothing on "surnames", but a lot on the first name (girls). The name "Isabella" is consistent with the Italian spelling of the name, not Portuguese or Spanish. Looking at his family photo and considering he's from Ohio (not Rhode Island or South Florida), I would say Andy Isabella is of Italian decent.


    https://www.parents.com/baby-names/isabella/
     
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  17. white lightning

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    Get to know AJO

    Not that good of an interview.

    He was the mvp at the gridiron showcase.....

    There’s another link to that, but it’s pretty crappy...

    They asked him to play fullback, of course....
     
  19. FootballDad

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    Annointed savior Kyler Murray didn't impress everyone at the combine. Here is a surprise article about how many teams came away unimpressed. Charley Casserly said that comments were the worst he had ever seen for a "top rated" quarterback. Yahoo does their best to qualify it all and make excuses, but when all is said and done, we here at CF will be right.

    Fortunately(?) the Cardinals still seem high on Murray. Chosen Rosen will probably get an upgrade and be traded to the Redskins, good for him. What I found interesting was Murray's weak areas which should be disqualifiers for anyone looking to be an NFL QB. From the article: “Leadership? Not good. Study habits? Not good. The board work? Below not good,” Casserly said.

    Wow. Even lunkheads like Lamar "Eraserhead" Jackson were at least halfway reasonable in these areas. Midget Wilson did well, Sideshow Mahomes was "off the charts" in these metrics, according to reports. I will definitely raise my cup in celebration if the Cards take this guy. Maybe he can rival Jamarcus Russell as the all-time worst number 1 pick ever taken.
     
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    Murray is yet another black bust that the smart teams try and get the dumb teams to take. I've said for years if you have a top ten pick odds are good that trading it down is a better bet. Beating the hype train from the media and their social construct of black super hero athletes is a mook's game, for every Cmac you snag there must be a dozen busts in the making.
     
  21. Extra Point

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    I still say the Cardinals should go after Nick Foles. He's clearly good enough to be a quality starting NFL quarterback. Plus he went to school in Arizona.

    Sign Foles to a 3 year deal. Offer him in the range of 18 million a year.

    Rosen still has 3 + option years left. Keep him.

    Since both Foles and Rosen both have a tendency to get nicked up keep a third quarterback. Landry Jones and Austin Davis are solid, veteran backups that are available.

    With this plan you'd be set at quarterback for several years. You could then concentrate on other areas.
     
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    While Nick Bosa is of course good enough to be the #1 overall pick, I'd rather see him go later to a better, white-friendlier team than be taken by the Cardinals, assuming they don't trade the pick. Let Murray get the ego boost from being #1; he'll just fall harder when he busts.
     
  23. white is right

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    Guys he was just napping to get in a good height measurement for the combine..... Considering Radio, Jawalrus and other busts have been drafted high while giving off these same clues I expect him to go early and probably to the brain dead Cardinals.

    Also Casserly doesn't have a dog in this fight as he isn't with a team in any capacity so spreading rumors isn't benefiting him in any way. We already have push back from the usual sources as Steven A(ss hol@) Smith is getting a KKK vibe off this reporting........
     
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    It’s looks like Foles to the Jags is almost a done deal, so the Cardinals will HAVE to draft otherworldly once-in-a-lifetime talent Kyler Murray!
     
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    Wow, talk about damage control! Attack the messenger. And McShay blathering on about Rogers, Brady, Roeslisberger etc. being tough and relentless as if the report was that Murray was “unlikable”. No, he wasn’t “reserved” or any of that. He showed poor leadership skills, work ethic and he sucked at the cerebral playboard.

    Do these guys pay attention to what was actually said? I didn’t think so. It’s all because he’s a black quarterback and Casserly is a rayciss white man.
     

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