2011 NFL Draft

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  1. celticdb15

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    The NFL chose to ignore many stellar athletes at the LB position. The tackling number Lutrus, Bellore, Berning, and Herzlich all had should be enough for them to be drafted. Wujciak is another guy who simply was a tackling machine at all black Maryland. Jeff Tarpinian out of Iowa is another underrated prospect. Not to mention DEMarc Schiechl and DTBlaine Sumner are two other athletic stand outs from D2 that were ignored.
     
  2. celticdb15

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    It really is dissapointing, I feel like the NFL is giving every white LB the Bobby Carpenter death tag[​IMG]treatment, In automatically lumpingtogether every white LBjust because the players are white! Do they not watch film??? These guys are good enough to be playing in the NFL. Hell by todays "scouting" standards half of our white LB'sin the HOF(Lambert,Nitschke, Butkus)would never haveevenbeen drafted.
     
  3. whiteathlete33

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    Neither of these two guys, Ridley and Vereen, is anything special. Ridley is a bigger back at 225lbs but only has 4.66 speed. Imagine that, and he still got drafted. Vereen has 4.5 speed so Woodhead is still by far the most explosive back on the Pats roster. As someone else mentioned Ridley will most likely cut into Law Firm's carries. Woodhead should still see the same amount of touches this season
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  4. whiteathlete33

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    Thanks for pointing that out Jack. They don't list the round projects yet on that site but 35 is usually well out of drafting range.
     
  5. cynicaloptimist

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    2011 NFL Draft Demographics:












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    9 of 12 QBs</span></font>

    </font>0 of 25 RBs</span></font>

    </font>4 of 6 FBs</span></font>

    </font>3 of 29 WRs</span></font>

    </font>5 of 11 TEs</span></font>

    </font>4 of 19 OT</span></font>

    </font>10 of 16 G</span></font>

    </font>3 of 5 C</span></font>

    </font>5 of 22 DEs</span></font>

    </font>2 of 20 DTs</span></font>

    </font>4 of 24 OLBs</span></font>

    </font>4 of 10 MLBs</span></font>

    </font>0 of 34 CBs</span></font>

    </font>2 of 11 FS</span></font>

    </font>2 of 7 SS</span></font>

    </font>1 of 1 K</span></font>

    </font>1 of 1 P</span></font>
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    59 of 254 = 23%</span></font>

    1<sup>st</sup> â€" 3<sup>rd</sup> rounds: 16 of
    97 = 16.5%</span>
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    </font>4<sup>th</sup> â€" 7<sup>th</sup> rounds: 43 of
    157 = 27%</span>
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    </font></span></font>Complete List of Players Drafted:</span></font>
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    8. QB Jake Locker â€" Titans</span></font>

    10. QB Blaine Gabbert â€" Jags</span></font>

    11. DE JJ Watt â€" Texans</span></font>

    12. QB Christian Ponder â€" Vikings</span></font>

    16. DE Ryan Kerrigan â€" Redskins</span></font>

    17. OT Nate Solder â€" Patriots</span></font>

    22. OT Anthony Castonzo â€" Colts</span></font>

    23. G Danny Watkins â€" Eagles</span></font>

    29. OT Gabe Carimi â€" Bears
    </span>(9 of 32)</span></font>

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    35. QB Andy Dalton â€" Bengals</span></font>

    42. OLB Brooks Reed â€" Texans</span></font>

    43. TE Kyle Rudolph â€" Vikings</span></font>

    48. C Stefen Wisniewski â€" Raiders
    </span>(4 of 32)</span></font>

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    3)</span></font>

    74. QB Ryan Mallett â€" Patriots</span></font>

    75. G John Moffitt â€" Seahawks</span></font>

    93. FS Chris Conte â€" Bears
    </span>(3 of 33)</span></font>

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    4)</span></font>

    101. G Clint Boling â€" Bengals</span></font>

    102. TE Jordan Cameron â€" Browns</span></font>

    104. TE Luke Stocker â€" Bucs</span></font>

    107. WR Kris Durham â€" Seahawks</span></font>

    109. MLB Colin McCarthy â€" Titans</span></font>

    110. G David Arkin â€" Cowboys</span></font>

    116. MLB Casey Matthews â€" Eagles</span></font>

    120. K Alex Henery â€" Eagles</span></font>

    121. FS Chris Prosinski â€" Jags</span></font>

    124. FB Owen Marecic â€" Browns
    </span>(10 of 34)</span></font>

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    5)</span></font>

    135. QB Ricky Stanzi â€" Chiefs</span></font>

    136. FB Anthony Sherman â€" Cardinals</span></font>

    140. DE Gabe Miller â€" Chiefs</span></font>

    142. DE Karl Klug â€" Titans</span></font>

    152. QB T.J. Yates â€" Texans</span></font>

    159. TE Lee Smith â€" Patriots</span></font>

    160. QB Nathan Enderle â€" Bears</span></font>

    163. G Daniel Kilgore â€" 49ers </span></span>(8
    of 34)
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    6)</span></font>

    167. WR Ryan Whalen â€" Bengals</span></font>

    169. MLB Chris White â€" Bills</span></font>

    172. C Brandon Fusco â€" Vikings</span></font>

    179. G Caleb Schlauderaff â€" Packers</span></font>

    189. MLB Mike Mohamed â€" Broncos</span></font>

    190. SS Colin Jones â€" 49ers</span></font>

    191. G Jason Kelce â€" Eagles</span></font>

    192. P Matt Bosher â€" Eagles</span></font>

    197. DE Ricky Elmore â€" Packers</span></font>

    198. SS Tyler Sash â€" Giants</span></font>

    200. OLB Ross Homan â€" Vikings</span></font>

    201. G Stephen Schilling â€" Chargers </span>(12 of 38)</span></font>

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    7)</span></font>

    208. QB Greg McElroy â€" Jets</span></font>

    210. G Andrew Jackson â€" Falcons</span></font>

    211. OLB Bruce Miller â€" 49ers</span></font>

    212. DT Zach Clayton â€" Titans</span></font>

    218. TE Ryan Taylor â€" Packers</span></font>

    220. FB Shaun Chapas â€" Cowboys</span></font>

    223. FB Shane Bannon â€" Chiefs</span></font>

    227. WR Scotty McKnight â€" Jets</span></font>

    234. OLB Andrew Gachkar â€" Chargers</span></font>

    239. G Mike Person â€" 49ers</span></font>

    244. OT Lee Ziemba â€" Panthers</span></font>

    252. G Bill Nagy â€" Cowboys</span></font>

    253. DT Chris Neild â€" Redskins
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  6. whiteathlete33

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    Thanks for this list Cynicaloptimist! I had 22 % but I didn't count Bruce Miller.
     
  7. Don Wassall

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    4 out of 19 OTs is what sticks out the most to me. Ouch! But well done compilation. [​IMG]
     
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    That list is the caste system in bold type. Look at the racial breakdown by position. Complete and unrelenting stereotypes at each spot. The draft replicates the actual roster depth charts to a tee. No variation. It's no wonder the draft percentages white/black haven't changed in years. It'a almost as if the numbers are fixed. Amazing example of complete and utter brainwashing of each team and front office. Wow. It couldn't be any more rigidly enforced if they handed out a script to each GM. No wonder so many see a far ranging conspiracy.
     
  9. Colonel_Reb

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    Very informative post, cynicaloptimist! Those numbers are disappointing.
     
  10. Jimmy Chitwood

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    thanks for the compilation, cynicaloptimist. it's well done, and the truth becomesclearly obvious when looking at such plain black and white figures.
     
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    Don Wassall is right. 4 of 19 OTs is most ridiculous! The whole thing literally makes me want to vomit.[​IMG]
     
  12. celticdb15

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    DD.comment: It's sort of weird that Tyron Smith just went #9 overall as an 'elite left tackle prospect', when the fact of the matter is he only played right tackle because his head coach at U.S.C. (who is an ex-N.F.L. head coach/offensive guru) either deemed him incapable of protecting Matt Barkley's blind-side (a right-handed QB) or figured Matt Kalil was a better player. But in the ranking above, Kalil, who did excel at left tackle (protecting Barkley's blind side), isn't even in the top 20 for next season. Does this make any sense at all?

    Our response at castefootball, it is because Tyron Smith is black. Plain and simple.
     
  13. Don Wassall

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    Nice to see DraftDaddy writing some subtle but telling comments again of late. That site went too quiet there for quite a while.

    Everyone who sees the 800 pound gorilla in the room that the corporate media feeds while pretending it isn't there needs to intensify their efforts to keep pointing out obvious things in whatever manner best suits them.

    I'll bet more than a few of the White athletes snubbed in the draft are fuming mad right now, as they should be, more than in the past because the realization that there is affirmative action in sports just as there is in every other facet of America life -- and in the case of football an extremist form of it -- is slowly starting to sink in to more and more minds that previously would have rejected the idea out of hand.
     
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    Not only that but Tyron Smith was 280 pounds when playing last year. I guess they werent comfortable with a with a white guy being the top left tackle when they have been trying to pound it into our heads that whites just arent athletic enough to protect a quarterbacks blind side. If you look at the few white tackles taken, 3 were in the first round. That shows how much better are than their black counterparts. Of course most were considered "most NFL ready but no upside".
    Those 3 will probably be the top in the league in a few years while the rest will be backups or out of the league. I haven't seen Ziemba but he might develop into a good backup that is capable of starting. Zach Strief was picked in the 7th, has shown time and time again that he can play at a high level when put in because of injury, but stuck as a backup. They say its because "hes the only guy that can back up both the LT and RT spots."

    Tyron Smith is going to get manhandled with the Cowboys. I think this is why the Redskins made a surprising move in drafting Kerrigan, he will throw him around like a rag doll. Kerrigan is used to going against strong big 10 linemen, he will have no problem with Smith.
     
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    The surprising thing is that McKnight got drafted and Maehl/Sanzenbacher weren't. McKnight was good enough to be picked in the 7th round and I am glad he was, but Maehl and Sanzenbacher were much better than him. Its kind like last year when Blair White went undrafted but Tim Toone was. I don't understand the reasoning behind it. Its not like Rex Ryan will use McKnight though. I would say both are better than Whalen as well, although Whalen deserves to get a shot in the league and will excel if given a chance.

    34 cornerbacks taken. That tells you how horrible the cornerback play in the league is. Looks like the Texans were the smartest, they invested in pass rushers first knowing that the corners they took probably wouldn't be much of an upgrade, hoping that they can cover for a few seconds while the front 7 get a good pass rush. It would be nice to see what Eric Weddle could do at Corner. Another guy that I think can play corner if given a chance is Prosinski, he looks very fluid in coverage to go along with his straight line speed.
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  16. Leonardfan

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    It looks like 2012 could potentially be a very bad year. The QB class is pretty good but honestly no other position besides OT has much at all and more than likely alot of these great OTs will be either made Right Tackles or moved to guard in the pros because they are not "athletic" enough to play LT.
     
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    Another thing that strikes me is the lack of outside linebackers. Only 4 out of 24! Whites supposedly don't have the athleticism to play on the outside and of course the middle is for "overachievers" with "non stop motors."
     
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    I took a look at Sports Illustrated's site for the 2011 draft. I found a couple of receivers who I am sure have been mentioned on this site before, but rarely. Eric Greenwood is a huge receiver(6'6) out of Idaho that has a slight chance of being drafted. Also Graham Zug is another one who had an outside chance of being drafted. Both guys run in the 4.6 range. Anyone familiar with them?

    As far as white runningbacks, SI only has two listed in their top players, Kyle Minnett and Chase Reynolds. Neither was drafted but Reynolds definitely has NFL potential. Reynolds has 4.55 speed while Minnett is listed as having 4.76 speed.

    Also, Cynicaloptomist, one correction to your list, 6 white offensive tackles were drafted. Carimi, Costanzo, Soler, Person, Boling, and Ziemba.

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  19. ToughJ.Riggins

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    I have watched Kyle Minnett before in a game and also on dwid's video. He could handle a NFL team's (that lacks RB depth) 3rd or 4th RB role, but is really a fringe NFL RB based on his credentials and athleticism and would have to prove special team value to get a shot (even if black).

    Chase Reynolds could be the real deal. Best case scenario he could be like Ahmad Bradshaw and worse case Steve Slaton. He'd make a great 1-2 RB to split carries in a dual threat backfield.

    There are 3 other RBs that could find a spot as a 3rd or 4th RB on an NFL roster based on their potential, production, skill etc. with a great training camp and pre-season.

    Some of these guys are more talented than the ranking I would give them because they got screwed either by coaches, injuries or the recruiting process. You guys know the deal.

    1. Dan Dierking
    2. Angelo Babbaro
    3. John Goebel

    Chase Reynolds, and I'd predict at least one of the following other guys mentioned- would be in a team training camp (based on a team's draft preference, chance- and their credentials) if they simply had darker skin.
     

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