2015 NFL Draft

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  1. Extra Point

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    That may be true but Glennon is certainly worth a first round pick in my view.

    Glennon is another player being written off because he's white. It's sure not because of his play because he's played well early in his career.
     
  2. Extra Point

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    I agree about Barkley's potential. He would do best in a west coast offense type system.

    He's another white player whose career has been hindered due to his race. He was drafted in the 4th round and should have been drafted much higher.
     
  3. woody39

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    I'm quite concerned about this years draft, it looks very black, there is next to nothing to shout about for our guys. It's quite depressing.

    The only thing to say is next years looks good with Joey Bosa, Connor Cook and Scooby Wright all set to go in the top five. Along with a good splattering of offensive linemen and Blue Chip prospect Christian Hackenburg also set to go pro hopefully this year is just a blip.

    http://walterfootball.com/draft2016charlie.php
     
  4. Leonardfan

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    I really do wonder if the pendulum for college offenses will swing back towards the pro style. There are alot of factors to consider

    1. It seems that there are grumblings in the NFL after last season about the schism between college and pro style offenses. It was widely documented over the course of the season by the media that perhaps the "dual threat" QBs and spread option offense had been greatly limited and figured out. Although this is not stopping the media from touting Mariota as a potential top pick in the draft. Conveniently enough they are marking Jameez as a pro style QB now after touting him as a dual threat in college.
    2. Pro style offenses do work in college - PSU under O'Brien, USC has always been pro style, Stanford, Alabama, Georgia etc. are all more balanced offenses with pro style schemes. Plenty more exist and spread offenses are not in place at every college.
    3. Simply put black QBs cannot make all the throws in a pro style route tree. It hinders NFL offensive coordinators because blacks simply aren't as quick at going through reads progressions as their brains do not have the "quick twitch" that apparently the rest of their body does.
    4. Will the NFL continue to change the rules and tweak the game like they did with basketball to make the game easier to play?
    5. Where will the NFL get QBs in the future? 1-AA? Division 2? Following the draft this year as scouts, coaches, personnel men bemoan the lack of pro style QBs coming into the draft moreso than any year I can remember it seems that alot more of these pro style QBs from lower levels of college are getting draft coverage. Which leads to the question why weren't these QBs recruited to big time programs in the first place?
     
  5. Thrashen

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    Williams looks like a Gronkowski clone, with more agility…

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    He appears to be late 1[SUP]st[/SUP] round prospect, so it would be great to see the Packers select him. They won’t, of course, because they have arguably the worst TE corps in the league and NFL draft picks rarely make sense. They’ll probably draft a black LB to replace AJ Hawk, another sumo bust, or a bust at DL.
     
  6. whiteathlete33

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    I've never heard of this kid Davis Tull, but apparently he had a 42 inch vertical and a 11 foot broad jump. Absolutely freakish numbers. He will be running the 40 as well.

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  7. celticdb15

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    He's a stud. Had off the chart production at Chattanooga.
     
  8. dwid

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    Your assuming winning is the biggest priority.
     
  9. Freethinker

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    I hope the reports are true that the Blackaneers will draft Jameez Winston with the #1 pick. This turd is going to go to someone and likely start right away so why not one of the most loathsome as well as terrible franchises. There already is nothing to like about Tampa. Jewish owners (Glazer family). Black head coach (Lovie / Hatie Smith). Zero White skill players on offense for Jameez to torpedo. It's a great landing spot!

    It would also most likely lead to Glennon being traded for a draft pick. Hopefully he could land on a quarterback needy franchise. I think the Jets, with a new GM and coach, could be a great landing spot. It would do wonders for Decker and Amaro.
     
  10. white is right

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    The Jets are rumoured to be in the hunt for Mariotta. Or at least the talking heads are saying as much.
     
  11. white is right

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    Zenner ran an average tailback time for the invitees. Really he showed that he at least has the speed to be a utility back at the next level. He has shown nothing IMO that he can be anything but an early to mid 80's Mike Guman or Matt Suhey type fullback(both played tailback in college and Guman for a short bit in the NFL). Hopefully a he gets drafted by team that thinks outside the box like the Patriots or the Cheese Steaks.
     
  12. Extra Point

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    Tull was another gifted white athlete who received no scholarship offers. He was forced to be a walk on.

    In college he demonstrated great athletic ability, excellent production and was an academic All-American to boot.

    A team looking for a pass rushing, 3-4 linebacker would be smart to pick him up in the draft.
     
  13. Shadowlight

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    Tull's pro day

    He ran somewhere between a 4.55 and 4.58. But they think he still has a hamstring issue which goes to show he is very athletic. Should get drafted. Fairly reliable uzz on some other players.As of now looks like Zenner and Ross S will not get drafted however Jordan Taylor a rangy wr out of Rice might get drafted---no combine invite which irritates. Hull, Ryan and Heeney are linebacker locks but Hager might miss. Even wr Jaxon Shipley might get drafted. Taylor and Shipley must run very good 40 times to seal their draft status. Anything 4.4 and I think they are in.
     
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    Combine 40 times messed up

    Strange that this year none of the times were bumped up to a slower time like in previous years. For instance Mariota ran a 4.52. In previous years that would have turned into a 4.6 or something--what the hell. Not even sure they are electronically timed either--which begs the question why the hell not? The whole thing seems suspicious to me.
     
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    Davis Tull - The Caste System at work

    This guy received NO offers coming out of high school. He walked on at Tenn-Chattanooga, a mediocre FCS program. He was the most dominant defensive player at the FCS level for his entire career, then went to the combine (amazingly). His 42.5 inch vertical is tied for the best of the last 10 years for a linebacker. His broad jump of 11 feet is tied for 4th best in the last 10 years. Scouts and S&C coaches will tell you that broad jump is the one you cannot cheat or really prep for. I doubt that, but it's the accepted lore. Tull ran a sub 4.6 forty with a bad hammy. So, here's what the current wisdom is on him:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/davis-tull?id=2552290

    He's an "average athlete" with "short arms".

    I don't think there are any lurkers/doubters around this site right now, but this is an excellent case study in the Caste System. The guy with the top vertical and 4th best broad is an "average athlete"; never mind the 4.58 forty. I'd love to hear a non-racial explanation for it.
     
  16. Leonardfan

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    Arm length is another bogus measureable that the supposed experts like to throw out there. I would love to see the bust rate of those touted because of their arm length.

    They also say he lacks upfield burst, whatever that
    means. Pretty sure his vertical/broad jump are supposed to measure burst but I guess he has to be black in order to meet all the qualifications for upfield burst.

    The whole draft process is a joke, it's all smoke and mirrors. It is mired in racial cliches and a lack of any sort of credibility or accountability. Scouts, personnel people, gms are all recycled throughout the league, no one ever thinks outside the box and all stick to the caste think indoctrination they have been socially conditioned to believe is truth. The supposed draft experts are just jock sniffing dweebs who recite what the other is saying. They grow on trees and spring up random websites every year and they all say the same thing.
     
  17. Twinkle Toes

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    I have said this before but Tyler Varga is a first round talent. He will be drafted probably in the 5th round as he is not just an exceptional rb but an oustanding human being. I really hope he goes to the Patriots. I give it about a 50 % chance. He should be getting significant playing time by the middle of next season with whomever he plays for.
     
  18. Leonardfan

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    I really like Varga and Zenner. I would love to see either on the patriots. Varga is actually getting a decent amount of favorable buzz which is encouraging.

    Zenner is honestly a 2nd/3rd round Guy easily capable of surpassing the 1k yard mark in rushing. There is no buzz for him at all. He always showed up big when playing FBS opponents. He went up against Missouri and supposed 1st rounder dlineman Shane Ray and rushed for over 100 yds. This is against an sec school which according to everyone have the top defenses in the country. There are a few black RBs from fcs schools getting a pre-draft buzz love fest.
     
  19. Twinkle Toes

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    I am not sold on Zenner. He has that one cut ability and he has good straight line speed with the ball but I am not sure he has enough shiftiness to have a large impact in the NFL. He might make a good third down back or a move the chains kind of guy. Varga however is incredibly elusive for someone his size and I have seen a huge # of scouts remark about how it is almost impossible for one defender to bring him down as he is incredibly strong and arm tackles just do not work. Zenner could have a nice career in the NFL but it would have to be with the right team.
     
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    That's almost always done only with Whites at the Combine, and since there were almost no Whites there this year and none highly touted, no need to bother with slowing down times. . . And as Leonardfan pointed out (and which I noticed too), Mike Mayock was on overdrive calling blacks with slow 40 times "quick," "quicker than fast," "football fast," etc. When a White guy's fast he's still slow, when a black guy's slow he's still fast.
     
  21. celticdb15

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    Mayocks such a sell out. Had high hopes when he first made his debut but he was quickly corrupted. This year's combine was a dud. Sucks that wideouts Jordan Taylor,Matt Miller,Michael Bennett, and JJWorton werent invited because of their whiteness although the latter 3 were dealing with injuries. Who knows.
     
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    Some Pro Day results:
    Minnesota DT Cameron Botticelli 6'5 295 is a former walk-on turned 3year starter for Golden Gophers. He ran a 5.07 40 and pumped out 24reps on bench. Severely underrated prospect.

    WR Isaac Fruecthe clocked a 4.4 40!

    Guard Zac Epping started 47games for Minnesota yet no combine invite. Can't find any pro day numbers on him. All the media coverage focused on Cobb,Williams,and Thompson... But he's agrinder with his resume should get drafted but probably UDFA.
     
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    What else can Zenner do?! If a guy rushes for 3 straight 2,000 yard seasons and still gets zero respect what the **** else can he do? Lol not trying to be a dick but I disagree completely. He's done everything right so far. Runs a 4.6 at combine if he runs 4.5 at pro day he solidifies himself as mid round pick!! Zenner,Vargas,Scheurman, Wegher, and Weismanall have NFL talent I have a dream...
     
  24. Leonardfan

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    A black linebacker from Washington shaq thompson ran a 4.74. Prior to him posting this time which was later altered to a 4.64, mayock was talking him up as a tweener who could potentially be a safety or running back because he is undersized at 228lbs. I watched him run and I saw the timer say 4.74 but somehow he magically shaved a 10th of a second from his official time. He was actually much slower than Hull, Ryan, Hager and Heeney whom mayock gave nothing more than an insignificant few words about their presence at the combine.
     
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    Deja Vu like Ive seen this before. Hyping up lesser talents and dismissing better ones. Zenner is the real deal, he has dominated his level of competition as well as FBS. Just not as sold on Varga, he is slower and didn't dominate his competition multiple years, although he is still good. Just not good enough to be a White rb that breaks through the discrimination in the NFL. I think he would be fine in the NFL as a starter but the only reason he is getting any hype is because he is already over 220 and they expect him to bulk up to block as a fb, as well as be a special teams demon. Zenner is also about the same weight but many scouts are still viewing him as a rb. You can see this if you go and view their profiles on the nfl combine page. Zenner is listed as a rb and Vargas as a fb.

    Zenner has a promising write up, although still has the dreaded "stiff hips"

    STRENGTHS

    One-cut downhill runner. Workhorse. Big and fast; smart and tough. Will win most footraces once he gets to top gear. Has almost no wasted motion to and through the crease. Stays balanced through contact. Strong production against better competition. In 2014, put 103 yards (6.1 yards per carry) and two touchdowns on Missouri after hanging 202 yards and two touchdowns on Nebraska in 2013. Uses stiff-arm effectively on second level. Runs through arm tackles. Good hands out of backfield and adjusts to poorly thrown balls. Has "every-down" traits. Sticks nose squarely into A-gap blitzers in pass pro. Can add even more weight to frame if needed.WEAKNESSES

    Tight hips with thin waist and very little wiggle. Struggles to slide laterally from one gap to the next when a lane closes suddenly. Lacks creativity -- one-speed rusher. Gets yards after contact, but not really a pile mover. Needs improvement on acceleration through contact. Overwhelmed smaller, slower defensive fronts. Will throw flipper or shoulder at edge blitz at times rather than squaring up.BOTTOM LINE

    When evaluators look at small-school prospects, they want to see them dominate that level of competition and that is exactly what Zenner was able to do. Zenner is more fast than sudden and might be best-suited in a one-cut scheme. His production, size and speed will generate plenty of discussion in draft meetings.

    What a bunch of bs with the weaknesses

    Varga

    STRENGTHS

    Muscular, well-defined physique. Has hands the size of an offensive lineman. Determined player with willingness to switch from running back to fullback. Strong legs to power through angle tackles. Runs with above average change of direction and uses effective spin move. Able to stop on a dime and make defenders miss. Showed reliable hands out of backfield at Senior Bowl practices.WEAKNESSES

    Small for a fullback. Ducks head and leads with his shoulder when throwing a block. Must improve hand usage in pass protection. Willing to engage, but overwhelmed by size at times in Senior Bowl blocking matchups. Caught between running back and fullback for his NFL position.BOTTOM LINE

    Could get pushed into the fullback genre when, in reality, he's a running back and an instinctive one at that. Varga's ability to run and catch gives him a shot at the back end of a depth chart, but he might have to show he can take snaps as a move fullback and shine on special teams to make an NFL team.

    At least they admit that he is a runningback, although they dismiss it pretty quickly. Complete bs write up.


    Zenner has enough shiftiness. Just because he is fast doesn't mean he lacks agility. His agility times were NFL caliber and it looks fine on tape. His 3 cone drill was average for an nfl starter but his 20 yard shuttle was better, .02 from being a top performer this year. As for the 3 cone drill, there are plenty of backs that have gotten chances and some of them that have done well with slower times. Zenner knows how to work within his skillset against top competition very well. His agility is well above average to get through the hole at the next level, his problem seems to be gearing down just a little too much to make a cut in the open field. However, I don't see it much different than several starting backs. It has been documented that home runs rarely happen in the NFL, he isn't going to be a jitterbug in the open field, but most 1k backs aren't.
     
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