2012-2013 Minnesota Timberwolves

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  1. whiteathlete33

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    This is an incredible team. Love is a top five player in the league. Rubio is a very exciting point guard and Ridnour is pretty good at the point himself. Unfortunately, Kirilenko is on the down side of his career now. Nevertheless, I hope this team stays like this for a few season. It's been such a long time since we've actually had a team like this to root for. Anyone want to place a bet how soon the media will be hounding this team for being too white like Bird's Pacers?
     
  2. jacknyc

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    This team is great!!!

    What will make it even greater is if one of the other guys steps forward to be a 2nd scoring option after Love.
    Love is a superstar. Rubio is a great point guard, but not a great scorer. All the other guys are very good - Pekovic is very solid. Barea and Ridnour are both very good.
    But they need one guy to become THE 2nd scoring option after Love.
    Maybe Hummel will emerge or Budinger.

    Keeping your fingers crossed for a great season from these guys.
     
  3. Lew

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    People are starting to take notice. Every basketball related forum I visit is talking about how White the Timberwolves are becoming. I think it's upsetting them




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  4. Jimmy Chitwood

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    word is that AK-47 is playing the best basketball of his career. if that's true, then the T-Wolves will be in for a treat, as he's always been an all-NBA caliber defender. i do know that this year at CSKA Moscow he was named the MVP of their playoffs.

    as for the anti-White catcalls ... the countdown is already ticking for when they begin alleging that Minnesota is "ray-ciss."
     
  5. whiteathlete33

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    I hope you are right Jimmy. Earlier in his career he was averaging over 15 ppg and 3 blocks per game. Hopefully he can be a force again as he's still only 31 years of age. Always wanted to see AK get that elusive quadruple double.
     
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    Timberwolves teammates Alexy Schved and Andrei Kirilenko looked awesome today for the Russian team against Great Britain. Kirilenko had 35 pts on 14-17 shooting, including several alley-oop dunks from Schved, who had 16 pts and 13 assists. Schved is a 6' 6" point guard who looks and plays like Rubio. Great Britain looked foolish with their roster filled with notable "Brits" Luol Deng and Pops Mensah-Bonsu.

    With the signing of Schved, once Rubio returns it might make Ridnour dispensible. I like Barea's game as a two guard, but he can't be on the floor with Ridnour because they're too small. Rubio and Schved have the size to guard the opposing shooting guards.
     
  7. jaxvid

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    That team is sick! (in a good way). I can't believe they have managed to put together so many good White players. They are going to get assaulted by the media for having a team like this. Worse still if they manage to win. I may be watching some NBA this year.

    I think I am going to look into buying some tickets for when they are in Auburn Hills.
     
  8. Don Wassall

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    The Timberwolves may be the pioneering reverse of the 1966 Texas Western team that won the NCAA championship with an all-black starting lineup. That team was and remains beloved and is still the subject of documentaries and articles, including all the "racism" it supposedly had to overcome (which was very little). If Minnesota is at all successful, they will face far more racism from fans than Texas Western did, and there will be no sympathy from the media, only ridicule and vilification.
     
  9. BlackPride

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    Hummel's not signing a 2nd round contract to sit behind all those forwards. Opted to get guaranteed money in Spain.

    Minnesota keeps his rights.
     
  10. Gibbon

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    I hope this team does well. Particularly if they do actually start 4-5 whites.

    Though I am certain this idea has been covered elsewhere on this forum, I've often felt that an all white team could be dominant by virtue of sheer team cohesiveness. Some of the more recent adventures of the USA "Dream Team" (if not the most recent adventures) against nationally and racially homogenous seems to demonstrate this. Certainly there are notable exceptions among blacks but it seems whites are generally more selfless and better team players. In fairness, and IMHO with no desire to start controversy, blacks may have an advantage in "creative athleticism", creating their own shot etc. Though this is a double edged sword because this very capacity may also tend to promote selfishness (not to mention gratuitous and inefficient flashiness). And in the final analysis it is a team sport however much less so in its current state.

    I also think the homogeneity of a white team would tend to eliminate the underlying racial tension/disunity that must exist, if largely on a subconscious or at least unspoken level, among mixed teams. It seems that in many cases jealousy and an unhealthy degree of rivalry among players on a team could only be exacerbated by racial heterogeneousness. Then again, societally, one observes the phenomena of blacks being especially jealous of other blacks maybe for the very reason that they are vying for the same cultural niche/role. One can imagine this phenomena on a basketball team where the few whites are relegated to the secondary, specialist positions (i.e John Paxton, Steve Kerr, etc), and the blacks, vying amongst each other for the dominant, alpha position are actually more appreciative of the white "role player" who is essentially a servant of their success.

    Probably a lot here to digest. Sorry! Haha.
     
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    Very well stated! Welcome to the board. I think a whole volume could be written about the advantages of racial cohesion, especially White racial cohesion when you consider that Whites working together do little things like build modern civilization, go to the moon, spilt the atom, stuff like that. But of course any idea that "diversity" isn't the total absolute best greatest thing in the world cannot be expressed in our PC society. So any White "cohesion" on the Timberwolves will be equated with the klan and the holocaust.
     
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    Thank you Jaxvid! Let's hope the Timberwolves can start to prove this theory. They might be the only team I check in on this year. Unless Dallas can start to turn it around. Though I guess strangely the Lakers, of all teams, have some good white role models that could place white basketball player more heavily in the limelight this year.

    My interest in a team is always a balance between the number of whites on the team versus the significance of their role on the team. Hence I like Dallas over the Lakers, even if the Lakers might have more quality starting whites in a given year, because Dirk is clearly the man.

    When Dallas beat the Heat in 2011 it reminded me of a great Genghis Kahn quote (though it might have been one of his generals): A Lion leading an army of Donkeys will beat a Donkey leading an army of Lions.

    Haha. Though maybe that's giving too little credit to the rest of his team. For another thread...
     
  13. whiteathlete33

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    Welcome Gibbon! You seem like a great addition to the board!
     
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    Thank you Whiteathlete!
     
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    Yes, certainly the Mavericks over the Lakers for all of the reasons you mentioned, and I will add that it is obvious that Kobe Bryant is the "alpha-male" on the Lakers and even if there were 4 other White guys on the court with him the Lakers would still be behind Dallas to me because Nowitski is the alpha-male there. Note that there were hardly any other White players on Dallas last year when they won it all but it was clear who black people were cheering against--every time.

    I like the quote above too, it's unfortunate to live in a country led by donkey's as well.
     
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    Let's see what roster the Timberwolves end up with and who they start/play as the season begins but, if they do start an overwhelming white line up, the other variable is confidence. I really do believe they could have inherent advantages as a homogeneously white team. The question is: do they believe that?

    It's possible that even now Kevin Love is looking at this potential roster and it's dawning on him "wow, they really stuck me with a bunch of white boys. I have to get out of Minnesota if I want a ring." I tend not to believe this, though, however possible. And generally it seems that the media feedback has been neutral and even relatively positive regarding these moves. Of course the Timberwolves have a lot of improving to do from last year so anything to "change it up" will be given more leeway.

    I would think that the intelligent way to make personelle changes in any professional league would be for owners and coaches to remain aware of what their current, foundational and, especially, franchise players feel about the various other players in the league. For instance, I don't see them pursuing a Budinger without having heard Love and other players on the team remarking positively about him and even expressing an interest in playing with him if the opportunity is there. They may not be directly privy to specific efforts to acquire certain players but....just a guess. Any other policy would be reckless in my view.

    A huge factor is Love's leadership and maturity. He'll have to put faith in his teammates. That's the only way they'll respond. The moment doubt takes the upper hand that white propensity to unity and teamwork will collapse as it has in our civilization generally.

    Yeah I can't watch Kobe and the Lakers...haha. Happy Nash will get more face time though. I think the only games I may watch this year are the Mavs and/or the Timberwolves AFTER one or both has made convincing headway in the playoffs. Otherwise its the occasional glance at the box scores/castefootball.

    The NBA is really quite a wasteland.
     
  17. Truthteller

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    Nice observation, Gibbon. I was thinking that myself, if the team starts poorly, will even the white players (brianwashed to believe they are inferior since birth) begin to panic and wish they had more blacks to "help out"? I think Love's biggest problem is he needs another "star" to take the load of his shoulders and that potential "second star" is coming off a horrific knee injury. Ricky Rubio's injury is what worries me most, even though Luke Ridenour played well in his place. Had the young Spaniard and Love (concussion issues) stayed healthy last season, Wolves should've slid into the playoffs and the picture would've seemed much brighter.


    I agree, like most "non-black American's" I've pretty much tuned the NBA out. A few months ago I posted the NBA's TV ratings and they are pretty scary (bad), among all racial groups, except blacks. I think close to 60% of all viewers for the Boston v. Atlanta playoff series were black. My guess is most where black males...so there you go, 6% of the population pretty much makes up the strong majority of their TV audience up until the NBA Finals (when more whites tune in).


    P.S: By the way, welcome to the site. So far you seem like a awesome addition and I hope you stick around and post a lot more often...This site has had a paucity of good new posters. Almost all our "newbies" the last few months have been cut from the mold (perhaps the same troll?), who start seemingly endless (and bland) threads of no-name high school kids only getting looks from 1-AA, D-2 & D-3 football schools, and tons of boring info regarding walk-on punters and DB's at 1-A schools that "supposedly" run 4.4 (or better), yet are relegated to 5th string their entire careers.
     
  18. Gibbon

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    Thanks for the kind words Truthteller.

    Since it has become such a black league I can't say that it saddens me to see it fall in the ratings. And I am certain it is, as you say, primarily the whites that are tuning out.

    The truth is, during the Larry Bird era, it was far more effective propaganda for the multicult. Then they could actually get whites to watch and the Magic/Larry rivalry/lovefest was a hell of a lot more charming to them than the more or less in-your-face black supremacist propaganda it has become. Back then it was a bit like a black/white cop buddy movie ala lethal weapon. "Yes, blacks and whites get along great! Multicultural societies function wonderfully. Not to mention provide all sorts of entertaining cross-cultural interactions."

    For the same reason, football, relatively more diverse as it is, largely because of the QB and O Line positions, actually probably functions as better propaganda for the multi cult. In fact, it's quite easy to decipher a terrible metaphor from that most common play: a white qb passing/handing off the ball to a black as if this is the purpose of whites: to give and bestow success (i.e. our civilization/inheritance/existence) to blacks. We originate the play, they finish it.

    I almost wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota was tapped to run an experiment for the NBA to see if some of that white viewership can be regained. After all, I believe there is awareness on the part of the league that the shift in the racial demographic has injured its appeal to whites. I somewhat vaguely remember a poll published in SI, 10+ years back, in which readers were asked what would make the nba more appealing to them and one of the questions was if there were more white players in the league. I remember being doubly surprised: first that they would dare ask the question and second that many of those polled answered honestly in the affirmative. I tried to dig it up online but a cursory search found nothing.

    So...careful what you wish for. Haha. The recent success of whites in boxing is the only thing that is not a mixed bag. It's awesome.

    That the NBA stays in business at all is an absolute mystery to me.
     
  19. Jimmy Chitwood

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    this is yet another excellent post. the highlighted portion above is, i believe (sad though it is), an excellent summation of the current paradigm in Western civilization. well said. :thumbsup:
     
  20. Gibbon

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    You're too kind Jimmy! Good night!
     
  21. Truthteller

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    Once again, great commentary. There is no doubt that somewhere (behind the scenes) Timberwolves GM David Kahn got the okay from one (or both) of the NBA's top two leaders -- David Stern or Adam Silver -- to build a team that is majority white, in hopes of possibly building a team like the Celtics of 80's or the Jazz of 90's that got great ratings when they had Championship caliber squads. Actually Jazz are a much better example, considering they are also a smaller market team in a largely white state (like Minn). Bulls/Jazz used to get enormous ratings, as many of those Bulls teams of the 90's had to 5 to 6 whites on their roster at most times. Imagine how much better the NBA ratings could be if it was the "hated" Heat (mostly black) against a more white friendly team like the Wolves, or possibly the Lakers with Gasol, Nash, ect?

    Several months back I posted something similar to this (link below) and mentioned the fact that the Wolves have a Jewish GM, which will help them going forward if they want to employ more whites. Don't forget, when the "anglo" Larry Bird tried to build a much more white friendly team in Indy back in 2009, he was called out and harassed by a very odious, Marxist writer/talk show host named Bob Kravitz. I doubt a guy similar to Kravitz will attack Kahn (a fellow Lonsman) in the same way.

    http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...Chase-Budinger?p=251355&viewfull=1#post251355

    Gibbons, I posted the (link below) last year. Some info on how NBC was pretty much forced to dump the NBA in the early 2000's, because the drastic drop in white viewers. Since then, the Cultural Marxists over at ESPN have picked up the ball and propped up this sorry league, giving it 24/7 attention. You might find informative what I posted in this thread:

    http://www.castefootball.us/forums/threads/13928-NBA-Lockout?p=229994&viewfull=1#post229994

    I think it's similar to the WNBA, just on a much larger scale. The WNBA, which is suddenly as dark as the NBA, basically is kept afloat by sponsors (who buy up thousands of free tickets and hand them out for free) and ESPN, which pays millions to televise/prop up a league that has almost no fan base, outside of a small group of urban dwelling lesbians. NBA is clearly more popular than the WNBA, but is it popular enough to pay such outrageous salaries and still stay afloat? Me, Don and some others discussed the WNBA's "success" and plummeting NBA ratings in this thread back in June. You might also find this informative:

    http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...ack-Households?p=249648&viewfull=1#post249648
     
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  22. Neocon

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    I think that had more to do with a local guy being disappointed that Larry built such a piece of crap team. He knew the Pacers were gonna suck that year. If they had filled the roster with capable white players, I doubt he would have cared.

    The Pacers were 32-50, and their 39% winning percentage was their worst in 20 years. Last year, they won 64% of their games and won a playoff round after unloading all of their white players except Hanbrough.

    Accumulating good players, be they black or white, rather than simply stacking a bunch of random white guys, is how you build a winning franchise.
     
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    During the popularity heyday of the NBA in the 1980's, black players were mostly "regular guys", Magic, MJ, Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, etc. So in an era of perceived "racial harmony" like Gibbon mentions in his post, sure, what's not to like? But from the mid 90's on, the black demographic of the NBA is now viewed by whites as ghetto thugs, fresh off of the "midnite basketball" courts.
     
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    Nice try. The Kravitz "hit piece" back in 2009 does not mention the team's poor record at all. And it was a team that was still majority black at the time. 6 of their top 7 performers (in terms of minutes) were black that season, so put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!...In addition, their top player at the time (Mike Dunleavy) DID miss almost the entire season due to a knee injury, which probably hurt the team more than anything. Also, as you noted, several of the whites on that team in the spring of '09 were bench types (Deiner, McRoberts), that contributed very little to that 36-46 team. There was no reason for him to get his panties in a bunch over two kids that rarely played.

    Although he doesn't mention their "poor record", he does mention race, so you've been thwarted once again, this time with a different handle: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/kravitz/2009-07-07-pacers-white-players_N.htm

    "Neocon", I guess what sent your friend/fellow Lonsman "over the top" was the drafting of Hansborough. The 2009-10 Pacers, even after drafting Tyler H., were 32-50 and basically had 9 blacks and 4 whites (Foster was injured almost all the 09/10 season)...How terrible, 4 whites on one team with 15 roster spots? Perhaps we should contact the Southern Poverty Law Center or have the ADL file a suit against Larry Bird?

    Also, you seemed to have missed my point, again? Will David Kahn (who is likely Jewish) be called out by the media for having too many whites in Minnesota, like Bird was? Don't forget, the Wolves haven't had a winning record in years and last season was no different. My guess is Kahn WILL NOT be called out, because him and Bird are "different". That just the way it is. Don't believe this, check the Mets situation back in 2009 when the NY media doted all over Dominican GM Omar Minaya, until he attempted to humiliate writer Adam Rubin. Right after Minaya went after Rubin (Tony Bernazard incident), it seemed the NYC media did a quick 180 and wanted Omar fired. He only lasted that season, and was sent packing. Basically, he picked on the wrong "type" of writer. Next time he should only browbeat writers who's names end in a vowel, perhaps?
     
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    Here is a very exciting article about how basketball is growing in popularity in Russia. They also discuss how the Twolves are the team to watch as they are a european team. This kind of thing gives me hope that someday we will see many more great players from this beautiful nation. The Timberwolves are going to be the team to watch and they may end up being as popular as Birds Celtics were back in the 80's if they can establish some success. Here is the link to the article.

    http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/new-era-kirilenko-shved
     

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