2017 NFL Draft

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  1. The Hock

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    If Chase Hansen (UTAH) can repeat his showing again in 17", he will be drafted in 1st round.
    Hansen + Dimick punked almost every QB/RB they have faced, despite every media keep praising M.Williams, Hansen is Harrison Smith 2.0.

    2 TE might have their chance : Mike Gesicki (Penn state) who is good at every sports, monster body.
    + Troy Fumagalli (Wis.)
     
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  3. Leonardfan

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    I try to avoid the talk about next year's draft until I start getting into cfb preview mode.

    I do know that the qb class has the potential to be very deep though (2004/1983 class deep). I am really excited about Mason Rudolph especially. He will be a true senior, did not declare early and will have 3 full seasons and some playing time his freshman year under his belt. He is better than any qb in this class but was overlooked by all the "experts". I probably have not been this pumped about a qb prospect since Big Ben back in 2003 when i first started getting into the draft and was a crawfords fan.

    Other than that my rule of thumb is to ignore the underclassmen until they officially declare so Rosen, Darnold, Allen are not players I will project yet. Darnold is another qb i am excited about - he has the Andrew Luck aura around him - looking forward to him playing at USC this year.
     
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    D2 ILB Connor Harris can be your hidden gem! LeonardFan missed him in his write up, i've been hearing mid round buzz for him.
     
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    Another running back to consider getting a camp invite is Dalton Crossan.......
     
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    After the Bills' poor treatment of Chris Hogan, I don't trust them with Kupp.
     
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    The last place Kupp needs to be is on one of the very blackest teams in the league, one with a scatter-armed quarterback who can effortlessly derail the careers of the most talented receivers, even if by some miracle Kupp was given a fair opportunity to compete by the Bills.
     
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    I think I was the first person on this site 5 years ago to bring up Crossan especially when he had an offer from Syracuse and opted for New Hampshire instead. It was noted by a number of us back then how quick his feet were. I mean just the quickest leg movement I have ever seen in a player at any level.
    I just got done watching his 2016 highlights. This kid is a legit low 4.4 forty guy and he has some McCaffrey cutting ability which I never noticed in his high school tapes. I think he a a legit shot to make a 53 man roster if he goes to the right team. If Zenner, Wegher and Varga could make it recently this kid has the ability of any D1 back coming out this year. He is really impressive and has that Switzer/McCaffrey elusivness. Lets cross our fingers.
     
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    I think Kupp will be different, scouts are actually not too worried about his "average" 40 time stating his quickness, route running, and sure hands are among the best in the draft. Hass was also from a different era. I think it's a better time to be a white reciever than the 2000's and 90's, because of the success of Welker, Jordy, Decker etc. DWF's are starting to realize that hey white guy's can be legit star receivers.
     
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    I tuned into the NFL channel and there's the draft going on! Man it snuck up on me. And there's a white O-lineman going early in the first. A real dark horse there. So later I googled the draft to see how it was going and nothing. Then I checked back and the NFL channel was just showing a repeat of the 2015 draft. Cheesy if you ask me. How many people are actually watching the draft from a year ago? Whoever is watching, maybe aside from family and friends of the drafted, they need to get a life.
     
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    If that was 2015, that must have been Brandon Scherff, the only White man picked out of the first 48(!) players drafted. Unsurprisingly, Scherff started right away for the Redskins and made it to the Pro Bowl.
     
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    Yeah I remember last year being bad.
     
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    Kupp has gotten a ton more positive coverage than Hass ever did. Hass was final straw for me though, I became fully racially aware after seeing him get screwed over.. Whites have been able to make some marginal progress in the WR department over the past decade but I still won't put it past the NFL to completely screw him over (along with Hansen, Switzer, Taylor and the rest of our guys).

    My advice for everyone here is not to get their expectations up because year in and year out during the draft NFL teams seem to do their best and draft anonymous, less talented blacks over picking a gifted, productive white athlete.
     
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    Arkansas WRs Cody Hollister and Keon Hatcher and Wyoming TE Jacob Hollister are conducting a workout for NFL scouts on Monday morning in Fayetteville, Ark.

    The Razorback receivers, Cody Hollister (toe surgery) and Hatcher (hamstring), were unable to participate in Arkansas' pro day due to injury. Jacob Hollister, Cody's brother, was given permission by the NFL to take part in the workout. NFL Network's Ian Rapoport believes it's "likely" that all three get taken on Day 3 (Round 4-7).


    Cody Hollister is another potential WR candidate and Jacob Hollister is someone I probably missed in my write up.
     
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    Article on Chad Kelly. Maybe the Bills will draft him for one of my favorite missing posters Italian Stallion! Kelly was very good as a senior (he had a stellar junior campaing as well) until he was injured. If New Miss had a defense they would of upset Alabama early in the season due to his great game (same can be said for the Free Shoes game). Kelly's unfortunate timing with injuries - ACL in November/Wrist at pro day really decimated his draft stock. His un-invite to the combine was pure BS though as a black TE did not have his invitation revoked after he stole from the store that was sponsoring his bowl game.

    http://buffalonews.com/2017/04/22/3-reasons-bills-draft-ole-miss-qb-chad-kelly/
     
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    Expect lots and lots of busts again this year as the NFL continues to try to make lemonade out of an annually shrinking crop of lemons. If this is the best potential number one overall pick the "experts" can come up with, then our "recent busts" thread should continue to grow and grow. Warren Sapp is not a bad source here as he was a standout defensive tackle for a number of years.

    Warren Sapp blasts Myles Garrett, says he shouldn’t be the No. 1 pick

    Warren Sapp knows what it takes to dominate at the line of scrimmage, and the Hall of Fame defensive lineman says he doesn’t see those traits in former Texas A&M star Myles Garrett.

    Sapp said he’s broken down some of Garrett’s game tape and can’t understand why the 21-year-old is poised to be the No. 1 pick in Thursday’s NFL Draft.

    “I don’t see it from this kid,” Sapp said Sunday,via ESPN. “I see the splash plays — everybody gets those. Where’s the game he took over? Where? Any defensive lineman who’s the No. 1 pick, you turn up and you say, ‘There it is!’ This kid, no, I don’t. I’m a pretty plain and frank guy, and I watch the tape and he disappears. I watch the tape and he absolutely disappears.”

    Sapp, who racked up 96 ½ sacks during his 13-year career, says he doesn’t see a player with a high motor and believes the Browns should go in a different direction with the top pick.

    “I see a lazy kid that makes four plays a game,” Sapp said. “This is the No. 1 guy? No, no, no. This ain’t even close.”

    So why are the scouts so impressed with Garrett? Sapp says it has everything to do with his size and speed, intangibles that can’t be taught.

    “It’s all about measurable,” he said. “Once you hit the measurable, it’s tough to get them old scout people off the numbers, and that’s what [Garrett] has. He’s big and he’s fast. Now some defensive line coach is thinking, ‘I can turn him into something.’ How? I’m trying to figure this out. Really? Are we lowering the bar?”

    http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...rett-says-he-shouldnt-be-the-no-1-pick-042317
     
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    Sounds a lot like Clowney who has been a huge disappointment when compared to the hype thrown on him in college and leading up to the draft.
     
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    Yes the bar has been lowered.
     
  23. Shadowlight

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    NFL people get paid big money to figure these things out but as we know it is an inexact science and they often are dead wrong. Garrett does pass the eye test athletically but Sapp makes a good point. I would agree Garrett was good (sometimes making a spectacular play) in bits and pieces but never a sustained domination through out a game. I can't say either way on Garrett's pro future but their are question marks make no mistake about it. You wonder if Cleveland should trade the top spot and pick up more first /second round picks?
     
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    Yeah, the most important "measurable" is being black in the eyes of the "professional" scouts and NFL "analysts".
     
  25. Leonardfan

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    Cleveland has 11 picks this year, they did alot of wheeling and dealing during the draft last year for future picks. I honestly think they stay at number 1 and draft Garrett. My hope is they do not take Trubisky with their 2nd 1st rounder and bring in one of the mediocre overhyped quotabacks like Kaaya or Dobbs so they get beaten out by Kessler. Bringing in a quotaback in the first or 2nd round - Hue Jackson would hand him the job like he did with the gremlin last season.

    NFL people are dead wrong more often than not because of the amount of importance the place in black skin above all else. That's the truth and what makes the caste system tick. Hundreds of white NFL draft prospects each year are overlooked because of their skin, thousands are overlooked at the college recruiting level because of their skin.
     
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