2011 Oakland Raiders

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  1. backrow

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    after their loss of Zach Miller to Seahawks, Raiders signed Kevin Boss

    Raiders signed TE Kevin Boss to a four-year, $16 million contract.

    It's a rare quality signing for the Raiders. Although Boss isn't quite the pass-catcher that Zach Miller is, he has turned himself into an elite blocker. In Oakland, Boss will be asked to run more routes to compensate for the Raiders' unreliable receiving corps. Still only 27, Boss figures to top his previous career high of 42 catches back in 2009. There's TE2 value here.
     
  2. whiteathlete33

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    Who but Al Davis????:icon_mad:

    [h=2]Raiders select Pryor in supplemental draft, but what will he do for them?
    [/h]By Doug Farrar
    [​IMG]After his five-game suspension from Ohio State for receiving impermissible benefits, eventual departure from the school, and entry into the supplemental draft, quarterback Terrelle Pryor was selected by the Oakland Raiders in the third round of the supplemental draft. Pryor will serve a five-game suspension handed down by the NFL as a condition of his entry into this year's draft — the same number of games he would have missed at Ohio State.
    Per the terms of the suspension (which he may appeal to reduce), Pryor could play in the preseason, though he can only visit the team's facility during the suspension — he can't practice and he will not be placed on the Raiders' active roster until Week 6.
    Per the NFL's rules, the Raiders will forfeit their third-round pick in 2012 because of where they selected Pryor.
    The selection process, which takes place annually if there are players involved that year, is a way for players ineligible for the April draft for whatever reason to enter the NFL in their first year of eligibility. Other players taken in the supplemental draft through the years who have succeeded to varying degrees in the NFL include quarterbacks Bernie Kosar and Dave Brown, receiver Cris Carter, receiver Rob Moore, and nose tackle Jamal Williams(notes). But there's a linebacker Brian Bosworth, or quarterbacks Timm Rosenbach and Steve Walsh, for every supplemental draft pick who climbs the ladder.
    In that way, it's very much like the "regular" NFL draft. For every hit, there's at least one bust. Pryor was the only player taken in this year's supplemental draft.
    For Pryor, the success chances are more complex. He's a terrific athlete — he ran a 4.41 40-yard dash at his Pro Day last week, and at 6-foot-6 and 240 pounds, there's been some talk about making him into a bigger receiver or receiving tight end. Pryor has said that he'll play wherever he's needed from a positional standpoint, which may save his NFL career.
    As a pure quarterback, there's a lot of work to be done. Even as the NFL has met the spread offense halfway in the last few years, the offense that Pryor ran at Ohio State simply wasn't complex enough to give any sort of headstart at the NFL level. And even mobile option-style NFL quarterbacks like Michael Vick(notes), Vince Young(notes), Cam Newton and Tim Tebow(notes) have to assimilate elements of those offenses if they are ever to succeed at the highest level.
    Through three seasons, Pryor completed 477 passes in 783 attempts (a 60.9 completion percentage) for 6,177 yards, 57 touchdowns with 26 interceptions. He also rushed 436 times for 2,164 yards (a 5.0 per carry average) and 17 touchdowns.
    Pryor often benefited from defenses adjusting to the run. He threw deep to a lot of zone-busting receivers at Ohio State, but there isn't enough evidence of his ability to consistently throw into tight windows. He also throws off balance a lot when he's moving, which leads to passes that could be intercepted.
    He has decent arm strength, though the fact that it isn't spectacular in a Cam Newton sense could be a problem over time. Pryor is still working on the touch required for a standard NFL system; most throws are either on a rope or floating too long with an exaggerated "touch" concept to make up for the real touch he doesn't have yet. His short passes tend to flutter, and his setup for such passes is still exaggerated.
    Unlike some spread offense quarterbacks, he onlyhas a little hitch in his throwing motion -- it's not a major impediment. Other mechanics are a major issue. He rolls a lot to his left and requires too much time to set his feet when he stops to throw. He tends to need to stop and plant; the motion to set and throw doesn't look and feel natural just yet. Pryor will stand flat-footed when throwing instead of using a more natural through-motion. He's pretty indiscriminate when it comes to throwing off his back foot, especially when he's on the run, and many of the resulting throws won't make the cut in the NFL — even the intermediate passes tend to flutter and wobble.
    Where Pryor may struggle the most is that he is a single-read passer for the most part; he is clearly set to predetermine a fairly simple set of route concepts and take off if whatever's out there isn't to his liking. That just isn't good enough for the NFL, which requires quarterbacks to read and run through route concepts. He didn't perform in a complex offense, and many of his successful passes were based on keeping defenses on a string with his running ability.
    Of course, Pryor's best on the run.He uses breakaway speed to make something out of nothing when a play has broken down. Tremendous second-level burst and agility. He's especially dangerous when running counter and play-action. As a runner, he gets outside the tackles in a hurry, accelerates past second-level defenders, and squares his shoulders quickly to get upfield. He is much better throwing when he's rolling right; Pryor keeps his eyes downfield and understands timing. On motion throws to his left, his mechanics slow down and get rickety.
    Pryor's not an integrated package as a quarterback just yet; he really could have used that extra time in college. But here is where we are, and the fact that he's going to a team that seems to always value speed above all else — including football acumen and advanced schematic development — makes one wonder if he won't see the field somehow in the preseason.
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  3. jaxvid

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    Let me translate that for you:
    speed = black,
    lacks football acumen and advanced schematic development = stupid

    caste-speak for blacks is almost as bad as it is for white guys!
     
  4. northwinds

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    He's gonna be the backup to Jamarcus Russell.....LMAO at Al Davis and the Raiders. They were my favorite team to watch back in the '70s with Bilinekoff, Stabler and others....and just think....back then they were a good team.....now, not so much.
     
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    hey northwinds, did you hear Buck and Kincade talking about this on the radio today? One of them made a bet that Pryor would end up being better than Russell. The other wasn't so sure. The whole thing is laughable if it weren't for the fact that White players with more than enough talent to wipe these clowns off the roster are being ignored by the NFL.
     
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    Russell has been out of the league for over a year, thankfully!

    PS here's what i found on him, straightfrom where are you now column haha:

    "In April 2011, Lucas (his "life" coach and trainer, who had become frustrated with Russell's lack of work ethic, reportedly severed all ties with the quarterback and asked him to leave the Houston area.[SUP][42][/SUP]
    In August 2011, it was reported that Russell would re-enroll at LSU in an effort to graduate with a Bachelor's degree."
     
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    Interesting news there, backrow. Thanks for sharing it with us. In a way, Russell's story reminds me of a twisted black version of "Everybody's All American."
     
  8. whiteathlete33

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    This is just too much for me. This afflete caught a whopping 9 balls his rookie season as a starter. Last season he only caught 26. Now this from Weenieworld.

    According to Sports Illustrated's Jim Trotter, Darrius Heyward-Bey is "showing that he might actually make contributions this year."



    The Raiders have sent the stone-handed Heyward-Bey on fewer deep routes in camp, and he's "responding positively" to short and intermediate patterns. Trotter's report comes on the heels of last week's comments from HC Hue Jackson, who said DHB has been "catching the ball when we throw it to him." Perhaps the switch is finally starting to flip for the 2009 first-round pick, but we doubt it. Jacoby Ford and Denarius Moore are Oakland's best options at receiver.

    At least they acknowledge he has hands of stone. Finally starting to get it huh? So we can expect the supa dupa afflete to take around five seasons to show some talent. Any white player would have been out of the league by now for putting up those horrendous numbers. A black player? He's still a starter. I love how Jackson says he's "catching the ball when we throw it to him." Isn't that what they are supposed to do?
     
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    It looks like Al Davis has found himself another genius.
    According to Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Raiders rookie Terrelle Pryor scored a 7 on the Wonderlic test.

    Pryor presumably took the Wonderlic in preparation for the supplemental draft. 7 is Vince Young territory; V.Y. scored a six in 2006 before allegedly retaking the same exact test with the same questions and improving to a 16. The Wonderlic is not an indication of future success, but may be notable for a quarterback who's still considered extremely raw after 35 college starts.
     
  10. Don Wassall

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    lol, and Pryor's pretty much a thug to boot, an ideal combination for today's NFL.
     
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    As we all know Don, Al Davis drafts players based on how fast they run. I guess his 40 time was too much for the bonehead Davis to resist. That's why his team sucks and he has possibly the worst starting receiver ever in Darius Heyward-Bey. He probably thinks Pryor can be the successor to Campbell in a few years.
     
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    Crissie Collinsworth was repeatedly oohing and aahing about Oakland's "speed" on Sunday night while Drew Brees and the Saints carved them up. The Raiders have had the worst record in the NFL since they went to the Super Bowl after the '02 season. That's pretty compelling evidence that football is about a lot more than straight-line speed (along with mountains of other evidence), but the DWFs are so thoroughly trained to think that speed's the only thing that matters -- and that only blacks have it -- that it's practically impossible for them to see through the Caste System's false paradigms.
     
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    The QB has to be the leader of the football team, and how can he lead when he is looking for someone to lead him. In other words how many great black generals have their been in history or military strategist that were black. None that I know of, and that is what the black is lacking. That and the abilty to stay in the pocket, and complete passes while in the line of fire. How many great black pocket passers have their been, and do we have now. Their has been one Warren Moon, but even he was scared, and ran alot at 1st. I would not even call him great, but very good. After him no one else even comes close. Their instinct is to run when threatened, and that does not make for a great or even good pocket passer. I am not knocking them, but how many of them get sacked while in the pocket trying to find an open reciever? It almost never happens they either get caught out of the pocket or some where on the other side of the field. So the point being they are not, and will never be good NFL QB's sure they have dog killa, and a few other affirmative action starters, but they will never equal the success of the white QB. My father tells me about Dan Marino, and I did watch some of him games at the end of his career. He could not run, but boy could he pass that damn ball, and isn't that what the QB is supposed to do to win the game. If your QB is your leading rusher then he is either undisciplined or scared as hell to be in the line of fire which we whites call the pocket. It is my opinion the the flight or fight instinct in blacks keeps them from being effective QB's in the pro's because they are programmed to run away from trouble. Where we as whites are programmed to stand our ground, and fight until the death.
     
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    Nice post Whitepower, I like the way you compared QB's to military generals. Although you are correct in saying great white QB's are programmed to stay in and fight, they, the great ones understand one basic fundamental rule, that is, throwing the ball is faster than anyones legs. And although their have been some great white scrambling QB's, (Tarkenton, Staubach my favorite, Young, etc.), QB's like, Montana, Bradshaw, Brady, Manning, etc., all have the mettle to stay in the pocket and delivering a strike to a receiver is the quickest and most efficient way to to move the ball.
     
  15. Drunkjewishfan

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    Collin Powell maybe???
     
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    My comment had nothing to do with black generals (Collin Powell). I was talking about QB's and Generals period!

    But because you mentioned C. Powell, wasn't he the General who turned on the Republican Party and sided with Obama? The same Racist Republican Party that helped elevate him to Chairman of The Joint Chief of Staff? I could be wrong?

    Just wondering?
     
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    Im not really into politics. I thought Powell was a General who happened to be black. Warren Moon was a pretty good leader on the field though.
     
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    McFadden ruled out for Oakland's next game.
    I wonder when the sports media is going to treat him the same way they treat Hillis. Can you imagine a journalist writing something like this about an afflete?

     
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    Another of the NFL's finest doing his thang, this one an over-rated first round bust:

    CSN Bay Area reports Raiders MLB Rolando McClain has been arrested in connection with a Wednesday evening shooting in his hometown of Decatur, Ala. McClain is accused of both firing his weapon and holding it to another man's head. He has been charged with discharging a firearm within city limits, third degree assault, menacing and reckless endangerment. He remains in custody. Obviously, his status for Sunday's game against the Dolphins is now in severe doubt, while it's possible he's played his final down this season. Stay tuned.
     
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    Yes, I remember when ESPN sent their cameras to Alabama to get Rolando McClain's reaction to being drafted? Perhaps they knew he would have his blonde mudshark (just like LeGarrett Blount did in 2010) at his side, so it was an absolutely perfect spot for Chris "Boiman", Mel Kosher Jr. and the other Marxist clowns to gush like schoolgirls over this slow, overrated race-mixing slug and dump all over the American sheeple with this footage:

    Draft video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvj1eDfaIO4


    Who would've ever believed this fine, upstanding, budding "Uncle Tom" could be so rude to house guests? Think his career will end after this incident or even his season? Is it worse than Matt Jones drinking a beer during a golf outing?
     
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    I saw a blurb that says Suh was involved in a one-car crash in Portland, Ore. yesterday. McClain's shooting incident took place in Alabama. Aren't there supposed to be team practices and film study sessions all week long? What were these thugs doing halfway across the country from where their teams are based in the middle of the week? Don't these modern "plantation slaves" have to practice, even during the short NFL regular season??
     
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    McClain wasn't charged with a felony which is ludicrous. I don't know a single white person who could hold a gun to someones head and be charged with a misdemeanor. I expect McClain to possibly get probation or have the charges dropped entirely. Nothing like being a black athlete in the US where you can commit crimes and still keep your career perfectly intact. BTW, isn't this the guy that ran a 5 second forty?
     
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    Suh's off the team for two weeks, not sure if he got time off or whether while suspended he can't even practice with the team. regardless, his was a simple crash and he wasn't impaired, according to the news. seems like he was simply driving too fast, moron.

    McClain should get kicked off the team. but then again, he is no Matt Jones. Ray Lewis' rule, let's call it.
     
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    crashed because of road rage
     

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