2011 NFL Draft

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  1. foobar75

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    According to this page, 7 of the top 10 UDFA candidates are White, led by Jeff Maehl. I'd include Sanzenbacher on that list as well.

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  2. whiteathlete33

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    Can anyone tell me when was the last time they even tried to convert a black defensive end to fullback? This is just ludicrous.
     
  3. Deadlift

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    Stop the presses.. On "Sportscenter Special" where they gave every team "draft grades".. they then had a Best Undrafted Player segment, and out of the 3 players Kiper named, 2 were White! Henry Hynoski and Dane Sanzenbacher. The black player was V-Tech's Darren Evans.
     
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    And all he did was tackle "real athletes"... those guys with the loose hips! Weird? Same for Nick Bellore.

    Imagine what they could accomplish if they had "real" athleticism and actual football ability?
     
  6. Freethinker

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    Man, that line-backing unit would be a heck of a good one. Bellore, Herzlich, Lutrus and Wujciak all seem to lack athleticism (read black skin) according to Rivals. What a surprise. These guys will have a tough path ahead going the UDFA route. We'll be fortunate if even 1 of them makes it and has a successful career and that is a shame.
     
  7. icsept

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    IMO, Jeff Maehl going undrafted was the biggest disappointment. He performed off the charts in the 3 cone drill(combine record) and short shuttle at the combine. He was considered the best all around athlete on the 2nd best team in the nation. His college productivity was excellent and he was consistently making plays. Apparently, Maehl was considered too skinny at 6'1 190 lbs. I'm pretty sure there is a long list of affletes in the league at 190 lbs or less. I would really like to see Maehl in the league.
     
  8. snow

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    Percy Harvin is 184 at 5'11, which is kind of who Maehl reminded me of, with a little less top end speed. His agility also reminded me of Eric Peterman who was screwed, he didn't have the hands of Maehl, he was more of a body catcher, but there are tons of receivers in the NFL with worse. Cobb who we were just talking about in the Jordy thread, is 188 pounds at 5'11


    The UFL is looking to snatch up some of these undrafted players with the lockout, the draft is tonight. I wouldn't blame them if they went and played, the season would be over in October. We don't even know if there will NFL games by October. So I say, go get the experience and they still have the same chance of getting a real chance in the NFL once the season is done.
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  9. white is right

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    The Fridge and Guy Mcintyre(he played guard). Obviously both were more gimmick fullbacks. Also I think Warren Sapp lined up as fullback for some gadget plays in Tampa near the end of his run there. Edited by: white is right
     
  10. qj

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    Because I wanted to see Hass play, I watched several UFL games last year on the net. It looked like NFL-lite in my opinion. Hass was relegated to 3 or 4th receiver while Darling and Ferguson (black WR's) got targeted the vast majority of the time by Garcia. Both of these guys were drop machines while Hass did well when he was targeted. As usual, Hass was almost always open and seemed to get behind the DB's routinely, but he was not targeted very often by Garcia. After a while, the other teams adjusted and started picking off Garcia's passes left and right. From what I saw, it looked like the UFL just wants to be a mini-version of the (black) NFL. Hopefully, guys like Hass and Maehl will get to catch a few balls in the UFL next season. Not holding my breath.
     
  11. whiteathlete33

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    Overall this draft was another disappointment. The lack of white running backs and receivers really ticked me off but it's like that almost every year. Next year looks even more disappointing in regards to white receivers with some mocks having zero drafted.

    A few positive things from this draft are Locker and Gabbert. Both are very athletic and it looks like they'll be able to play the quarterback position. They will give us a couple of very serious dual threat quarterbacks. Watt and Kerrigan going very early was nice to see as well.
     
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    What are the sites that are already conducting complete seven round mock drafts for 2012? Seems to me that's well beyond being obsessed.
     
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  14. Riddlewire

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    The UFL draft has started.
    Not exactly 'up to the minute' coverage available anywhere.

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  15. Don Wassall

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    Moye is mixed. But I would imaginean "overachiever" or two or three at WR will be taken on the third day of the draft a year from now. Anyone who mocks a complete draft now is an idiot, evenmore so than the averageCaste clown.
     
  16. Jack Lambert

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    WA33, you missed Keith Nicol, Michigan State's WR, at 35.
     
  17. Colonel_Reb

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    The UFL draft has gone through 2 rounds (10 players) already and 3 of them are White, QB Ryan Colburn (Fresno State to Sacramento)-3rd; OT Joel Bell (Furman to Las Vegas)-5th; and DE Jamie Cumbie (Clemson to Omaha)-7th.
     
  18. snow

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    Eric Peterman drafted to the UFL, to Las Vegas, hopefully they let him showcase his freakish athleticism
     
  19. ToughJ.Riggins

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    Sorry for the long post, I don't post as frequently and have a lot of great advice to give:
    I heard snow mention the PTB should worry about quality over quantity with black QBs. We all know that the agenda at hand from the CMs- wants to inflate black QB numbers up toward 50% (or more) in the NFL.

    Considering what we are up against, I suggest that more of us make an effort to respond in comment sections below articles and on message boards to fight for OUR QUALITY over quantity hand picked players that have been snubbed by the draft process this year. It's a three pronged argument of comparisons of white snubs to black draftees, (ie. film breakdown, production, measureables). We now have great white RBs to compare our guys to as well to strengthen our points.

    Considering I'm a wealth of knowledge of the RB and WR positions these are the 4 players I think we should be making a concerted effort to create buzz for:

    RB:
    1. Chase Reynolds (as an FCS player, probably would have been a day three pick if black- if not, than a very highly coveted UDFA. With his short area quickness, hands and toughness for his size, he'd probably find a roster spot by proving himself in training camp and the pre-season if black)

    WR:
    1. Jeff Maehl (should have been drafted anywhere from the top of the 2nd round to end of the 3rd round...his agility measurables and route running are ridiculously good, he even showed he can get downfield for long catches at times last year- ala the BCS championship game. He can play the slot or be a great #2 outside WR)

    2. Dane Sanzenbacher (should have been a 3rd or 4th round pick, he's a slightly poorer version of Maehl)

    3. Tyler Beiler (According to JC, arguably the top small school WR out there. His elite measureables and production in the lower levels warrent a look...probably would have been drafted with a day three pick if black, although I've never seen him play so don't know for sure.)

    Hopefully some of you other guys can make a TE list, a DL list, a LB list and a DB list!
     
  20. ToughJ.Riggins

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    I disagree that there is a strict 30% white quota league wide. I would say it has to do with the individual franchises fear of being attacked by DWFs and cultural Marxists like Matthew J. Darnell and the rest of the Yahooligan/ WhiteRivals "journalist" gang. There have been some teams like the Colts and Packers recently that have gotten VERY close to having a majority white roster, but probably sensed the backlash that could come and started to blacken a bit. A majority white roster happened as recently as the early 90s with the Bills.

    There are also EXTREMIST franchises like the Steelers that desire to only have 5-7 white men on the 53 man roster and all at stereotypical white positions.

    We must expect that with a few more white WRs, RBs, Defensive Lineman, LBs and Safeties getting a look that QB and OL is going to blacken a bit. In the NBA the Pacers were accused of white favourtism for having 6 out of 13 white players. In the NFL I'd predict the accusations of racism would come if a team fielded a team with 27 whites on the roster, (we already heard some accusations against the Patriots majority white offense that is still majority black at WR and RB and almost coal black on defense). Even if that team won the Superbowl Matthew J. Darnell and our other enemies would find a way to brainwash some of the more ignorant DWFs.

    So what say you guys on starting a movement to create buzz for our top snubbed players

    Btw that doesn't count guys like Luke Lippincott (I should have ranked him between the 25th-35th best RB last year. We have to fight for our guys that can put a dent in the caste system by making an IMPACT!
     
  21. bigunreal

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    TJR,

    I respect your views, and appreciate the work you put into your posts. However, as a dreaded "conspiracy theorist," I don't believe that 30% figure is coincidental. The law of averages would dictate that a team or two, over the past twenty years, would have strayed into the forbidden zone of 30 or more whites on their roster.

    But then again, I tend to see most everything as a conspiracy.
     
  22. Riddlewire

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    Do players have to 'enter' the UFL draft? Or do the teams just pick whomever they want? Because, if it's the former, Jeff Maehl and Mark Herzlich have just ended their NFL careers. They were selected #51 and #52 overall (dead last, as it so happens). If they sign to play with those teams, they have to finish out the entire UFL season. They can't 'jump ship' to the NFL as soon as NFL UDFA season opens back up. And everyone here should realize that if they miss out on any of this season in the NFL, they will be forgotten about forever.
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  23. celticdb15

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    Yeah but I see that the UFL season ends in October, so technically these guys, if they only sign one year contracts theycould try and get picked up by a NFLteam mid season... I'd like to see both Herzlich and Maehl do it, just because I think they could tear it up.
     
  24. snow

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    I think they are just hoping these guys will sign contracts, thats why the players that have a better chance to play in the NFL were selected later and Johnson was selected number 1, because hes not going anywhere.
     
  25. sport historian

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    It doesn't require a "conspiracy" for things to happen a certain way. We are ruled the way we are because both political parties are in agreement on most things. In pro football, the teams prefer black players at most positions. This is a concensus. They don't have to "conspire" with each other.
     

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