oh, so the league called Fisher and told him to stop throwing to Amendola? they were moving the ball well, (running, long TD pass to Gibson) plus he was being covered much and i saw only one instance where QB could have gone to him and didn't.
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The morning sports shows are saying the Patriots will now struggle because Hernandez will be out. What a joke! Hernandez going out got Welker on the field and sent Gronk out on pass patterns that saved the offense.
As far as the conspiracy theories on Amendola and holding whites back from setting records. It's not so much a conspiracy as it is a prevailing mindset. When a black athlete is having a record breaking game or season it seems all effort is put into getting their "boy" the record. Whereas I have seen many times to often a white player on the verge of breaking records suddenly get ignored. I could supply many many examples of each but I've got to go to work. The point is that these things do happen and they are purposeful. It doesn't really matter if you want to call it a conspiracy - it is happening.
As far as the conspiracy theories on Amendola and holding whites back from setting records. It's not so much a conspiracy as it is a prevailing mindset. When a black athlete is having a record breaking game or season it seems all effort is put into getting their "boy" the record. Whereas I have seen many times to often a white player on the verge of breaking records suddenly get ignored. I could supply many many examples of each but I've got to go to work. The point is that these things do happen and they are purposeful. It doesn't really matter if you want to call it a conspiracy - it is happening.
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Matt Mulligan of the Rams had a good game and we all know about Danny Woodhead (both ex-Jets). Now there's another White Jet who'll have to either be sat down or cut somehow. Garrett McIntyre (LB) had an outstanding game for the Jets - 2 sacks, one forced fumble and a tackle fo loss.
Let's consider the Welker situation. Here we have a WR who led all the NFL in receptions last season, and has been an elite receiver for the past five years, unceremoniously being demoted to a backup. Although the player replacing him is also white, he played defense much of last season.
Is there a precedent for this, in any sport? An absolute star player being replaced by someone who barely played the position the previous season?
If you are trying to actually win games, then you play your best players. You get the ball to your best players as often as you can. The Patriots don't do that all the time, and there is no innocent explanation for that. Gronk is uncoverable, and yet always lags behind Hernandez, and now the immortal Brandon Lloyd, in targets. I think you could simply pass the ball to Gronk on every play, and you would move down the field for a TD every time.
Only a team that has another agenda entirely would essentially scrap the league's top offense in favor of a boring, unproductive system that feeds the ball to an average back and peppers a mediocre WR with targets. Whatever the Patriots are doing, they aren't trying their best to win.
Is there a precedent for this, in any sport? An absolute star player being replaced by someone who barely played the position the previous season?
If you are trying to actually win games, then you play your best players. You get the ball to your best players as often as you can. The Patriots don't do that all the time, and there is no innocent explanation for that. Gronk is uncoverable, and yet always lags behind Hernandez, and now the immortal Brandon Lloyd, in targets. I think you could simply pass the ball to Gronk on every play, and you would move down the field for a TD every time.
Only a team that has another agenda entirely would essentially scrap the league's top offense in favor of a boring, unproductive system that feeds the ball to an average back and peppers a mediocre WR with targets. Whatever the Patriots are doing, they aren't trying their best to win.
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The media is doing it's best to protect Gremlin the Turd after a loss. Saying that he played extremely well and it was solely the WR who made the boneheaded personal foul's fault. The agenda is blatantly obvious.
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Not only was Welker standing on the sideline for a majority of the offensive snaps in the first half, he wasn’t even featured in the starting lineup (Edelman started). The last time Welker was withheld from the starting offensive eleven was as punishment after his humorous “Rex Ryan Foot-Fetish Press Conference” before the 2010 playoff game with the Jets.
Despite his arrest for fondling a random woman in a night club, I really like Julian Edelman as a player…but he’s had plenty of drops, false starts, fumbles on punt returns, and other miscommunications with Brady over the years. On any other team (with the exception of the Packers, who have Randall Cobb), Edelman would be a quality #2 WR or #3 receiver.
Since 2007, Wes Welker has been the most valuable Patriot player after Tom Brady. This is not a debatable matter, as no legitimate, unbiased observer of the squad over the past five seasons could conceivably muster any argument that would deny this fact. 565 catches, 6,119 yards, and 31 TD's in 5 seasons, plus two games in 2012. One must also keep in mind that one of those seasons (2008) was with Matt Cassel at the helm, and another one of those seasons (2010) was several months removed from a ghastly knee injury. Even when ignoring Welker’s shocking receiving statistics and focusing upon his in-game intangibles (endless catches for third down conversions, intensity, leadership, sportsmanship, never-say-die attitude, humility, professionalism), an argument could be made that he’s been the best overall NFL player (or at least the most consistent) over the past five seasons.
After all that the “Human Patriot Missile” has done for New England, he’s been denied the long-term contract the he is so thoroughly owed, and a little Eminem-look-alike, Caste Mosquito named Josh McWiggles is attempting to “phase him out” in favor of an awesomely-average, fumble-prone running back and a problematic, head-case receiver (who does have some talent) playing for his sixth different team. Thankfully, the overused Aaron Hernandez was injured, or else Welker may have been discarded entirely later this season. Unless New England wins the Superbowl this season, and Welker is named the game’s MVP, he’ll be playing for another franchise next season.
In the end, when the dust settles, I think Welker will have had the last laugh…
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Looking at the Patriots offense the last two weeks, I don't see any more of an "anti-white" bias than anywhere else in the league. What I do see is Josh McWigger's predictable hand in things. He knows that the black boys beez better running backs, and his pet Brandon Lloyd is da best receiver. Based on that, you know that Woodhead is not going to see much action, wrong color, and Lloyd will be force-fed the ball. As for Welker, I put this more at the feet of Belichick and the Patriots organization. To them, he's "past his prime" (after all, blacks usually are through at Welker's age) and they don't want to pay him past this season, so they'le plug anyone into his position. At least they have another white guy in there for it. As for the TE's and playcalling, when they run the two-tight end sets, Hernandez will be out in the pattern much more than Gronk because he can't block. Gronk can do it all, while Hernandez is simply a big wideout.
Flacco calling out refs for the penalty they called on the Ravens that was iffy. He talked about all the holding and stuff that was going on against them and that they would call on something that wasn't as obvious is ridiculous. Then he said "I don't want to say they are doing a bad job" but in so many words I am basically saying they are doing a bad job.
btw, the Patriots aren't just replacing Welker with another White receiver, they are chainging the offensive philosophy altogether. Instead of having the offense run through a slot receiver they are now a ground and pound team, with Ridley averaging 20 rushes per game, he is going to have over 300+ carries this season at this rate. Brady will not have a ton of yards, Welker will not go over 100 receptions. Welker still has a shot at 1k playing more of a prototypical wideout role, as long as he has games like he did yesterday. Edelman had about 10 more snaps over Welker but Brady still targeted Welker twice as much, that trust and familiarity is still there and the coaches can't change that unless they keep Welker off the field the entire game.
btw the Welker thing isn't about age, its about not wanting to pay a White guy a big salary, and if he had a repeat of last year they would have to pay him top dollar. They just signed Brandon Lloyd who is the same exact age as Welker. They kept Kevin Faulk around until he was 35, there was always a use for him. They obviously are trying to keep Welker, otherwise why not play him to his fullest capability, then he can get a big contract somewhere else?
The positive is that the Woodhead touchdown was shown about 6 times for the small amount of time I head the tv on. They tried justifying the call on Gronkowski saying "had he had put his arms more on the inside then this wouldn't be a call, the refs got it right this time", they are right but its a penalty that is rarely called and wouldn't have affected the td for how fast Woodhead was going.
btw the Welker thing isn't about age, its about not wanting to pay a White guy a big salary, and if he had a repeat of last year they would have to pay him top dollar. They just signed Brandon Lloyd who is the same exact age as Welker. They kept Kevin Faulk around until he was 35, there was always a use for him. They obviously are trying to keep Welker, otherwise why not play him to his fullest capability, then he can get a big contract somewhere else?
The positive is that the Woodhead touchdown was shown about 6 times for the small amount of time I head the tv on. They tried justifying the call on Gronkowski saying "had he had put his arms more on the inside then this wouldn't be a call, the refs got it right this time", they are right but its a penalty that is rarely called and wouldn't have affected the td for how fast Woodhead was going.
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what a flawless analysis, Football Dad. i fully agree with everything that you've stated above. Pats are just trying to prove to the world that they don't need Wes Welker so that when he goes, and go he will, there's no huge fan (and yes, maybe even occasional reasonable media outlet) protest. either that, or they can then resign him for cheap, hiding his real value from other teams, since they'd be buying the bull**** claim that he's getting older and isn't that good anymore.
plus, McWigger is in town...
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The Giants vs Blackaneers game was arguably the best game yesterday, if you enjoy lots of scoring. Eli Manning passed for a career high 510 yards and lead yet another 4th quarter comeback. He has certainly established himself as a "clutch" player when the games on the line. Of course, he was terrible in the 1st half which gifted Tampa Bay a big lead. Both teams have entirely black secondaries which were torched repeatedly. black quarterback Freeman looked like a game manager at best. He predictably threw a pick when he needed to drive his team for a tying touchdown at the end.
However, the story from the game that's getting the most attention is Greg Schiano's "cheap shot" call. Schiano, The Gap-toothed Wigger, is by far one of my favorite coaches I love to hate. After all, he converted established starting senior Joe Martinek into a backfield blocker and fielded coal black Rutgers squads. He clearly built his NFL credentials with these moves. Well yesterday as the Giants lined up in the victory to take a knee he had his team diving at the knees of the O-line and knocking over Manning. Now I understand Schiano's play til the games over defense, but when has attempting to disrupt the hand off on one of these game ending kneels ever worked? All it could accomplish is labeling you a dirty head coach.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...uccaneers-greg-schiano-cheap-shot-eli-manning
Schiano has always come of as a gruff, crass, goonish, brat from my experience watching him at Rutgers. He is consonantly yelling, jumping around, waving his arms about in disgust and generally behaving like a buffoon on the sidelines. He seems cut from the cloth of the "hard-nosed", wigger head coaching academy ala Bill Cower, the Harbaugh Brothers, Jim Schwartz, Tom Coughlin, etc.
Caption: Old Skool Wigger Breaks In New Wig On The Block
I never thought I could despise the Bucs more then I did under the Raheem years, but I now do. Schiano needs to fail and Freeman needs to be replaced. Other than an over-the-hill Dallas Clark, there is nothing to root for on this squad.
Week 2 was a huge improvement over week 1. Seeing Hartline finally "break through" and Amendola reestablish himself after a lost injury year were the highlights for me. If Decker and Stokley can have strong performances tonight, that will end things on a high note.
However, the story from the game that's getting the most attention is Greg Schiano's "cheap shot" call. Schiano, The Gap-toothed Wigger, is by far one of my favorite coaches I love to hate. After all, he converted established starting senior Joe Martinek into a backfield blocker and fielded coal black Rutgers squads. He clearly built his NFL credentials with these moves. Well yesterday as the Giants lined up in the victory to take a knee he had his team diving at the knees of the O-line and knocking over Manning. Now I understand Schiano's play til the games over defense, but when has attempting to disrupt the hand off on one of these game ending kneels ever worked? All it could accomplish is labeling you a dirty head coach.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/sto...uccaneers-greg-schiano-cheap-shot-eli-manning
Schiano has always come of as a gruff, crass, goonish, brat from my experience watching him at Rutgers. He is consonantly yelling, jumping around, waving his arms about in disgust and generally behaving like a buffoon on the sidelines. He seems cut from the cloth of the "hard-nosed", wigger head coaching academy ala Bill Cower, the Harbaugh Brothers, Jim Schwartz, Tom Coughlin, etc.
Caption: Old Skool Wigger Breaks In New Wig On The Block
I never thought I could despise the Bucs more then I did under the Raheem years, but I now do. Schiano needs to fail and Freeman needs to be replaced. Other than an over-the-hill Dallas Clark, there is nothing to root for on this squad.
Week 2 was a huge improvement over week 1. Seeing Hartline finally "break through" and Amendola reestablish himself after a lost injury year were the highlights for me. If Decker and Stokley can have strong performances tonight, that will end things on a high note.
Woodhead showed some serious explosiveness on that TD run...like you said...wish Gronk would not have been holding...would have been interesting.
The same Josh McDaniels that messed over Peyton Hillis huh?? Hate to see him w/ Patriots....it's only a matter of time before Woodhead bust some more long runs...his big-play ability can't be denied!
Props to Danny Amendola!
Eric Decker should be in the Top 10 AFC Leading Recievers by the end of the season!
The same Josh McDaniels that messed over Peyton Hillis huh?? Hate to see him w/ Patriots....it's only a matter of time before Woodhead bust some more long runs...his big-play ability can't be denied!
Props to Danny Amendola!
Eric Decker should be in the Top 10 AFC Leading Recievers by the end of the season!
I agree, it was a noticeable improvement over a depressing Week 1. The Patriots offense is the biggest question right now, but hopefully its ineffectiveness will force Belichick away from McWigger's new, and not improved, scheme.
Looks like Gerhart will get only about as many carries as he did his rookie season unless Peterson has a setback. Kansas City is still a fluid situation as Charles may have been hurting a bit yesterday and the team stinks under the leadership of the clueless but "lovable" Romeo.
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Anything would have been an improvement over last Sunday.
In regards to Welker, it seems he is being "punished" by Bellicheck and the Patriots. He's not getting the extension he wanted and expect him to end up elsewhere next season.
In regards to Welker, it seems he is being "punished" by Bellicheck and the Patriots. He's not getting the extension he wanted and expect him to end up elsewhere next season.
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I just watched the video of that jerk on the redskins again. How'd you like to have him working for your company?
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Brandon Weeden, already written off as a "bust" by some knuckle draggers in the media after his first start, rebounded very nicely with 322 passing yards and 2 TDs. Andy Dalton threw 3 TD passes and also went over 300 yards in the same game.
John Wendling, vilified by Weenieworld, had 8 solo tackles against the 49ers, almost as many as the rest of Detroit's DBs combined.
Some other notable players who haven't been mentioned yet: Kyle Williams had 2 sacks for the Bills. He's coming back from a serious injury that derailed his 2011 season.
Sean Lee had 4 tackles and 10 assists for Dallas.
J.J. Watt led the Texans in tackles from his defensive end position, a rare accomplishment, and also had 1 1/2 sacks.
Carson Palmer threw for 373 yards, while Ryan Tannehill looked very good going 18/30/200 yards and no picks (with 11 of the completions going to Brian Hartline) in Miami's upset win over Oakland.
Dennis Pitta had his second consecutive big game for the Ravens, catching 8 more passes. All the "experts" always predicted that Ed Dickson would emerge as the better tight end when Baltimore drafted Dickson and Pitta back to back three years ago -- except us of course.
Sam Bradford went 26 of 35 for 310 yards. James Laurinaitis had 8 solo tackles and 2 assists while Craig Dahl went 6 and 1.
Harrison Smith had 3 tackles and 4 assists.
Brent Celek has already been mentioned in this thread but he was huge, with 157 yards on 8 receptions.
But Eli Manning -- Mr. Clutch -- was the player of the day with his 510 passing yards.
John Wendling, vilified by Weenieworld, had 8 solo tackles against the 49ers, almost as many as the rest of Detroit's DBs combined.
Some other notable players who haven't been mentioned yet: Kyle Williams had 2 sacks for the Bills. He's coming back from a serious injury that derailed his 2011 season.
Sean Lee had 4 tackles and 10 assists for Dallas.
J.J. Watt led the Texans in tackles from his defensive end position, a rare accomplishment, and also had 1 1/2 sacks.
Carson Palmer threw for 373 yards, while Ryan Tannehill looked very good going 18/30/200 yards and no picks (with 11 of the completions going to Brian Hartline) in Miami's upset win over Oakland.
Dennis Pitta had his second consecutive big game for the Ravens, catching 8 more passes. All the "experts" always predicted that Ed Dickson would emerge as the better tight end when Baltimore drafted Dickson and Pitta back to back three years ago -- except us of course.
Sam Bradford went 26 of 35 for 310 yards. James Laurinaitis had 8 solo tackles and 2 assists while Craig Dahl went 6 and 1.
Harrison Smith had 3 tackles and 4 assists.
Brent Celek has already been mentioned in this thread but he was huge, with 157 yards on 8 receptions.
But Eli Manning -- Mr. Clutch -- was the player of the day with his 510 passing yards.
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If the passing game is easier nowadays, and the rules changes over 30 years ago made it so, white QBs are the ones who really take advantage.
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Not really, it creates a lot more parity and takes a lot of the cerebral element out of the game.
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Looks like Denver is starting Bannan, Wolfe, Brooking, and Leonhard tonight on defense.
and i saw Wolfe there as well, not sure whether he only came on in this goal line situation.
EDIT: who you've already mentioned haha! oops :bowl:
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Manning had Decker open for 6 on that 3rd interception. Not typical for him to miss receivers like that.
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Looks like there's about to be a riot on the field. Also how the hell do you get a fumble recovery wrong?
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The Falcoons are such a thug team, and to see all of those DWFs in the stands cheering for them is really pathetic.