2014 World Cup Finals - Part Two

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  1. Matra2

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    Howard had to make dozens of saves, not all of them difficult of course, but quite a few of them were. Courtois didn't need to be great yesterday because the Americans lacked firepower up front. The better team won. A Netherlands v Argentina semi-final on that side of the draw. The other side is less predictable.
     
  2. Matra2

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    After their matches against Ghana and Algeria I'm not so sure any more
     
  3. frederic38

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    it's still incredible that a goalkeeper is praised so much after a match where 2 goals were scored against him and his team lost when you think about it
     
  4. Arend

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    In the normal course of events it would have been a piece of cake for the Elftal, but after the seeing how well Costa Rica did against England and Italy and after the first 60 minutes of the Mexico match, I am not so sure about the whole thing anymore. At least De Jong is injured so nobody will get killed.

    On what planet? With any decent coach I would say that this match is 50/50, with a good German coach maybe even 60/40 for Germany, but with that useless slob Löw there is no way that Germany can actually win this. [FONT=&quot][/FONT]Let’s recapitulate:

    - He continues to play with Center Backs, even though after the second game it was pretty clear that this does not actually work.
    - He continues to ignore his obvious mistakes (like he did before), sticking to faulty tactics and formation while being totally aware of his mistakes.
    - He continues to let Lahm play in DM, which means that he values Lahms wishes higher than the teams success-
    - He continues to ignore Großkreutz and Durm as alternatives
    - He fields Mustafi over Ginter......to let him play as full back
    - He fields Khedira even though he contributes nothing to the offense and only wins 30-40% of his tackles.
    - He fields Özil even though he has been an useless plug so far
    - He relegates Klose to the bench, despite the obvious poor finishing
    - He doesn’t think that it’s necessary to have more than ONE real striker in the team.

    And probably some more points that I missed
     
  5. ThePhilosopher

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    Well,the goalie is black,so he has to get some credit,if only for being black.


    Many saves were indeed straightforward,as the black strikers were rather poor,only shooting straight at Howard:

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  6. ThePhilosopher

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    Great list!:rockon:
     
  7. frederic38

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    i have only seen costa rica play against greece
    they haven't done much in that game

    about germany-france, sakho will be able to play
    if he does, he is a disaster waiting to happen
    you talk about minor problems in the german team, things like "this guy should play here" etc
    and it's probably true
    but france is a mix a world class players and absolute clowns
    evra can't defend, everybody can cross or shoot from his part of the field
    sakho is a clown
    benzema can spend hours without scoring
    pogba is a red card waiting to happen

    so it's going to be a very interesting and unpredictable match, but germany is superior to france in quality
     
  8. ThePhilosopher

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    Lol,they're better,Sissoko can't even run in a straight line! :beer:
     
  9. Thrashen

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    Great points.

    Of course, Lahm should return to his right back position. Aside from a blistering shot against Algeria and some emergency defensive play at times, “Der Kapitän” has been invisible at these WC Finals.

    Defensively, Hummels is their most athletic/speedy player, and his absence was quite perceptible. Let’s hope he’s over his illness by Friday. Both Boateng and Mertesacker have looked terrible in space, but at least Mertesacker is tall and long, allowing him to clear opponents’ corner kicks with his great heading ability and extend his legs to clear dangerous balls as opponents dribble past him. Boateng is not only slow, but lacks athleticism and vertical leaping ability. Durm or Großkreutz have yet to play in these WC Finals, but what do they have to lose?

    In midfield, Toni Kroos has set up some nice chances/goals, especially from corner kicks, but he's committed plenty of giveaways. Schweinsteiger has been better than Khedira, but he’s made some mistakes passing the ball and exhibited poor body language/leadership against Algeria. During the American broadcast of Monday’s game against Algeria, Negro-aficionado commentator, Ian Darke, stated something like: “Word has it that there are two factions growing amongst the German team during training sessions. One supports Khedira starting in the midfield, the other supports Schweinsteiger. Perhaps that is the reason they’ve struggled to play as a team today?” Who on the German team supports Khedira, besides his metrosexual twin, Ozil?

    Offensively, Klose, Müller, and Schürrle should be their wingers/forwards, with Götze, Podolski, and Ozil as reserves. In the last major tournament, Euro Cup 2012, Ozil was surely one of the best midfielders in the world. Since then, his play has greatly regressed, both at Arsenal and in the black, red, and yellow jersey. The Algeria game was one of the worst I’ve ever seen him play.

    All in all, I don’t trust this team. Their “big win” against Portugal (who turned out to be very average) was tainted by a soft penalty kick awarded early in the game and a red card by Portugal. The draw against Ghana (who ended up not winning a single game in the tournament) was a defensive disaster, but at least they fought their way back after being down 1-2. The 1-0 victory over the U.S.Gay was a decent showing, but the rainy weather inhibited offensive chances for both teams.

    I don’t know if they’ll beat the felenously-unsightly Arabs/Negroes masqueraing as “France,” at squad that seems to be more lucky than good and haven’t lost a game (three wins, one draw), but have looked pitiful in the process. Aside from Colombia, all of the 8 remaining teams have looked vulnerable. Brazil against Mexico/Chile. France against Ecuador/Switzerland/Nigeria. Germany against Ghana/Algeria. The Netherlands against Mexico. Costa Rica against Greece/England. Argentina against Iran/Nigeria. Belgium against the U.S.
     
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  10. Xman

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    This article explains why Sakho is preferred to Koscielny: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...phasises-key-role-of-mamadou-sakho-for-france

    If France are as bad as you claim they would have been eliminated a long time ago a la Spain. France defeated the African champions, Nigeria, in regulation. Germany needed extra time to get past Algeria, and previously drew with Ghana after being a goal down against them. Neuer saved Germany in the last game against Algeria by his frequent runs out of the penalty area. If he has to do that again against a technically superior French team then Germany will definitely lose.
     
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  11. foobar75

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    Two of our favorites, Germany and Argentina need to play a lot better in order to advance, that's the reality. The opposition is formidable, and this WC has shown us how close the competition is and anything can happen.

    Our other favorites, the Dutch, have an easier road against the over-achieving Costa Rica team, easily the weakest of the 8 teams left.
     
  12. frederic38

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    thank you for the good laugh
    that article about sakho was hilarious

    spain was eliminated against chile and holland
    2 very good teams from europe and south america
    put france in the same group as those 2 and they wouldn't make it either, ofcourse

    about germany's game against algeria, i said the same as you
    if they play like they did against algeria france will beat them
     
  13. frederic38

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    by the way if france doesn't start giroud and koscielny against germany, they will have no player good at heading the ball
    they have to start either giroud or koscielny
    sakho and varane can't head the ball
     
  14. ThePhilosopher

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    You're overestimating France...they had to rely on the Nigerian goalie messing things up to score themsleves.....

    and Algeria >>>> Nigeria.
     
  15. frederic38

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    the german team in the first 30 minutes, re-watch the game, they missed everything lol
    i never saw anything close to that
     
  16. frederic38

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    but this article about sakho is really hilarious
    they talk about litterally nothing, and god, do they talk a lot!
    the article is very long
    they talk about how sakho and varane are a better partnership than when koscielny plays, yet sakho and varane have only played 3-4 matches together


    the title is:
    "Hard-Fought Win vs. Nigeria Emphasises Mamadou Sakho's Key Role for France"


    so france wins, no goals are scored against them, koscielny plays, and for them it means that sakho has a key role? without even playing? lol


    another part of the article:

    everyone knows that in the nigeria game evra was exposed because benzema didn't help defensively at all
    he should help him as a left winger
     
  17. ThePhilosopher

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    Haha,great post! :tea:
     
  18. frederic38

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    i'm not even going to mention his role in liverpool's almighty defence last year :kiss:
     
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    and ofcourse i'm not going to mention how he made PSG lose the league title, that was 3 years ago already! :kiss:
     
  20. Jack Lambert

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    Good post Thrashen. I heard that comment about the factions as well. I was going to post something quick about it, but decided against it. I would have to agree with you; if anything, I'd almost think it's the two other non-whites supporting Khedira. Any person with a brain can see Schweinsteiger's on a completely different level than Khedira is. Even the posters at BigSoccer recognize that Khedira and Ozil haven't been very good at this WC.

    I was befuddled why Klose wasn't sent on for Ozil earlier, and eventually not at all... it's obvious he's one of the best finishers on the team.

    I'm hoping they'd start at least Durm or Grosskruetz and see what they can do; the German back line has looked pretty slow at times. As Arend said, the 4 CB back line isn't the best.
     
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    My thoughts on the Belgium/USA match:

    Kevin De Bruyne of Belgium was great! He scored the first goal and attacked with vigor throughout. The black sub Romelu Lukaku also played well, scoring the winner. Jan Vertonghen, the Belgian LB was also quality.

    For USA, their mixed race keeper was solid and kept them in the game. Landon Donovan would have been extremely useful in the match, and he was the type of guy who came up big in big matches like this. USA needed someone to step up. Also, the American CB Besler had a bad game and was unable to contain Lukaku when he came on, thats why US conceeded the 2 goals. Besler plays in the MLS and quite frankly in the MLS he would have never encountered a genuine attacking threat like you see with forwards like Lukaku who play in the English Premier League, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga.

    Overall, decent showing from USA and they seem to always be improving their football. I think they were a bit lucky as well though. Their league, MLS is always improving. But they still have some ways to go.
     
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    I think the solution to Germany's defensive woes is relatively simple. Start Hummels and Mertesacker in the middle. Move Lahm back to his natural position of RB. Who cares where the Bayern coach played him. He's one of the best fullbacks in the world. On the other wing start either Kevin Großkreutz or Erik Durm. Simple.

    They'll have much more speed with that clownish, oaf Boateng moved to the bench. Then they can play Schweinsteiger at defensive midfield. That would be a solid 5 supporting the defense and Neuer. I would guarantee a clean sheet against France. :wink:
     
  23. ThePhilosopher

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    [h=1]Low resists calls for change[/h]
     
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    I'm shocked that no one has mentioned this horrid miss by Origi yet:



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    Very impressive indeed!
     

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